I was speaking today to someone about punishment for kids in high-school and abo

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   Mr. Happyposted 11 years ago

   I was speaking today to someone about punishment for kids in high-school and about suspensions.
   
   Often times, when a kid is considered to have done something bad at school, a suspension is given: one or more days away from school.
   I remember I got a five day suspension once - I will not go into the details but obviously a five day suspension was given because I was considered to have done something quite bad ... At the time though, I could care less. I did not want to go to school anyway; I was skipping most of the time to begin with and so, a five day suspension was amazing: a mini-vacation. It was great ...
   
   How are suspensions considered punishment in the western school system?

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   abbykorinneleeposted 11 years ago

   My son and I were just talking about this recently when he got a one day suspension for punching back after he was hit in a fight.  I always told him that he better not start it but he had every right to protect himself and after hearing the details of the fight and the bullying leading up to it and after the incident I supported my son.  So a one day suspension wasn't anything but a day off for him because I certainly didn't plan on punishing him at home.  Plus, I am a single mother and in school full time so if he was off for a suspension that I did think he desearved and wanted to punish him while he was at home, I have limited lee way there as well.  I don't think that out of school suspension is punishment, why not saturday school like when we were kids or in school suspension?

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   fpherj48posted 11 years ago

   High Schools use the "suspension" method as a penalty.....because it's  EASY FOR THEM.   Being suspended from school to a teen is a gift.   You know this and so do I and most rational adults.
   Punishments for breaking school rules and other types of misconduct, should be a created list of various penalties, per infraction.  This list should be compiled by a group of teachers, parents and school board members.  Published and given out to all students at the beginning of every school year.  All parents should be mailed a copy.
   To clarify by example:  For class room disruption, a student should be given a pre-determined number of demerits, given an assignment to write a 500 word essay on Why Class Room Disruption is Wrong and Should Not Be Tolerated.  An apology to the teacher and fellow students must also be written and then both essay and apology be read by the offending student, in front of the class.
   For smoking on school grounds:   The student must be separated from the student body, for 3 to 5 days, placed in a private room that can be supervised.  His morning assignment to be viewing films on the dangers of smoking, while taking notes to later write a composition on each film.   In the afternoon, this student will complete homework assignments, which have been given to him by his teachers, for each of his classes.  Demerits would apply here, as well.
   I believe you get my gist, in terms of this type of Discipline System
   This would not be difficult to enforce and would be far more useful and successful in deterring students from all sorts of bad behavior.

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      abbykorinneleeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Amen they do anything that will make it easier on them wont they

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   tussinposted 11 years ago

   I've always wondered that.  But I think if you rack up too many suspensions you get expelled, and then it's a lot harder to attend another school.  Public schools can still refuse to take students who have been expelled from other schools, private schools are picky as every one knows, and random "alternative" schools don't always offer a real education.
   
   So then what are your options? Study for the GED or get lucky and have your parents agree to homeschool you?  That's why students should try to avoid getting too many "mini-vacations." But one might be nice!

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   TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years ago

   The truth is that when paddling was banned from the public school system, administrators had to come up with something, and suspensions seemed logical to them.
   
   However, they are mostly ineffective.  If a good swat on the butt is out, there are other more effective things that can be done such as:
   
   making students work for a day in a nursing home
   making students scrape gum from the bottoms of school furniture
   making students shovel manure at farms
   
   in other words, give them something nasty and miserable to do that will make them think twice before acting out again.
   
   However, this will never work because Mommy and Daddy will feel the schools are "humiliating" their little darlings in some way.
   
   So, what you have left is the suspensions!

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 11 years ago

   Nowadays they have cops in the schools so that kids know they have no rights, and the state is GOD, and besides, if they get in trouble, they are going to a for profit juvenile detention center, because someone paid the judge to send them there, and because dick cheney needs his thousandth heart transplant.

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   aj-disaster87posted 11 years ago

   Its not just Western schools (unless you mean the Hemisphere) - I got a 2 day in-school suspension once. That was brutal. Spent all day(s) in the office. I agree with you though, about the 5 day out-of-school suspension. It is a mini vacation, awesome for a delinquent High-school-er (not calling you names at all, just saying).
   (I just read through the responses and I wholeheartedly agree with fpherj48 and agree with most other responses as well..) When I was in  High-school we had what they called " Narcotics Officers" patrolling the premises as a way to keep kids from smoking on school grounds. And that's precisely what they did, they showed us the property line and if I were go to over "there" and smoke, he couldn't say a word. They were lenient with a lot of us. Other kids would be sent to the office if they gave said 'Narc' attitude, or someone was caught doing worse things than smoking a cigarette.
   
   As far as suspensions go, I truly believe they should all be in school. If you send a child home for misbehaving he/she is most likely going to watch T.V or fiddle around on the internet. That's not punishment.
   This will be the second time in my answer that I'm crediting this person but, fpherj48, has the right way of thinking. If i were caught smoking and told to watch films on in and take notes to then later write about it - No thank you. I'd be upset. Although, it would certainly sway my desire to have a smoke while at school.

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      Mr. Happyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You for your answer Aj-disaster87. And no worry about the delinquent comment. Delinquent Habits it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm8i8YSdou0

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