Currently PayPal is the only payment method available for the HubPages Ad Program.
In most countries, PayPal can only be used to send money. Funds in the PayPal account cannot be withdrawn by the PayPal account holders in those countries. In certain countries, PayPal cannot be used at all.
HubPages, why don't you include alternative payment methods such as AlertPay and Moneybookers (to be rebranded as Skrill) in addition to PayPal so that Hubbers can select a payment method which is available in their own countries.
I agree as many hubbers are having a hard time figuring how to get paid when they reach payout level. They could also send a check which some hubbers might also appreciate.
What a good idea. I would recommend also e-mailing firstname.lastname@example.org and let them know your thoughts.
Btw i don't know how alert pay works but since its online the same as paypal I guess it should be easier to accomplish than paper checks
The one payment option has been the reason most of us decided to ignore the HP Ad program.
I doubt that "most" Hubbers ignore the HP Ad program, because most Hubbers are from the US and they can all receive Paypal payments.
I would be interested to know how many successful Hubbers are from countries which don't allow Paypal payments. My guess is that it's a small minority of the membership. I doubt HubPages would be interested in adding more administration by offering alternative payments methods for a minority.
If HP ignores the need for hubbers from other countries because they are minority then that is certainly not fair. Then I would suggest not signing up members from countries that don't have paypal as an option. That would allow them to seek membership elsewhere. Once HP decides that all persons are welcome to join regardless of location then the right thing to do would be to ensure that every one is treated fairly and have the opportunity to earn.
This is my oipnion people so please no attacks (I know you wouldn't attack me Marisa , talking about other hubbers)
Edit: Maybe a better screening process should be in place where the hubbers fill out a short questionnaire with their payment options information. Then the hubber would know up front what the options are and they could decide if they want to join or not. Then people wouldn't be so frustrated after they join, to find out they cannot join in the ad program due to payment issues.
Haha, I doubt anyone would attack that statement. It's true, Marisa you did say not many from paypal non-supportive countries are successful. That may or may not be true (mostly it is); but, have you ever considered why? I'm not saying its just you, I just thought about it myself. I guess its because even if they were successful at the beginning they may have given up and gone to greener pastures (in terms of places where they get paid easily).
Of course the HP Ad Program is unique and I doubt any other site has something like that - forgive me if I'm wrong as I'm a bit ignorant regarding other sites and I just know about the kinda famous ones.
For most hubbers, getting readers and a bit of cash pushes them on to write more, that's what makes people successful. But, if you're not going to get anything out of it people may as well just give up! - that could be the reason for the lower success rate (other than language problems).
PS: - Of course they could opt for Adsense and other stuff (just like other revenue sharing sites). But, when there's something for others they too would love to be a part of it wouldn't they? I'd certainly feel bad if I didn't have paypal and I'm sure others who presently have it would too.
I hope I'm right in what I said if not please let me know but don't be harsh whoever replies
This isn't the Religion or Political forums so there's no attacking Cardisa At least I've not come across it often on these forums
Hey Brandon, I am just scared of the forums these days, that's all....lol
Most people from Asia want to earn online and if they can't on HP then you find then going to freelancing sites where they get paid writing crap, and get paid crap. But these sites do have more than one payment options. Even Adsense has more than one payment option. They have a check and the Western Union Quick Cash withdrawal.
Elance has numerous payment options too. Some of the other content sites have more than one payment options as well. All I am saying is, for a site that has over 200,000 member and is growing and expanding to the rest of the world, there should be more than one payment options.
Payoneer is an online payment system that offers a card to its members. Their service is primarily for people outside of the US. Maybe HP can implement something similar and have two payment options; one for US region and one for the rest of the world.
Ya I get your point I've seen what people do on Elance I've been there myself! I agree and I'm sure HP will surely come up with something as the world is a small place and writers from all across are now joining in.
It's not the whole of Asia but parts of it (most parts and a bit of the African countries as well) that don't allow paypal. I'm glad that we have it
I think the language barrier is definitely one of the factors. If English is not your first language, it takes years of study before you're able to write fluently enough to write for a living. Even in India and Africa, where English is a first language for many, there are differences which can sound alien to American readers and may turn them off (and American readers are our main source of income). There are also cultural differences which may mean those Hubbers choose the wrong subjects, or write about them in a way which doesn't gel with American audiences.
The other factor is that Hubbers from developing countries are often desperate for money and jump in too fast. They either never get around to learning about SEO, keyword research etc, or they listen to the get-rich-quick gurus and do all the wrong things, and thereby get themselves banned - or make no money and give up.
It may not be fair, but it is business. If you run a business, you should always apply a cost/benefit analysis to any new feature. HubPages has to ask itself, "if we offer this additional payment method, will it bring in more profitable members than it costs us to run?"
Unfortunately, the reality is that most of the countries which don't have Paypal are the very countries which produce the most spammers. So HubPages may not particularly want to encourage more members from those countries.
I know that's tough because there are many excellent Hubbers from places like India, Africa etc, but business is business. I know some rev-sharing sites that simply won't accept members from China or the Phillipines, so HubPages is at least being open.
We do have PayPal in India its the other countries around that don't support it.
Thanks Marisa, I tend to think with my heart rather than my head...lol
But come to think pf it you re right there when it comes to spam and spun content. Most of the low grade articles tend to come from these countries. I agree with you.
HubPages is a US-based, private company with investors, and they disclose any and all terms of doing business with them in their TOS which users are supposed to read before they sign up. In fact, as part of the user agreement it states that you have read the terms, understand them and agree to abide by all the rules as part of signing up to use the site. Not to mention, you agree to accept any new rules or condition changes that get added in the future and that if you don't like any of it you are free to take the content you own and leave at any time.
They are being fair.
HubPages terms and conditions you are talking about are not relevant here. This forum is published under "Report a problem or suggest a new feature". Here we have suggested HP to add a new feature.
During HubPages' evolution to the present state from humble beginings few years back, HP Team has taken in to account the suggestions by hubbers in addition to the creative ideas of the HP Team members. If no one suggested anything thinking about terms and conditions, HubPages may still be at the same position.
@ relache , No one said hubpages acting unfair.
Can't agree more. No one said that they didn't like the TOS.
Paypal isn't pal for many countries and it would be great if hubpages offer similar payment processors like alertpay which isn't just another payment processor , they are bbb accredited.
hubpages is a huge site and they will really help many members of hubpages if they offer this feature.
it's a kind request.
AlertPay is available in almost every country. Both deposit and withdrawal facilities are available in all countries but some countries more options are available in others less options. For example, following options are available:
Deposit to AlertPay Account
Localized bank transfer
Certified check/money order
Withdrawal from AlertPay Account
Localized bank transfer
Bank wire (USD, GBP and EUR only)
In Somalia and Ethiopia
Deposit to AlertPay Account
Certified check/money order
Withdrawal from AlertPay Account
Bank wire (USD, GBP and EUR only)
Moneybookers say that you can send and receive money in 200 countries. Moneybookers website say:
"Instant ATM cash out for EU residents
Transfers can be withdawn at 1.5 million ATMs worldwide with the Moneybookers prepaid MasterCard
Instant cash –access to received funds - as soon as it’s sent
No bank account needed for the recipient
Available to all residents of the EU
Fixed ATM withdrawal fee of €1.80, no ties-in nor monthly fees"
From what you've posted I guess AlertPay is better than MoneyBookers
My understanding is that Moneybookers is a more organized large international network. Whatever it is, it will be up to HubPages to see the pros and cons of all payment methods available and get themselves organized.
I think this is rather unfair for a site like HP. So because most successful hubbers are from US, they decided to ignore we minorities when they considered payment options.
It's not unfair, it's business. Think of it like this. Say you have a shop and you have 100 suppliers to pay every month. If they all accept payment through Paypal, all you have to do each month is send a list of suppliers to Paypal, and they process the payments for you.
Now you have ten suppliers who want to supply goods to you, but won't accept Paypal. Are you going to go to all the trouble of arranging a separate monthly payment just for them?
You might, if there was a shortage of good suppliers. But if there are plenty more to choose from, why would you?
Marisa, you have written here from the start, assuming that only a very few hubbers are there from outside the Europe and USA. Is it the real situation? That's what we have to see.
True that HP started the Ad Program about a year ago. From the start they can't go to all the options. Gradually they should improve. Just compare the HubPages today and HubPages three years ago. It was just like a third world country three years ago. What an improvement now! So, I think time has come now to include at least one more payment method to accommodate those hubbers. Of course HP will have to see their charges, terms and conditions and own expenses.
You make a good point there LasanthaW. As with any business, all persons involved must be considered. Maybe they aren't ready to implement but at least have it on the table as an option.
Hi Cardisa, you responded fine. I strongly agreed with you. We are all working together as a team, so we should be given consideration.
I really need other option like alertpay or moneybookers.
paypal is pain in the .....
hope admin do something about it.
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