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Is Logic Emotionless?

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    I argued with some "intellectuals" on a previous thread when I made the claim that emotions are separated in logic. The "intellectuals" argued that I was trying to redefine the word because it says nothing of logic being emotionless in the dictionaries. The "intellectuals" put up a strong argument then submitted that logic does in fact separate emotions in the end. What do you think, does logic have emotions?

    1. TheGlassSpider profile image72
      TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It seems quite obvious that logic has nothing to do with emotions. For cryin' out loud...haven't those "intellectuals" seen a logic textbook!?? It looks like algebra except with it's own symbols.

      Logic is a set of strict rules/science about argument and reasoning--indeed it comes from the Greek word for reason, which, philosophically speaking, is the opposite of emotion.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Thank You.

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        china manposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Kant - who sorted a lot of the rules for philosophy - says Reason is above logic.  From there I think most of our modern thinking problems come from promoting logic over reason.  Logic cannot solve human problems but we think it can and use it as if it can.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not clear on this. How is reason above logic?

          1. Pandoras Box profile image66
            Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Because reason allows for emotion? Takes emotion into consideration, I think. It's reasonable to understand why say..... your child is illogically crying or some such. A strictly logical approach may not always be able to comprehend why.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              That makes sense. big_smile

          2. Pandoras Box profile image66
            Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You start good threads by the way.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Thank You. You always have thoughtful responses. big_smile

        2. TheGlassSpider profile image72
          TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This is true...I was thinking along the lines of pre-Kantian thought...you know, the Greeks gave us the word for logic and it was their word for reason. I think what Pani had to say about reason taking emotion into account was very relevant here, and very good.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on what kind of logic, or how the logic is being applied.

      It's logical to add 2 and 2 and make 4.

      But when it comes to logic in most human thought and issues,  there's emotion involved even if we don't realize it.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Emotion can be separated for logic.

      2. TheGlassSpider profile image72
        TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You're right, it is logical that 2 and 2 make four, and there is nothing emotional about that fact.

        Logic IS separate from emotion, that is one of its points. Humans, being equipped with reason ARE able to make that separation. We call it objectivity. Logic, when properly applied is emotionless...that's WHY most people don't like it or know how to use it, but it IS possible.

        (And don't get the impression that I think logic is the end-all, be-all either...Wisdom and Understanding require both reason and emotion.)

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          All of that was excellent! I loved the last line and agree 100%! big_smile

          1. TheGlassSpider profile image72
            TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Ahh, I missed it when you said this, marine...Thanks smile

    3. skyfire profile image74
      skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well higher you go less you care about lower level. More open and rational you become less you attach yourself to something and defend. Emotion comes when you try to defend something or feel expressing your opinion about. Self-biased view is full of emotion, unbiased view is not at all.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Well thought sky. I think you put more emphasis on balance being the key. I agree with your comment, well said.

    4. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Marine:
      Yes!
      "Pure" logic is emotionless.
      It is the "science" that deals with sound thinking and proofs by reasoning.

      1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
        Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I hope so, geez...
        I suppose I got side-tracked with that philosophic bozo worshipper (a few posts below), that I forgot to answer the actual question.  Uhhh..., yeah, like Spock said...oops, I meant Qwark.  Ha-ha!

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Obscure:
          Damn!
          That's why I don't post a pic of myself. MY pointed ears are only appreciated by "trekkies."   :-)

          1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
            Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Ain't that the damn truth!!  Same here! LOL!

            1. qwark profile image56
              qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              ....lolol

              1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
                Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I'll be off tomorrow; ya got any forum fun that we need to address, or is it as usual - stupidity talking to ignoramuses of the same ilk?  Anyway, I'm about to retire for the day, unless someone on other threads pisses me off...Ha-ha!

                1. qwark profile image56
                  qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Obscure:
                  lol...
                  Naw, I'm just another of those: "... is it as usual - stupidity talking to ignoramuses of the same ilk?"
                  Enjoy yer day off.
                  I'll just "handle" those of my "ilk" in the same inimitable manner...lol
                  Enjoy the weekend!

  2. TheGlassSpider profile image72
    TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years ago

    You're welcome. Don't you hate it when the things other people think make you question even the most basic things you think you know? LOL

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes because I already don't know much and some try to make me think I know even less. lol

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image72
        TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Well, you know...one of the greatest philosophers around said something along the lines of "It's a great man who knows that he knows nothing." wink

        So you must be on the right track! smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe on the wrong track to insanity. lol

        2. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
          Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          What's nothing?  How can you know nothing?  Is 'nothing' a something to not know or something?  I've always hated that asinine statement about the nothingness of nothing.  If that's the case, we might as well all be single celled moronic formations, but then again, that would be something, I suppose...  Ha-ha!

          1. TheGlassSpider profile image72
            TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I think it points more to an epistemological definition of the word "know" rather than thoughts about the "nothing" part. Ask yourself how you KNOW anything and the philosophical territory gets pretty swampy.

            1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
              Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I know what this hogwash implies.  It's basically saying nobody knows about their existence.  Nobody will ever unravel the properties of infinity and/or eternity and/or the reason for their existence on this current plane of reality.  Duh...  All of that other philosophical verbiage of the past is just a fancy cover up for being clueless.

              1. TheGlassSpider profile image72
                TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                HOW do you know that?

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Gifted, perhaps...  Ain't those examples, that I recently stated, the ultimate queries of life?  Ha-ha!

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    lyricsingrayposted 8 years ago

    marine my friend I'm all confused again. hmm:

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I will be confused with you. big_smile

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        lyricsingrayposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol your great whew
        hmm:

  4. TheGlassSpider profile image72
    TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years ago

    sad Darn...I thought this was a pretty straightforward thread. sad Why all the confusion?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sure, lyric, why are we confused?

  5. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 8 years ago

    Sometimes.
    But not always.  My husband tries it all the time.  But in most of his decisions there IS emotion attached within them, emotion he doesn't like to admit because he considers himself able to separate the two things in much of life.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, at least you got you to admit to sometimes. lol. I wouldn't say all the time, I am sure there are some people who have made themselves completely independent or numb to emotions.

    2. Pandoras Box profile image66
      Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Then his decision was made emotionally, not logically, or his logic was hampered by his emotion. It doesn't mean logic itself is emotional, or contains elements of emotion.

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    lyricsingrayposted 8 years ago

    btw I'm not as stupid as I think Iam am lol lol lol

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    StormRyderposted 8 years ago

    Spock say's "Of course it is, silly human"
    http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6177/smugspock.jpg

  8. Rafini profile image87
    Rafiniposted 8 years ago

    Logic is definitely seperate from emotion.

    Who do you go to for logical  or technical answers?  People who understand & use logic.

    Who do you go to for emotional support?  People who can relate & understand emotionally.

    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
      Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's cute...  I like how you "break it down"...  Ha-ha!  smile

 
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