Is Logic Emotionless?

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   I argued with some "intellectuals" on a previous thread when I made the claim that emotions are separated in logic. The "intellectuals" argued that I was trying to redefine the word because it says nothing of logic being emotionless in the dictionaries. The "intellectuals" put up a strong argument then submitted that logic does in fact separate emotions in the end. What do you think, does logic have emotions?

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It seems quite obvious that logic has nothing to do with emotions. For cryin' out loud...haven't those "intellectuals" seen a logic textbook!?? It looks like algebra except with it's own symbols.
      
      Logic is a set of strict rules/science about argument and reasoning--indeed it comes from the Greek word for reason, which, philosophically speaking, is the opposite of emotion.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Thank You.

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         china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Kant - who sorted a lot of the rules for philosophy - says Reason is above logic.  From there I think most of our modern thinking problems come from promoting logic over reason.  Logic cannot solve human problems but we think it can and use it as if it can.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not clear on this. How is reason above logic?

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               Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Because reason allows for emotion? Takes emotion into consideration, I think. It's reasonable to understand why say..... your child is illogically crying or some such. A strictly logical approach may not always be able to comprehend why.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That makes sense.

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               Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You start good threads by the way.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank You. You always have thoughtful responses.

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            TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            This is true...I was thinking along the lines of pre-Kantian thought...you know, the Greeks gave us the word for logic and it was their word for reason. I think what Pani had to say about reason taking emotion into account was very relevant here, and very good.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on what kind of logic, or how the logic is being applied.
      
      It's logical to add 2 and 2 and make 4.
      
      But when it comes to logic in most human thought and issues,  there's emotion involved even if we don't realize it.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Emotion can be separated for logic.

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You're right, it is logical that 2 and 2 make four, and there is nothing emotional about that fact.
         
         Logic IS separate from emotion, that is one of its points. Humans, being equipped with reason ARE able to make that separation. We call it objectivity. Logic, when properly applied is emotionless...that's WHY most people don't like it or know how to use it, but it IS possible.
         
         (And don't get the impression that I think logic is the end-all, be-all either...Wisdom and Understanding require both reason and emotion.)

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            All of that was excellent! I loved the last line and agree 100%!

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               TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Ahh, I missed it when you said this, marine...Thanks

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well higher you go less you care about lower level. More open and rational you become less you attach yourself to something and defend. Emotion comes when you try to defend something or feel expressing your opinion about. Self-biased view is full of emotion, unbiased view is not at all.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well thought sky. I think you put more emphasis on balance being the key. I agree with your comment, well said.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marine:
      Yes!
      "Pure" logic is emotionless.
      It is the "science" that deals with sound thinking and proofs by reasoning.

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         Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I hope so, geez...
         I suppose I got side-tracked with that philosophic bozo worshipper (a few posts below), that I forgot to answer the actual question.  Uhhh..., yeah, like Spock said...oops, I meant Qwark.  Ha-ha!

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Obscure:
            Damn!
            That's why I don't post a pic of myself. MY pointed ears are only appreciated by "trekkies."   :-)

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               Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Ain't that the damn truth!!  Same here! LOL!

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                  qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  ....lolol

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                     Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I'll be off tomorrow; ya got any forum fun that we need to address, or is it as usual - stupidity talking to ignoramuses of the same ilk?  Anyway, I'm about to retire for the day, unless someone on other threads pisses me off...Ha-ha!

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                        qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Obscure:
                        lol...
                        Naw, I'm just another of those: "... is it as usual - stupidity talking to ignoramuses of the same ilk?"
                        Enjoy yer day off.
                        I'll just "handle" those of my "ilk" in the same inimitable manner...lol
                        Enjoy the weekend!

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years ago

   You're welcome. Don't you hate it when the things other people think make you question even the most basic things you think you know? LOL

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes because I already don't know much and some try to make me think I know even less.

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well, you know...one of the greatest philosophers around said something along the lines of "It's a great man who knows that he knows nothing."
         
         So you must be on the right track!

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe on the wrong track to insanity.

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            Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What's nothing?  How can you know nothing?  Is 'nothing' a something to not know or something?  I've always hated that asinine statement about the nothingness of nothing.  If that's the case, we might as well all be single celled moronic formations, but then again, that would be something, I suppose...  Ha-ha!

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               TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I think it points more to an epistemological definition of the word "know" rather than thoughts about the "nothing" part. Ask yourself how you KNOW anything and the philosophical territory gets pretty swampy.

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                  Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I know what this hogwash implies.  It's basically saying nobody knows about their existence.  Nobody will ever unravel the properties of infinity and/or eternity and/or the reason for their existence on this current plane of reality.  Duh...  All of that other philosophical verbiage of the past is just a fancy cover up for being clueless.

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                     TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     HOW do you know that?

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                        Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Gifted, perhaps...  Ain't those examples, that I recently stated, the ultimate queries of life?  Ha-ha!

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   lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

   marine my friend I'm all confused again. :

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I will be confused with you.

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         lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         your great whew
         :

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years ago

   Darn...I thought this was a pretty straightforward thread. Why all the confusion?

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sure, lyric, why are we confused?

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Sometimes.
   But not always.  My husband tries it all the time.  But in most of his decisions there IS emotion attached within them, emotion he doesn't like to admit because he considers himself able to separate the two things in much of life.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, at least you got you to admit to sometimes. lol. I wouldn't say all the time, I am sure there are some people who have made themselves completely independent or numb to emotions.

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      Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Then his decision was made emotionally, not logically, or his logic was hampered by his emotion. It doesn't mean logic itself is emotional, or contains elements of emotion.

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   lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

   btw I'm not as stupid as I think Iam am

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   StormRyderposted 14 years ago

   Spock say's "Of course it is, silly human"
   

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   Rafiniposted 14 years ago

   Logic is definitely seperate from emotion.
   
   Who do you go to for logical  or technical answers?  People who understand & use logic.
   
   Who do you go to for emotional support?  People who can relate & understand emotionally.

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's cute...  I like how you "break it down"...  Ha-ha! 

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