Why Do You Believe?

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  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Why do you believe your religious belief over all others?

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      SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is this a repeat question?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Nope. Now why do you believe in Jesus out of all the others? I think I know, do you know?

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Fear.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        That too. But I think passion outweighs the fear. Example, a passionate suicide bombers passion of belief over fear of death.

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        SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And I thought you stated before that you fear nothing.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Thought. Interesting. Not seeing the connection. You thought.... No - not resonating.

          Help me out here Dent. Quote me or something.

          Fear. Dent. Yes - that is working.

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            SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I actually wrote that as a joke. I knew what you meant when you wrote fear.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I fear lots of things. Missed the joke - sorry. I hate to have to ask to have jokes explained to me but...........?

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                SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                When you answered fear, I thought you answered for believers.

  2. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
    Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years ago

    Why I believe in God...  My answer is in my hub about it.

    I believe that the way I have examined everything has eliminated all the baggage...that is why what I believe is to me the truth. What I believe makes sense logically and emotionally.

    Also because, so far at least, not one person has been able to show me anything better, or put a hole in what I believe.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hello Mikel.

      Does passion have anything to do with it?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
        Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Emotions yes, intuition absolutely, passion in the strictest sense...no.


        {Hello my friend  wink }

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Mikel, passion/emotions are the same thing.

          The logical attempt to separate emotions from belief.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
            Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            intuition is based in feelings/emotions...passion may be an emotion...that doesn't make emotion passion.

            anger and rage are both emotions, they are not emotion.

            Logic when dealing with things that are beyond logic can only take you so far. The logic in my beliefs makes sense, the emotions take me someplace further along the path, and they make sense to me as well.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol What?

              anger and rage are and can be passionate emotions. Intuition can also be a passionate emotion. The passionate emotions are the ones you believe the most. Passion and emotion are the same. Both are belief in something you have emotion to believe.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
                Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                can be

                which makes them a part of....that does not make them the total package.

                2+2=4 is a part of mathematics...it is not the total package of math.

                the passionate emotions are the ones you feel the most...

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  So your intuition tells you there is a God, you admitted that your intuition is emotion. Emotions/Passion/Faith, are all one in the same while logical separates it. No matter how many equations you add, it's not logic that defines your belief of God, it's emotions/passion. Correct?

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    No...not really.

                    I have stated that my emotions play a part in my belief. They are not the entire and only reason I believe what I believe. Logic, rational thought, and scientific examination also play a big role in it.

    2. Beelzedad profile image54
      Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I can eat and relish Swiss Cheese, too.  wink

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      getmybackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      off to read it.

      billY

  3. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Mikel, I will read the hub and get back to you. Thanks.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
      Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      sure, I look forward to that debate.  smile

  4. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Mikel, I want to talk about this in sections of the hub. Here is the first few lines. You state that you use logic first before faith, however, the first few lines of the hub clearly shows you use faith before logic. If there is no proof of God, there is no logic of God. If there is no logical proof of God, there is only faith of God. Comfort/Emotion is not logical belief. It is faithful belief.


    "Logic takes me to where the proof ends, Faith takes me home"


    I believe in God because there is no Proof that God doesn't exist.

    The belief that God exists gives me comfort

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
      Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The first few lines I wrote as a topic overview of the hub. The placement there does not mean that is the order in which my beliefs came about. Or what importance they have.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Alright, i'm still reading. Here you are saying you have faith because it takes away your fear. These are emotions, more contradictions of logical belief.


        "My Feeling...My Faith
        The gentle peace that comes over me when I know God is near. The miracles I see, and the absence of fear."

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
          Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The section that deals with the emotional side is the section you are referencing, of course the emotions are talked about there.

          Faith in God gives comfort which does lessen fear. Having emotions does not however contradict the logic.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            They do. This is the point of logic, ruling out emotions to find truthful evidence rather than evidence that gives the most passion/emotions/comfort. God = Passion, correct?

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
              Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this



              not necessarily

              So why don't we talk about the 2/3's of the hub you skipped over that deals with the logic? Why are you wanting to skip ahead to the poem about feelings (which is a very small part of the hub) while ignoring all the logic?

              Is it because of your emotional need to dismiss the emotions?

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Why do you think I want to dismiss all emotions? I am simply saying the hub looks based mostly on emotions/faith/passion rather than logic.

                Saying you believe in God because God can't be ruled out is not logical evidence to believe in God. This is faithful evidence. Logic claims only what can be observed or defined. Logic does not jump to faithful assumptions to beleve and title your creation to God when you don't have the logical evidence. You have emotions of something you have no logical evidence of, yet claim it is based on logic. Again, logic separates emotions to find evidence.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image76
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Ok then this part of the hub:

                  The real Logical debate is, Can something exist without proof?

                  Can it?

                  in fact here is the entire statement from that section of the hub about this point of debate:

                  The real logical debate is can something exist that cannot be proven to exist.

                  The absolutely overwhelming answer is yes it can. Proof does not bring something into existence. Many things exist that we cannot prove exist. DNA existed millions of years ago, long before humanity could prove it. Or are you stating that DNA came into existence only after science was able to prove it existed?

                  Proving or disproving an unprovable entity exists, is not possible... yet. The only fallacy involved in believing in an unprovable concept is requiring proof in order to believe. If proof is required in order to believe, show me the proof that God doesn't exist.

                  Believing that God exists is not the same thing as believing that Christianity, or the Jews and Muslims for that matter, are correct about God and what God is. I cite Evolution as proof/evidence that a Creator (God) used Intelligent Design(DNA) to create life, life and life forms that get better over time.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    lol You are assuming a God does exist because it gives you comfort over the possibility that a God doesn't exist. This is not basis for logical belief. This is basis for a faithful belief. A logical belief doesn't jump to assumptions. Proof doesn't bring things into existence, but it brings them to a logical reality. Nothing you have brings your idea of God to a logical reality. What is your logical evidence that your idea of God started evolution? Evolution is proof of design, but it is only faithful assumptions to title the designer God. Logic doesn't know or claim to know who or what designed it to make them feel comfort.

 
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