Should we be concerned about UFO’s or UAP’s today?

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  1. tsmog profile image81
    tsmogposted 16 months ago

    When I was eight years old living on Nebo U.S. Marine base near Barstow, California in the middle of the Mojave Desert I had my first encounter with a UFO. It was in the morning while hunting for lizards. I truly don’t know what I observed high in the sky in the near distance. It did not have a straight path like the jets flying from Edwards Air Force base some 60 miles away where X-15 flew from. It zigged and zagged and at times seemed to sit still. I watched it with fascination for about 15 minutes before it simply disappeared. That was the beginning of my fascination for them.

    Today in the news seems there are more sightings since the pandemic began. Most recently there was one over Northern Ireland and a few over New York City. These sightings are worldwide while the history goes back to cave dwellers with their cave paintings. There are so many areas and topics to mention like the mysterious crop circles popping up and the controversy of Area 51 in Nevada that supposedly speculators say the U.S. have a dead alien I will leave it to you to poke about.

    The OP is asking your view. Is it hogwash? Is there validity to it? What do you think of the evidence historically and today? Why do you suppose it is so important to the scientific community, the military, and governments?

    Links of interest while suggest go on an adventure yourself.

    A brief history of UFOs: top 10 sightings & timeline begins at 1947 … -timeline/

    UFO Sightings Map
    An interesting map for U.S. UFO sightings spanning 1997 to 2014 by year. … 3f8d06246e

    2022 could be a turning point in the study of UFOs by

    The article above is a intriguing article that is worth a read especially to consider where the scientific community and government actions are headed for 2022. At the article sub-heading; Coordinated Effort is this excerpt:

    In June 2021, the U.S. military and intelligence community issued a report on UAPs. It was followed by congressional urging to establish a formal office to carry out a "coordinated effort" on collection and analysis related to UAP.

    "Our national security efforts rely on aerial supremacy, and these phenomena present a challenge to our dominance over the air. Staying ahead of UAP sightings is critical to keeping our strategic edge and keeping our nation safe," Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said on Dec. 9, 2021, when announcing the inclusion of her UAP amendment in the $768.2 billion National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2022, which was signed into law by President Joe Biden on Dec. 27.

    Although the new office within the Pentagon, called the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, will not explicitly focus on the search for alien life, it will be tasked with providing a full spectrum of intelligence, as well as scientific and technical assessments, related to UAP.

    One of the new UAP office's responsibilities will be to implement a plan to "test scientific theories related to UAP characteristics and performances," Gillibrand said in a statement.
    So, what now?

    For one thing, there's a concerted effort to build UAP-spotting hardware and to decide where it will be stationed. This year could be a turning point in the study of UAP/UFOs.

    And, Over a thousand UFO videos available at the link following … gKoFPD_BwE

    1. GA Anderson profile image90
      GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      In having thought about this topic, I came to one foundational conclusion: to think humans are the only intelligent entity in the universe is dumb, (the epitome of human hubris for you wordsmiths out there).

      I have not seen one but that doesn't mean there aren't any. The military videos are compelling. The ancient illstrations—not so much.

      As a History channel Ancient Aliens  fan, I have seen a lot that defies explanation and a lot that is not very logically supported speculation. I think the caveman paintings are one example of interpretive speculation. For instance, there is one stone carving that clearly looks like a man/pilot/astronaut seated in a capsule amid control levers and pedals and it has flames shooting out of the bottom. The show narrators point to the obviousness of the depiction as proof, but I don't see how they can accept that interstellar space travelers were still using flame-producing combustion propulsion. That doesn't seem right to me.

      Then I had a second thought about all the historical government secrecy and I agree with the Hollywood visions of our fear of alien invasion. Of course non-science folks are going to fear what they don't know or understand—especially military folks, but I can imagine the initial worldwide panic if the population knew UAPs were real aliens. Hence the government's efforts of secrecy.

      I do have a tinfoil hat, just in case, but I ain't ready to put it on yet.

      1. Nathanville profile image94
        Nathanvilleposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        I don’t have any views on this topic (an open mind), but I found your line of thought compelling.

        Although unfounded, I have heard rumours in the past that the UK Government uses the ‘D’ notice to stifle key information about UFOs?  A 'D' Notice is a mechanism, introduced in 1912, that’s used by the UK Government to prevent the British Newspapers from printing certain information:

        1. tsmog profile image81
          tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          I am glad you have an open mind to it Arthur. Interesting about the 'D' notice while I wonder if out government has something like that here in the U.S. I bet they do, even though today there is more of a big emphasis on transparency. But, with UFO or UAP's it is only recently in the past maybe two years our government has released information on that matter to the public while still hold some back. Curious of what governments investigate that we know of I found a short list that does include the U.K. with two the defense department did the first in 1950. There are links to the different studies for each country. The two U.K. ones are short reads.

          List of investigations of UFOs by governments
 … overnments

          1. Nathanville profile image94
            Nathanvilleposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Wow, some interesting reading in the Wikipedia link you’ve provided; thanks.

            Yeah, likewise in the UK, there’s a big emphasis on Government transparency here too; albeit the current Conservative Government do try to hide information at times, usually in vein as either Parliament gets a court order forcing the Government to release the reports, or information is realised due to a ‘Freedom of Information’ request made by a member of public under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, which was passed by a Labour (Socialist) Government in 2000.

            Also, in the UK secret Government information has to be published into the ‘Public Domain’ when it’s 30 years old, unless it’s considered by the Government that releasing it would compromise ‘national security’; therefore it’s not unusual for some of the 30 year old Government documents released into the Public Domain to be heavily redacted!

            I can remember one time (when I was working in the civil service) receiving a phone call from ‘National Archives’ listing specific documents that were on my desk because they were due for being shredded as they’d reached end of life (25 year date) and no longer required by our Department (nothing sensitive, just lots of boring data on road traffic).  So rather than destroying the files I had to send them onto the National Archives (an Independent Government Department) so that the information can be kept as part of our national heritage indefinably rather than being lost – Information that’s of no interest to anyone other than perhaps historians in the distant future?

   … d_Kingdom)

      2. tsmog profile image81
        tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        GA, Loved the last line smile I have never watched Ancient Aliens, yet would love too. I think just being a viewer means you have an open mind about it as well as with what you presented. For me UFO has since my incident shared in the OP always been a fascination giving attention to it more on than off while having a definite open mind to it. I think there is enough historical evidence, though anecdotal in form to convince as you said not to be so arrogant that they we have not been visited by someone from somewhere and they had a means of transportation.

        At the third article; 2022 Could Be a Turning Point in the Study of UFO', it shares a recent study that may explain why that ancient stone carving had flames coming from the craft. It is the visitors are here not from somewhere in space, but from our future. hmmm . . . below is an except about it.

        The human time travelers model to explain UFOs has been gaining traction over the last couple years," said Michael Masters, a professor of anthropology at Montana Technological University.

        [Michael] Masters is the author of the 2019 book "Identified Flying Objects," which examines the premise that UFOs and aliens may simply be our distant human descendants using the anthropological tool of time travel to visit and study us, as members of their own hominin evolutionary past.

        "I think people are starting to realize that it makes a lot of sense in the context of how these ships operate, how they can achieve such incredible accelerations and decelerations if they are manipulating space-time in their own reference frame in and around these craft, and if we can take seriously the description of beings seen in association with them, how they are ubiquitously described in such human terms, regarding their behavior, technology and morphological form," Masters told

    2. Ken Burgess profile image80
      Ken Burgessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Several theories on this I consider just as probable.

      An ancient civilization existed (or still exists we are just unaware of it at the general population level) that had technology far superior to our own.

      This would explain many tales and matters depicted in the Bible, in ancient Babylonian texts, ancient Indian texts and so on.

      It would also explain things like the Nazca lines in Peru and the airstrips and mountain tops that have been sheered clean off there.

      It would explain the Pyramids in Egypt, the Temple of Jupiter Baalbek complex in Lebanon and other inexplicable megalithic sites.

      An alternative to this would be dimensional travel, dimensional rifts, alternate timelines, any of which I would consider more probable than an alien species traveling from a billion lightyears away in a Cosmos with trillions of alternate places to go rather than here.

      Lastly there could be beings more advanced than us which hail from a nearby planet.  Saturn or Jupiter or on one of Saturn’s 62 moons, it is impossible to rule out the idea that higher forms of life live within our own solar system.

      It could even be possible that life once existed on Mars, which was capable of supporting life as we know it for lengthy stretches in the ancient past, perhaps hundreds of millions of years at a time, who is to say that some ancient race from there didn't seed humanity on earth?

      1. tsmog profile image81
        tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        I agree with a lot of what you said, Ken, while like yourself am keeping an open mind to it with my natural curiosity and pondering. On the theme you spoke of I read an article that states the first Temple constructed in Turkey could not have been done with the technology of that time being 6,000 years ago. hmmm . . . 

        If interested take a peek at this article. Though long it is interesting and worth a skim.

        Gobekli Tepe: The World’s First Temple? … -83613665/

        1. Ken Burgess profile image80
          Ken Burgessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          The key part is the time you mentioned... it is not 6,000 years ago.

          "massive carved stones about 11,000 years old, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery. The megaliths predate Stonehenge by some 6,000 years. The place is called Gobekli Tepe."

          It is easier to date Gobekli Tepe because it was deliberately (meaning on purpose) buried, and the organic items (found within pottery that was also buried) can be dated back over 12,000 years. Carbon dated to just after the last Ice Age.

          Dr. Robert Ballard, an acclaimed underwater archaeologist believes Noah's flood happened 12,000+ years ago.

          Dr Nicholas Flemming believes the same.

          Graham Hancock’s Theory about Ancient Civilization:

          The ancient site of Boncuklu Tarla in Mardin, Turkey is re-writing history, and experts are now sure it’s older than Gobekli Tepe.

          The evidence is clear to me from all I've watched and read that there was a Human Civilization that was global some 12-13,000 years ago.

          And then two disasters struck the planet, about 1,000 years apart, between 12,500 and 11,000 years ago.  One of which is considered by many religions across the globe as the great flood.

          Everything was wiped out or sunk under oceans that rose over 300 feet.

          What we have at Baalbek, Tiwanaku, the Nazca Lines (airstrips) so much evidence of megalithic stonework that we could not replicate even today.

          To mention nothing of the sum total hidden and found in Egypt.

          It is incredible that ancient Egyptians completed the Pyramid of Giza in 20 years (according to accepted history today), but it took over 200 years for England to finish the construction of the Lincoln Cathedral.

          Some of the granite used in the interior of the pyramid was quarried from over 500 miles away!  We are talking 100 ton blocks of stone, moved 500 miles, by people supposedly using rope, pulleys, and bronze tools!

          Something just doesn't add up, does it?

          1. tsmog profile image81
            tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the interesting info, Ken, opening the door to more pondering at the amazement of it. I agree it just doesn't seem to add up! As said earlier my wandering about looking into UFO and ancient civilizations and people is a passing thing here and there. I follow an archaeology group, a couple of history ones, and a UFO one on Facebook. They all post short mentions of facts of discoveries and such with pictures or paintings that feed my daily interest

    3. peterstreep profile image79
      peterstreepposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      But I would think: Why would intelligent aliens visit earth? If they are able to travel faster than light (and thus time) the difference in intelligence would be like us and ants.
      Nobody is interested in ants.
      The universe is fast. And the challenges to travel from one place to another are enormous. That's why I find it incredibly improbable that other civilizations would visit us.
      It's possible that there is another intelligent life out there. But what is intelligence? Octopuses are intelligent animals, but for a long time, we've not even considered them intelligent.
      Surely there is alien life out there in the universe, but intelligent is highly questinable.
      I think the pentagon is chasing ghosts. A good reason to spend some money on electronic equipment that can be used in different ways as well, spying etc. Aliens sell!!
      If the aliens were here, we would have been exterminated. That's what we have done with the indigenous populations all over the world when conquering new territory.
      Alines on earth is a fantasy, great for movies and books. And fun to speculate on. But no.
      Especially aliens with the appearance of a human (Like Rosswell.) What are the evolutionary chances on that one!!!
      If we ever meet alien life, it would be so utterly strange that we barely would recognize it as such.

      1. tsmog profile image81
        tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        An interesting view, yet why can they not be studying us as we do the octopuses?

        1. peterstreep profile image79
          peterstreepposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Because you can't go faster than the speed of light. And the universe is a big place to cross even if you travel with the speed of 90% of the speed of light.
          If for one reason or another there were aliens traveling faster than the speed of light we would have noticed them in the sky.
          And I don't mean UFOs of the size of airplanes. The "ufo's" would be moon size.
          To me, all the photos and evidence (how come, in the age of iPhones, the pictures are still fuzzy?) are not convincing. Why is it that if we look at SciFi movies the starships of let's say Startrek or Starwars are huge? And the UFOs we talk about are small?
          And why is it that all those aliens are always humanlike in the so-called secret files? The chances that alien life has a comparison with human shapes are incredibly small. Look at the many animals and plants on this planet. and that's from one evolutionary string.
          If life developed somewhere else in this universe (and I believe it surely has done so) that the chances are incredibly small it took more or less the same evolutionary process. (the principle yes, as evolution is the only way to develop more complex entities)
          No, it's great to speculate about aliens and how they would look like and how they would live in their environment. How their ecosystem would be. Would they live in symbiosis (as we do, we have lots of animals living inside us we can't live without) Have they pets. etc.
          I love sci-fi and read a lot of sci-fi. But I think the idea that there are aliens (dead or alive) on this planet is not realistic.

          And by the way, most of the time we are killing octopuses and eating them instead of studying them. And that would probably be a more realistic encounter with aliens. They would wipe us out as the Europeans have done with the indigenous Americans and grab the precious resources.

          Interesting question though.

          1. GA Anderson profile image90
            GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Well, I found a hook.

            While I agree with most of your points, I do think the probability of alien intelligent life is high. The hook was your thought about traveling faster than the speed of light.

            I think that thought requires confidence that we know it all. What is the proof that our understanding of physics is the right one?

            That was a broad question. I know our knowledge of physics has solid proven support, but what if our understanding is only the first level of many and our knowledge doesn't even know there are other levels?

            I understand that has the sound of metaphysical speculation, and it may be silly, but I don't think we have the knowledge to prove it is silly. Sort of like the trending scientific speculation about multi-dimensional multi-verses.

            It's just a speculative thought.


            1. peterstreep profile image79
              peterstreepposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, you're right there. Science is constantly improving. And we can do things today which seemed magic 100 years ago.
              Think 10.000 years along the line and it's impossible to comprehend for us what the world would look like. And 10.000 years is nothing on a cosmic scale. Perhaps it's possible to make wormholes or to teleport.
              It's definitely good advice to be humble. And being humble, I think that's another reason to think there is no alien intelligence scrutinizing us.
              I think It's pretty arrogant to think that we are so important for a civilization that is a million years ahead of us that they will study us. (Startrek is pretty romantic in that sense.)
              Yes, the multiverse is a popular theory to back up string theory. But still debatable in scientific circles. But fun to think about for us laymen.
              The classic Fermi paradox: If there is intelligent life in the universe, where are they?
              (It's quite plausible that intelligent life will more often than not destroy itself through whatever reason. and will never reach the technology to cross the universe.)
              Almost daily new exoplanets are found. And with the new James Webb telescope "we" could perhaps find out more about these exoplanets and the possibility of life.
              Another question is. is intelligence something that will automatically appear through natural selection or is it a "happy accident.."
              But I love the first sentence of the book The War of the Worlds by H.G.Wells :
              “No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.”

              1. tsmog profile image81
                tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                I was going to comment to your first reply, yet I shall here. I appreciate your observations in the first reply and am glad they convince you, yet they don't me. However, they are worth pondering as I watch the Super Bowl today and later.

                One thing you mentioned is why are the pictures of small craft and not huge like the Enterprise. I offer was there not the Death Star and the one seat crafts battling each other? Why are the photos always fuzzy and not clear? Good question! Yet, I ask why are there even any photos at all some even by the military aircraft cameras? What are the explanations for objects that are tracked by radar both military and civilian? That for me gives me cause at this time to be open minded to possibility while seeking probability with my on and off again investigations. Isn't that what scientific method is based on?

                If curious . . . below is a link to a lengthy study of the 1965 Heflin photos where the conclusion states they are not a hoax. Just skimming while stopping here and there I think if that much effort is placed into analysis of one set of photos, then what are the efforts of the U.S. government studies by the military and scientific community with their incidents being investigated? As far as that goes why even bother investigating? As a side note is this only an American fascination?

       … p;type=pdf

                1. peterstreep profile image79
                  peterstreepposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  "What are the explanations for objects that are tracked by radar both military and civilian?"

                  To be honest I think it's more plausible that these explanations are from a military nature and that's why all the hush-hush and red herrings. As well as natural phenomena. These are far more sensible explanations than the over-complicated explanations that only raise more questions.

                  The question of extraterrestrial life is an important one. Are we alone in the universe.. etc? And touches some deep emotional levels. It's a question answered in thousands of (sci-fi) books in many ways. But the Fermi Paradox is still standing.

                  I think it's an American fascination close to the love of conspiracy theories that are especially popular in the US. And on the darker side QAnon.
                  I think this is related to religion. I read somewhere that the percentage of people believing in astrology and conspiracy theories is highest among people who aren't satisfied with the traditional explanations by religions.

                  I quickly skimmed the article so far (lack of time) but the photos show my point. Why cross the universe that is bigger than huge in such a tiny spacecraft? The only answer I can think of is that the aliens inside the flying saucer are tiny too. Or they are remote-controlled machines by aliens far away.

                  I find it interesting to see how scifi books and films changed over time. From Well's The War of the Worlds and Jules Verne's  From Earth to Moon up to modern sci-fi like Iain M. Banks and William Gibson, that include the internet and quantum mechanics. So our ideas about aliens and ufos change too. It's a reflection of our own thoughts, hopes and wishes. And that's great. The imagination of the human species is perhaps our biggest "asset". We landed on the moon!!! years after Jules Vern dreamt and wrote about it. Still an amazing achievement, science-wise and spiritually wise.

                  But perhaps with the thoughts about aliens on earth or elsewhere in the universe, the question is more important and intriguing than the answer.

                  All the best,


                  1. tsmog profile image81
                    tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                    Thanks for the input and exploring this topic with us offering food for thought and pondering. Admittedly I by nature have a curious nature, yet as attested with 14 years of my career doing data mining and analysis of such do seek evidence. With that many times I had to present to my superiors their ideas did not prove to be true to their dismay. Oh well . . .

                    Regarding this topic I again confessing I am fascinated with the lore and history of angels while wondering if ties to visitors from somewhere . . . anywhere. It is like the on going discussions of if there is a God then where is the proof countered with if there is no God where is the proof. A paradox of belief as I see it.

                    For me belief has three elements; acknowledgment, faith, and trust. In other words to even form a belief something must be acknowledged. Then both trust and faith are variables interacting on an acknowledgement giving more or less strength to the belief. Yet, the later two are abstracts, so could be said is esoteric in a sense. Anyway, again, thanks for the discussion points.

            2. Nathanville profile image94
              Nathanvilleposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              There isn’t much I can add as you, Peter and Tim seem to have covered all the points that I had on my mind; although notwithstanding the rest of your comments, I could add my “two-pennies- worth” on your comment:

              “The hook was your thought about traveling faster than the speed of light.  I think that thought requires confidence that we know it all. What is the proof that our understanding of physics is the right one?”

              I don’t know that we do need to necessarily ‘know it all’ in order to surmise on some very basic principle of physics.  The question of ‘travelling faster than the speed of light’ is covered by Albert’s Einstein’s Theory of Relatively (which is well proven from multiple angles), which simply states that ‘the faster you travel the slower time travels’; a concept which is easy to prove; and from that basis, to travel faster than the speed of light would suggest travelling backwards in time.

              However, in Quantum physics ‘information’ travelling faster than the speed of light is well established e.g. Quantum entanglement, which is an important element of Quantum Computers.

              And Schrödinger's cat poses some interesting speculations in this area.

              Then we have the subject of wormholes, which Peter reference above, and which is another fascinating area of Quantum physics; albeit wormholes are more speculative at this time.

              In summary, Plenty of Questions, but no answers!

  2. Slarty O'Brian profile image81
    Slarty O'Brianposted 16 months ago

    When I was young nobody believed aliens existed. But as we found more and more planets out there I started thinking other life must be out there even if it isn't intelligent yet. And science tells us they would have to be far more advanced than us to get here, if they have been here, which is possible.

    But if they are that far advanced they could have taken us over hundreds of years ago. If they are out there watching us, I don't think we need to fear them. If they really are a lot more advanced then us perhaps they have a higher morality as well.

    But due to countries always trying to hide their new high tech from others, we don't know if they are just American, Russian, Chinese, German or anyone's new tech. Maybe all of them.

    But until governments actually come clean, or we find any life out there, even bacteria, we just don't know for a fact yet. Does anybody? lol.... Who knows?  I have always wished we'd find the real answers before I die.

    1. tsmog profile image81
      tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Slarty, that makes good sense to me and opens the door to pondering. Especially the point if there was something they wanted here on this planet they could have taken it long ago. High tech is a mystery to me to begin with. I would think our scientists today would have that same kind of amazement and curiosity. I hope you get what I mean.

      Regard the comment of even discovering bacteria on a planet have you seen the news about there was alien being watching the Rover on Mars causing speculations and a little hoopla about it. Take a peek at the short article linked below.

      'Alien' spotted watching Mars rover in certain 'proof of life', expert claims … r-26147666

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image81
        Slarty O'Brianposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Right, and if it is true then again, they were just watching. They could have destroyed the rover, and by now they know we've seen them, so it's not like they think they need to hide.

        As for ancient aliens that's a possibility. The bible tells us about angels coming down and mating with our women. Could aliens have genetically altered a species of ape to become us? lol... And almost every old religion tells us gods came down, taught them, and left. Aliens would have seemed like gods to cave people. wink

        And there is a lot of evidence coming up that suggests advanced civilizations during and perhaps before the last ice age. So, if so, were they human? It's possible. And that would explain ancient religions as well. If in the great floods after the ice age they were almost wiped out, Could it be that they looked for a less advanced species like the Sumerians/Hindus to teach and try to rebuild their culture? 

        So many possibilities. But one thing is for sure, we don't have the last word on any of this yet, even if governments and historians think they do. A lot of possible archeology is being forbidden that might give us some real answers. And that's just wrong. We want truth, not lies just to keep tradition.

        1. tsmog profile image81
          tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          I like your pondering about. Intriguing! It brought to mind the many ancient ruins were stones weighing tons were used to build structures with a fit so tight it said the technology of the time could not have done it. Yet, archeologist today are able to explain in some cases negating aliens were involved. So, one is left in a quandary with if true then scenario. Alas, just keep an open mind I say.

  3. cheaptrick profile image73
    cheaptrickposted 16 months ago

    Well said Sir...To go even further,I submit that the cycle(Birth,life,death and rebirth)of civilization has occurred many times for millions of years leaving the many unexplained artifacts world wide which we cannot explain etc etc etc...

    1. tsmog profile image81
      tsmogposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed! The study is vast isn't it? I find it interesting as a passing now and then look see what is happening while pondering with an open mind.

      1. GA Anderson profile image90
        GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        If you are a SciFi fan the book, A Mote in God's Eye might be an interesting read. It is about a similar concept; an alien species that is aware of it's destructive history of species self-annihilation and repeated regeneration. They left physical instructions, (in the form of depictive museums), for the subsequently resurrected societies to learn from.


      2. Slarty O'Brian profile image81
        Slarty O'Brianposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Exactly so. Hence why I believe nothing in either the negative or positive. Facts don't require belief, and the only other options are speculation and lies. Why believe them? If it can't be proven fact then it's a guess, a model built on facts, perhaps, but that doesn't make the model correct. Not until it's proven.

        Nothing wrong with building models, in fact it's how we get answers. But only if the models can be proven or falsified.

        If we can't do either, belief either way is a weak position to take. Keep that open mind, and wait and see what new info comes up. wink

  4. Sugar Faith profile image88
    Sugar Faithposted 15 months ago

    That is so great! I wish you're having fun with what you're doing.

  5. tsmog profile image81
    tsmogposted 15 months ago

    Just exploring a bit on the web coming across an interesting article giving fruit for pondering this and that. Maybe take a peek for fun and speculation.

    The Truth About The Anunnaki, The Ancient Sumerian Gods That Some Say Were Actually Aliens


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