Mandatory Ethics Classes - What do you think?

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  1. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    Schools have mandatory math, history, and other classes. Why not mandatory ethics classes? Doesn't have to be anything esoteric, just the basics. For that matter, maybe even have advanced classes, if the schools think the students would be capable of benefiting from it?

    This post was spawned by all the bad things I see happening in our schools, week after week after week.

    [An edit] These classes should be initiated at a very young age. Seriously, I mean kindergarten, first grade, etc.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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        Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Anti-religious collectivism is the death of true precepts of liberty. And anyone who has tried to plan an economy around these factors has failed, EVERY TIME.

        What we need to bring back is civics classes. To educate people on their constitutional rights.

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          TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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            Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            China is hugely repressive towards religious freedom. That means people aren't free to worship how they choose, People in Hong Kong are currently rioting in the streets to retain those liberties against a giant collectivist oppressor. (Probably the worst example you could have cited).

            But I'm more concerned with the collectivism than whether or not they are religious. Taxation is theft and by it's very nature is a strain on individual liberty. That's not indoctrination that's a fact.
            Indoctrination is to believe that taking money away from people at gunpoint for the so called greater good, and letting a wasteful and corrupt government spend it how they see fit is somehow a form of liberty.

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              TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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                Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "Never put self interest ahead of the tribe" That's collectivism.

                I find it ironic that you claim I am going off topic when not only did you bring collectivist ideology into the conversation with your first post, but you denied it in one sentence, and then went on to defend it in the very next paragraph.
                I don't mind having a discussion over the pros and cons of collectivism since you were the first to bring it up. It is odd however, that you accuse me of indoctrination when the concept is so ingrained in your thoughts that you don't even realize when you are writing about it.

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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                    Onusonusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Your idea of localized tribalism is merely a steppingstone towards state ran collectivism. And you applaud China for it's repression towards the religious. No, you don't believe in liberty.

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      lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      1984.....

    3. Castlepaloma profile image77
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Love the ethic idea. Teach more in schools about sexual relationship, independently, how to make money, or lessons in love. More important things we all can use alot more of.

      1. wilderness profile image76
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        LOL  While you might (might!) get a very general agreement over very basic morality, you will never, ever get any kind of agreement with anything remotely sexual.

        Will you teach total abstinence as the only acceptable form of birth control?  Will you teach that sex outside marriage is sinful and to be avoided at all costs?  Will you teach that prostitution is a valuable service, performed by upstanding citizens or a sin, disgusting and immoral - performed only by the dregs of society?

        Will you teach that women must be completely covered at all times so as to not arouse unacceptable feelings in the boys seeing them?  Will you teach that women shall never speak to a male when unaccompanied by their spouse?

        And who will teach the teachers?  The hierarchy of the Ku Klux Klan or the Pope?  Given the coverup of Catholic priest activities, I wouldn't accept either one!

      2. Castlepaloma profile image77
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        You may find sex education in school creepy.

        Take it from Denmark, the happiest country in the world. Plus many countries in Northern Europe. Also personally sex has been my greatest pleasure on earth and laughing second. Plus an ultimate bond for the one I love most. Why be taught sex ignorance from teenage locker rooms and porn industry larger than Hollywood.

        Sex week
        The sex week campaign is run by Sex & Samfund (Sex & Society), a non-profit dedicated to improving sex education in Denmark.

        It began 11 years ago as a week of programming dedicated to all aspects of sex and sexuality, tailored to different ages. Each year has a distinct theme, the most recent being “boundaries” — an in-depth exploration of digital safety, sexting, the sharing of sexual images and consent.

        Comprehensive sex education is mandatory in Danish law, but Sex Week isn’t. That hasn’t hindered its popularity, however. The most recent sex week reached over 20,000 teachers and around 400,000 pupils — around two-thirds of all school-age children in Denmark.

        “The political environment means we have a great framework for sex education,” said Lene Stavngaard, national director at Sex & Samfund, who cited support from politicians and a progressive sexual culture in the country as important factors in making CSE so widespread.

        One particular strength of the framework, she argued, was its focus on competencies, rather than specific topics.

        Danish children aren’t just expected to know about specific topics like consent, or reproductive biology, for example. Instead, they are expected to be able to understand and express themselves against much broader competencies, such as analysing gender norms, sexual rights, and different countries’ laws regarding sex.

        Sex week doesn’t stop at the school gates, either. Each year also includes tasks for parents to learn how to talk about sex with their kids. This year, the challenge encouraged parents to talk to their kids about nude image sharing and online safety in six itemised conversations.

        “If you don’t open space for discussions of nude image sharing online at home, and if as a parent you’re signalling [that] we can’t talk about this, then the child will feel ashamed and think it’s their own fault,” said Stavngaard.

        But Stavngaard emphasised that sex week is just a way to top-up and reinforce sex education that runs throughout Danish schooling, both in stand-alone sex education lessons, and integrated into other subjects, such as biology and physical education.

        Policy and practice
        Stavngaard was keen to temper any notion that Denmark has entirely cracked sex education, despite its many successes.

        “Denmark is often cited as a good example of sex education, but there was a recent evaluation on how sex is conducted in schools and it seems that often it’s not done very well,” she said. “Teachers aren’t always doing it and teachers don’t always have skills they require to do it well.”

        That’s not a unique problem. Sweden’s sex education curriculum is often cited as an example of best practice by international researchers, but one study found that 96% of students felt sexual assault wasn’t adequately covered.

        The problem is partly a skills gap that exists in teacher training curricula, said Stavngaard.

        “It’s mandatory for teachers to teach sex education, but it’s not mandatory for them to learn,” she said, arguing that including CSE in teacher training courses would do much to improve the implementation of ambitious laws.

        A second factor behind the gap between national policy and on-the-ground implementation is that some school heads support CSE more strongly than others. Stavngaard recommended that every principal set out a clear plan for the delivery of sex in their schools.

        But she also argued that schools alone aren’t enough to ensure young people receive the CSE they need. Parents need to be engaged, and NGOs

        “There are some things that are better coming from external people rather than your maths teacher,” said Stavngaard. Sexual pleasure, for example, might be better coming from an external voice. “It’s good to have a broad palette in how you deliver CSE in schools.”

        The lesson from the Danish experience in Stavngaard’s eyes is clear.

        “It’s not enough just to have knowledge,” she said. “Young people need to be empowered, and feel that they can make good decisions.” — Edward Siddons

        child marriage school girl
        Jobs and paid-for schooling can keep Tanzanian girls from early marriages

        1. wilderness profile image76
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          How nice for the Danish, and like them I have zero problem with sex education, all facets...as long as it meets my criteria for what is "right". 

          The Danes are, compared to the US, an extremely homogeneous group of people, all with pretty much the same concepts of how we should live.  Which was my point; those concepts vary so widely in the US that no agreement is even close to being possible and thus, given our concept of freedom of religion (where most sexual mores originate), agreeing on a training program is not possible.

          The US is probably unique in this world in that it really is a great melting pot of people.  But that doesn't mean that they all conform to a universal way of life; it means that we (hopefully) tolerate other ways.  And you're trying to put a common thread onto sex; probably the biggest difference we have amongst ourselves.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image77
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            We know sex is a hogposh of confusions with love. It's why we need lessons in love.

            Most of the top ten worst sins in America Christianity polls is about sex.  I see a melting pot in interracial sex in America porn, just not in the schools. Families are too afraid to talk about it.

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    laugherposted 5 years ago

    I think it is a great idea. The proliferation of STEM courses in fact necessitates formal introduction to ethics. How else do we make sure students are thinking about the complex social implications of tech. Today it's all a gospel: tech this, tech that, all hail tech; or the other extreme: down with tech. Ethics makes us understand that tech is really about ease of doing things, not simply things like phones, AI, and the likes. It is equally abstract as it is material (Please see: Sociology: The Essentials)

 
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