does time exists?

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jomineposted 12 years ago
exist-something with physical presence, that is an object (which has shape) and location.
in that sense time does not exist.
do not agree?
please define "exist"
also please tell me what is time.
for time to contract and expand it should be "something", right?
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It is an open dimension within the properties of our universe.
  
  Exactly, that is why gravity and velocity have relative effects over time as they affect the physical properties of any object within a gravitational field, under acceleration or moving at different velocities.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Beel
  You will have to tell me what this "dimension" is then.
  A dimension is used to describe the orientation an object, and as I am aware of, there are only three dimensions- length, breadth and height. There is no 'space' for one more!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then, if we were to "describe the orientation of an object" how can we do so if the object is in motion relative to other objects if we only have those three dimensions?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What motion got to do anything with the orientation?
  Or are you asking about position?
  We use co-ordinates to describe that and they are longitude, latitude and altitude.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, we are talking about orientation because we are talking about objects moving in space, hence longitude, latitude and altitude have absolutely no meaning.
  
  We are talking about space-time coordinates.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You were saying in relation to another object. So it is co-ordinates. Neither space or time has neither orientation nor location(sorry I used position, I meant location), as they are not objects! If it is motion you want to indicate, it is vector.
  Which one you are talking about?
  Orientation is related to architecture of the object and hence is an intrinsic property of the object. It has no relation to motion or location of the object. Irrespective of the motion or location they are static.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are all your arguments based on semantics and definitions? Hilarious.
  
  LOL!
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hilarious??
  You think so??
  Language is the medium by which human beings convey ideas. But the common parlance cannot be used in science as each word contains so many meanings. Hence in science we DEFINE, to convey meaning consistently and unambiguously! If you are not able to define then you do not know what you are talking about!
  It is in religion and relativity where people define nothing, that they can create smoke screens, shift posts, and create straw man. Just ask a theist what his “god” is, he will never tell you.
  But that is not how we do in science. Science is the quest of humans, to explain Mother Nature! So all explanations are about reality, and, hence should be rational, that is, it should not be contradictory, nor should it “bend” reality.
  Try to define, that at least you will know what you are talking about!!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hilarious. You redefine words to suit your agenda rather than using their definitions. I can't believe you actually don't even own a dictionary.
  
  That is pretty much what you've been doing all along.
  
  It's clear you know little to nothing about science as you spin definitions and obsess about them.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you don't even know what a definition or why we define!!
  As you don't do it you can make concepts dilate or contract and make a living out of it, just like priests!
  Forgive me if I threatened your livelihood, but it is very difficult to accept when people spread irrationalities.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And you didn't answer the question!!
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  fundguruposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well this an interesting question. Mankind created time as a tool to measure and calculate many things.
  
  But if we have a closer look of what we measure with time, then it is probably only the change of energy.
  
  What does a sun clock? It measures the movement of the sun or well of our planet. So it is displaying somehow the energy or work that it is needed for the planet to move.
  
  What does a mechanic clock? It creates an impuls, mechanic work or well the energy to move the watch hand.
  
  What does a digital clock? It uses energy, an impuls to display the change of seconds, minutes, hours..
  
  What does an atom clock? It displays the energy change of a nuclear material.
  
  So in all cases time as we use it only displays the change of energy. If we then can express time as energy then maybe time is really relative, because it could be compensated with the input or change of energy.
  
  But we need time as a component in physics, so its an artficial tool that mankind created to be able to calculate.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse me!
  Isn't energy too a measurement tool?
  A non-existent concept?
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  Shahid Bukhariposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Existence Is ... to Exist Is to Be ... for any Certain Duration, in the State of Being ... The State of Being, Is the Human Awareness, of Being ... Mind ... we Perceive as our Experiential ... of "Life" ...
  
  For, Nothing Exists, Beyond The God Granted, Human Mind !
  
  The "Duration" of Being, is variously calculated, or kept a tab of; the one popular these days, is the "Clock" ... a Transience Measuring Mechanical or Electronic Device.
  
  In Quranic Law ... Matter, Space ... Time and Energy ... are "Generated by the "Form" ... In Manifesting unto The Ordained State of its Existential Reality ..."
  
  To Exist, Is, to Be !
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't spew educational forums with nonsense!!
  And don't be so conceited to think everything exists, just because you exist.
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  Shahid Bukhariposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If I could, I would say, please avoid reading me ...
  But there are others, besides yourself, who like to read what I say.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I read every answers to my post, that is why don't like nonsense!!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ah yes, the kettle calling the pot black.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you have no idea what is meant by "rational",and still you claim to do science, i can't even call you black!!
  Theists are much better as they claim their books are divinely inspired and their ancestors are wise than themselves!
  You are just calling an idiot, who wrote irrational notions, as your god, pitiful!
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Time existed before the big bang , otherwise there would have been no big bangtime is relative to a partcular point at a particular moment. Unlike light, time is not a constant. Time passes differently for each of us, as it does on the moon or any of the planets. Time can speed up, and time can slow down. Time can stop completely, or move in reverse. The weird thing is, is that this all occurs and most of us don't notice athing.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What is time, that you are so intend on slowing down?
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  qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ...time exists only in the "conscious" mind of conceiver.
  It's as simple as that.
  Qwark
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  time is a consequence of space like a dimension. your question is like this:
  is there a top? Is there a bottom?
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paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago
"does time exists?"

I'll need time to think about that...
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logic,commonsenseposted 12 years ago
Time is a human concept.
We are in the past, the present, and the future all at once.
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only the present exists. A second ago is gone, a second from now hasn't happened, and when it does, it is then, now. Past is gone forever, and the future is constantly arriving in the now.
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knolyourselfposted 12 years ago
Might say time only exists if there is memory, to compare the present to the past.
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optimus grimlockposted 12 years ago
way to deep for this early in the morning
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Scosgroveposted 12 years ago
I'd have to suggest reading up on J.M.E. McTaggart's "The Unreality of Time" and Arthur Prior's writings on "tense logic" and "the reality of the present."

From there, you can make up your own mind on which theory fits your understanding of the world.
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Jeramiposted 12 years ago
exist-something with physical presence, that is an object (which has shape) and location.

= = = = = =

ME
This is a statement that mankind (Not All of) has agreed upon OR we have been indoctrinated to believe that we agree upon.

And that could be right ???
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in that sense time does not exist.
do not agree?
please define "exist"
also please tell me what is time.
for time to contract and expand it should be "something", right?

- = - = -

By definition (stated in OP) Time doesn't exist ; I guess we have been indoctrinated that it does ? and
NOT depending upon who was doing the indoctrinating.
(Just kidding)

Just goes to show ,,, some things DOES exist that doesn't fit within our definitions and/or understandings.
And I think that is a truthful statement such as was stated.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Define exist then!
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ddsurfscaposted 12 years ago
time is a man made concept that is really a measurement of the distance of the orbit of our planet around the sun. Therefore it would seem to me that this measurement would vary from place to place being different. The past present and future is/has happened all at once, and can be seen if you know how to disconnect your learned perception of time.
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Sneha Sunnyposted 12 years ago
Well, in science, time is considered as a dimension just like length, breadth and height. And if you can't see anything or if anything doesn't have a shape then it doesn't means that it does not exist. For example, wind have you seen it??? but we know that it exist. and heat.....have you ever seen heat??? no.. but still we know it exist as we can feel it. these things also don't have any shape. similarly we can feel that time has passed. that means it exist. as time passes we grow, time passes and we remember all the memorable memories..... we talk about past, present and future. these past, present and future has no identity if time doesn't exist.
so in this way i don't believe that existence can be defined only on the basis of shape, physical appearance and location. it should be defined on the basis of feelings as well along with the above three.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well Sneha
  There are only three dimensions. A dimension is that denote the orientation, that is the architecture of an object. There are only three dimensions - length, breadth and height.
  It doesn't matter whether we see it or not. Sun exists whether I see it or not, right?
  
  "wind have you seen it??? but we know that it exist. and heat.....have you ever seen heat"
  Wind is a concept. Wind does not exist. What we call wind is the movement of air molecules. It is the air molecules that exist. So is the case with heat!
  "we talk about past, present and future."
  We talk about all these as we have memory. Only an intelligent brain with memory can conceive past present and future. For all else it is present only.
  Feelings have nothing to do with existence. existence exist irrespective of what you feel!
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  Sneha Sunnyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  first of all, time is considered as the fourth dimension in science.....you believe it or not.....
  secondly you said wind does not exist but air molecules do...... in this way you will say that human beings does not exist only cells do....because we are nothing but constitution of cells only..... so do you think human beings doesn't exist???? air molecule individually is just a single molecule but together they constitute wind. similarly cell constitutes human or any other organism. similar is in the case of heat. so if molecules exist then wind, with no doubt exist...... and if not then you can't say human beings exist.
  lastly, the concept of past, present and future is totally based on time...... past is the TIME that is gone, present is the TIME that is currently going on and future is the TIME which is going to come......
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The fourth dimension of time is required if we are to understand the orientation of the sun relative to the solar system, our planets and moons and it's position within our galaxy as these objects are in constant motion.
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  Sneha Sunnyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  whatever be the case but time is considered is a dimension, the 4th dimension.. like in two dimensions only length and breadth is considered not height.... but that doesn't means that height is not a dimension.... similarly in one dimension only length is considered...
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just because you consider only one or two dimensions, the other dimensions don't cease to exist. Every object has form that is a shape. Everything with shape has 3 dimensions. Nothing exists that has less than 3 or more than 3 dimensions! You can draw a picture that is 2 dimensional, but it is just that, a picture, not an object.
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where are you drawing said picture if it is not a material object? Does sound exist? Sound doesn't conform to what your criteria demands at all, but sound is a form of force energy. Sound can be used as a weapon. It definitely exists.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sound does not exist. Sound is a wave, a to and fro motion of air molecules which is conducted through air, which when strike our eardrum, makes it vibrate, which is transmitted through a set bones to fluid which stimulates our nerves, which reach our brain and we interpret it as sound!
  "sound is a form of force"
  A force is done by something, "to force"
  "Sound can be used as a weapon"
  It definitely can, as it is matter in motion!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It truly is amazing the examples you provide of what one can do and accomplish with something that doesn't exist.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you don't even read well?
  {sound is a form of force"
  
  "Sound can be used as a weapon"}
  These are not my words!!
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  Sneha Sunnyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  yes, time is not considered to form/explain the shape of an object but it is the fourth dimension!!!!!
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If there is no form, then there is no dimension, as dimension is used to represent "orientation". It is architectural.
  If it is location you want to specify then it is co-ordinates you have to use.
  Time is a concept that is used to denote two locations of an object.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Then, what is used to denote one location of an object?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You start studying once again. You use the same word for different contexts you confuse, hence all your time dilation, length contraction and space expansion.
  A location is denoted by co-ordinates, not dimension!!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is an object's location based entirely on one co-ordinate?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, get yourself right. 3 co-ordinates.
  You don't differentiate between dimension and co-ordinate, length, distance and distance traveled and use all interchangeably.
  No wonder your "science" is ..counterintuitive.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I never thought I would see this day...but yeah
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  you really are not seeing it are you? Like I see that it is not really sinking in.
  
  The intelligent brain is experiencing time, it is not creating time in his head. We measured the experience of space in increments of the unfolding events and called it time. But the events are unfolding, they are not happening concurrently but rather in a sequence as we move outward out into space.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is just philosophical nonsense coupled with flawed logic and specious claims. Talk about not really sinking in...
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Beel, did you not understand something within her statement?
  
  Time is like Reality. It exists outside of humankind. We can measure it, therefore it exists. It's not that difficult to understand.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Evidently, it is.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What is space?
  Space is our conceptualization of "nothing". Only an idiot indoctrinated in relativity will say "nothing" expands, "something" arises from "nothing" and such nonsense.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  time has no dimension, it IS a dimension.
  
  how much does weight weigh sort of question.
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Cecilia:)
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Druid!
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The concept of "weight" only has meaning within a gravitational field in which one object's gravity potential is being compared to another within the same field.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  yes, and your comment has no relevance to the point. as usual.
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it was relevant, it explained your dilemma of "weighing weight" as being rather redundant.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  you just explained a joke. you do not explain a joke. how much does weight weigh is a demonstration of the logic flaw of "does time exist?" time is a measurement of something, does it exist? does it exist as what? it is a measurement of a dimension of space as it is experienced. without space, time cannot be experienced, so does time exist?
  
  the question is wrong.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean by dimension then?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  a descriptor, an attribute, an aspect wherein x is experienced.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, In Science nothing is experienced. Experience is the subject of neurologist and psychiatrist.
  All we do is rationally explain.
  
  "dimension of space as it is experienced"
  Only objects has dimension. The three dimensions are length, breadth and height. Space is nothing, nor it has any shape or borders. Hence it has no dimension.
  Time is what we use to describe the two locations of an object. Hence it need minimum two objects to have time and a device with memory to remember the previous location.
  Time is a concept, conceived by intelligent brain!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  *shakes head* the experience of time as well as space is a dimension. Because if you cannot experience time for instance, you will not know that today is different from yesterday, just as you cannot tell depth from width. It is the experience of the HUMAN that makes dimension relevant.
  
  It takes some level of clarity to understand that everything is qualified by OUR observation because from another level of perception, things are actually quite different.
  
  The absolutes you think you know is an experience of your perception.
  
  Science is all about what we experience, the experience of gravity, the experience of the season, the experience of love, of pain and so on and so forth. You need to have MORE clarity.
  
  Like for instance calling something a "concept". Do you even know what a concept is? A concept is an understanding as it is experienced.
  
  Like for instance the concept of size, or numbers. They all are dependent on how they are experienced by the senses where a certain structure becomes the framework of the experience...you get? DO you get it?
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, it isn't. Our experiences have nothing to do with dimensions or making them relevant.
  
  Nonsense, our perceptions have nothing to do with qualifying our observations. The observations qualify themselves.
  
  Codswollop.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well there's nothing I could do for you my dear.
  
  Alas I try, but you really need to get you x/y axis in comprehension seen. You often get lost in the corn maze.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Experience or why the observer observed something is the subject of relativity nonsense. The sun exists whether you experience it or not.
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  superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't neurologists considered scientists?!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  yes, thank you for pointing it out. I need to go back to work.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, If you want. They are trying to figure out the workings of human brain, not nature.
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  superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The human brain is a product of nature. what are you talking about?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are not equating any bigbang or objects or concepts in neuroscience.
  In neuroscience we study why a human being think and act like he is, which part of brain is responsible for what, what structural defects cause behavioral abnormalities and like.......
  Yes it too is a science as it is also trying to rationally explain the workings of matter, but in general when we say science we mean physics!
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  superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "All science is either physics or stamp collecting".
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we can "see" what makes up our atmosphere and the reasons how it moves about.
  
  Yes, we can see how molecules move faster when temperature (or pressure) increases.
  
  No, physically we can't, which is why we need to refer to clocks and calendars.
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The Jetposted 12 years ago
Aging is proof of time. As well as plants growing and the like.
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Each moment is the same moment, replayed, each one different, yet, the same.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well answered
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prettydarkhorseposted 12 years ago
time exists even though it is a concept. It has a name (one to one correspondence between a thought and a word assigned to it) so it exists in thoughts only. It is not tangible or can be seen, nor can be justified by experiential/phenomenology.
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Home Girlposted 12 years ago
On my end it stops between 10am and 7pm, after that it starts ticking again. Works the same every day.
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seanorjohnposted 12 years ago
Yes it does when you are having the time of your life. But, remember time waits for no man. So, as a timely reminder, I would suggest it is time for action.
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Jeramiposted 12 years ago
exist-something with physical presence, that is an object (which has shape) and location.

= = = = = =

ME
This is a statement that mankind (Not All of) has agreed upon OR we have been indoctrinated to believe that we agree upon.

And that could be right ???
=========================================================
in that sense time does not exist.
do not agree?
please define "exist"
also please tell me what is time.
for time to contract and expand it should be "something", right?

- = - = -

By definition (stated in OP) Time doesn't exist ; I guess we have been indoctrinated that it does ? and
NOT depending upon who was doing the indoctrinating.
(Just kidding)

Just goes to show ,,, some things DOES exist that doesn't fit within our definitions and/or understandings.
And I think that is a truthful statement such as was stated.

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Define exist then!

=m= - - = - ?

Now that is a sad state of affairs .... when we can't agree as to what the word exist or time means....

Yep "we have cone a long way baby!"

No wonder I am causing so much war and conflict around the world;
Ain't that right MARK ?
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We are ruled by time, it is always running out. The end comes all too fast, and we waste way too much of it. We spend 1/3 of our lives (average) sleeping, a third of our lives working (average) and a 1/3 of our lives waiting for something. Time exists, and if you aren't quick enough, time runs out for you, then you will know how important time was to you.
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Ayman Nisarposted 12 years ago
Time is like a river. It flows and continues to flow. It never stops for someone. It passes and we see. Either we can use it or ignore it. It's upto us that we that it exits if we use it properly and even think it does not just by denying it.....
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ceciliabeltranposted 12 years ago
an example of a one-dimensional person would someone who has one interest. One who is flat, boring, dull. He is interested 1950s highschool science for instance, that's it that's all. But his descriptor is not what he is, only what describes him, get it?
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  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, oh, oh!!! Pick me, pick me!!! I know the answer to that one!!!
  
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  ceciliabeltranposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  (oh and to explain the joke just because I'm sure you won't understand... the question was ...does he get it?)
  so even if I pick you what will you say..yes? no? how can you know if he gets it or not?
  
  always missing the point by a degree or two, and that's being generous.
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spotlight19posted 12 years ago
Well time dopes exist it is part of life but sometimes it governs all of us people I can say time is used in a variety of different ways it can be good or bad it is also something that keeps us organized.
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