Why is the media, gangsta rap, horror movies to blame for the 71?

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  1. brittvan22 profile image74
    brittvan22posted 11 years ago

    How does one blame the media, gangsta rap, horror movies, the Easter bunny, God, the devil, Hunts Ketchup, seemingly everyone, but the killer? Like it or not gangsta rap, the media, horror movies, Hell the Joker, for that matter, did not communally participaate in this heinous act, it was James Holmes alone. There is a thing called choice and freedom. To live in this world you can choose to do right or you can choose to do wrong, either way its your choice. If you want to blame someone start with the actual killer. If you want to examine something examine your own life in light of the events. Thats a cop out! Its sad that he choose this way to tell his story and my heart is heavy for the victims as well as his family members. Maybe capitalism is in part a factor, but that is a systematic problem for a lot of people, who have not chose to pick up a gun and literally gun down innocent people. His story will unfold no doubt, but before you go burn your tv (fellow elder hubber), think am I cutting off my finger to spite my hand?

    1. DS Duby profile image82
      DS Dubyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I can't argue with that, it's my feelings exactly. To many people are quick to blame just because they don't agree with something. it's nothing but a sign of their own ignorance to human behavior. they are the sheep following their Shepard and that's it. I personally think with my own mind I' m wrong sometimes but I learn from it I will never be the guy standing in the corner saying that wouldn't of happened if they didn't listen to rap music, that's just pure ignorance. Just for the record though my dog just crapped on the neighbors lawn while a car was driving by playing rap music so surely the rapper playing on the radio in the car is responsible for the mess. lol Some people are crazy our music and choice in movies have nothing to do with it1

      1. brittvan22 profile image74
        brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

        I wish I could vote up your answer, lol. I know then she goes on to hub about the debate. For me, it makes me think that she maybe lacking in control of her children or family, because people that want to start fights for ridiculous reason that have no merit (her arguement was weak and baseless) then it shows me personal power is missing in their every day life. So, they blame everyone (relevant and irrelevant) and everything for their miseries. That is what I surmise and for me (a very direct person) passive aggressive behavior merits no one not even the one with the issue. Things should be talked out and resolved and if the assalant expressed more (just a hunch) and not let things build up, we might not have had a movie shooting. I find it very convenient we was studying behaviors of the mentally ill, no doubt he will plead insanity. His plan was so well thought out, I would have to hear his story to believe it. For me, it takes more than dyeing your hair red and calling yourself the Joker for insanity. Plenty of people everyday make questionable hair decisions mimicking a celeb. (example) Women were shaving one side of their head bald to mimic celebs, are they insane, too. I think not. People that cover themselves in tats and do strange piercing, are they also insane? We are all responsible for our own actions, so why are we blaming others we have the right to buy cable and tvs or not, but don't be quick to blame others for your own crimes, that is unless you have valid proof that make sense to a judge and jury.

  2. rcrumple profile image77
    rcrumpleposted 11 years ago

    I think it's hard for some to believe a person could perform such an act without some sort of outside influence.  Rock and rap has been blamed for suicides, murders and rapes for years.  Funny, there's no killings, suicides or rapes in the country or classical music genres...or, is there?  Movies have been violent in nature since the first major slasher movie, "Halloween" hit the theaters in the late 70's (I know, there were others before, but this was the hardest hitter of its time).  People are quick to blame the parents, which may not be totally wrong since environmental conditioning can play a big part as attitudes and behavorial patterns are initiated at home.  Or, is society, in general, at blame for throwing all it entails at someone not ready to handle the load?  All these possibilities makes it easy to forget there are those that just don't value human life.  Prisons are filled with this type.  Unfortunately, they don't get there until they've already harmed their victims.  With the meticulous planning of this event, the chemicals and weapons procurred well in advance, and the booby trapping of his apartment, I think it's going to take more than orange hair and shouting "I'm The Joker" to get this killer (harsh, but that's what he is) off on a plea of insanity.  And, who is ultimately to blame?  As an adult the accountability lies solely in his corner.  There is no one else the dead can blame.

    1. brittvan22 profile image74
      brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, I am just disheartened that during this tragedy, someone uses the pen to fight not the injustice (maybe she thought she was), but to vilify others. I think there are environmental factors that can plant the seed, but ultimately its your decision to do right or wrong. Many people grow up in urban settings and become doctors, lawyers, and never kill anyone, because they know they have the personal power to do right or wrong. For me, she could have anything relevant to the subject and I would have supported her efforts, (even if she had said we should be more careful who we give guns to). Don't exactly know what more you can do with that, all his guns were legal, maybe give psyche evaluations to those buying guns, I dunno. This for me, is a communal heart, a time we do not have all the answers, we should unite, not divide ourselves. For me, during tragedy there is a need for expression, sorrow, for people to be there for one another and a need for answers, which we don't have. We should be comforting one another, thankful it wasn't use, and trying to see if the tragedy can be avoided in the future. For me, the banter on the media, horror movies, and rap music is ridiculous. Thats like me killing ten people because I saw someone past by me with a red shirt and say people shouldn't wear red shirts it reminds me of blood and that meant they had to die, ridiculous.

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    Emer420posted 11 years ago

    I agree with this completely.  It is personal choice that can be blamed and not movies, or music, or books an what not.  Someone does not just go out and shoot someone because Spongebob dropped a crabby patty, or Marylin Manson wrote a song called "Disposable Teens".  There is something deeper going on in that persons head.  There are psychological problems dwelling inside there that aren't treated and they explode and people get hurt.  I, as a teen, was a very angry person and could have gone out and killed a bunch of people, but I chose not to and I went out and put all my anger into my artwork, and writing.  Now, all that anger, and resentment for life, is out of reach and I'm a much happier person.  It depends on the person and what they choose to do with their problems.  Some people throw paint on a canvas, some write down their feeling in a journal, some sit down and tell people how they feel, and some hold it in for years and then it explodes and they end up hurting people, or even killing them.  People are so quick to blaming movies, music, and other things.  There is no reason for this.  That piece of artwork might be someone Else's way of taking that violence that is in them and using it in a responsible way.  Even Emimen, I don't really like him but he's a good example, didn't actually tie up his wife, through her in a trunk, and drive off a bridge; he wrote it down on a piece of paper and let people know how he felt so he wouldn't do it.  I wish people would just get over themselves and let the universe spin the way it's going to spin.

    1. brittvan22 profile image74
      brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Very well said, need to vote this answer up 2, personal responsibility, not the blame game is needed. Thanks for your input and adding your broad stroke to this issue.

      1. Will Apse profile image89
        Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Personal responsibility is a wonderful excuse for the lazy and the scared. The guy was crazy, everything is fine in our world, nothing needs to be thought about, examined or changed.

        Phew! Back to the same old same, same old.

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          Emer420posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Personal responsibility is not an excuse.  Some have it, some don't.  People need to live their own lives and stop making a big fuss because of something someone else did.  Yes they didn't have to do that, and yes a lot of innocent lives were lost, however, has anyone looked into the person's life yet?  Has anyone looked to see if there was something they were trying to say with this act or violence?  Our country kills thousands of people a day to try to make a statement.  But this kid is made out to look like the devil because he killed  less than 20. People are payed by our country to go out and kill people, payed to be trained to know nothing but murder, payed to drop bombs on innocent women and children just because we want their oil.  Yet, this kid is the biggest story the news can come up with?  Personal responsibility isn't an excuse.  Some people just don't have the luxury of having it sometimes because they were never taught to have it.

          1. brittvan22 profile image74
            brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            CHURCH! EMER! I couldn't agree with you more. Murder under the guise of patriotism is accepted, but it promotes hatred and its sad to see the affects. Many soldiers (not all) suffer understandable once they return home. PTSS is a real thing, I have first hand talked to Vets, as a chaplain about how being involved in wars has affected their everyday life. Its hard to go from survival mode to a normal life where those skills are not utilized daily, its similar to the adjustment prisoners make from prison to society. Also like you said some don't have personal responsibility, because they were never taught it and some learn the hard way. I have seen so much as a chaplain and I still think ultimately we all have a choice to do good or bad, but the color in each story individually speaking differs. I'm going to check out some of your blogs, you are very well versed in your understanding.

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              Emer420posted 11 years agoin reply to this

              Be prepared.  Some of my hubs are very violent and scary.  Haha.  But I am glad someone on here agrees with me.  smile

              1. brittvan22 profile image74
                brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Thats cool, I love expression and I commend you on using it as an outlet instead of taking the other road. I am always an advocate of healthy expression over murder, suicide, etc.

        2. brittvan22 profile image74
          brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          An excuse, not hardly, who do you presume we lock up for the crime, the reporters? No, wait, every person that raps, no wait the actors in hollywood, right? Wrong, ultimately none of them put the gun in his hand and instructed him to shoot, he did that all on his own. Since the gun didn't magically go off all on its own, can't even blame the gun. If I thought in your manner, no criminals would be punished only those who appeared to be responsible, (never felt so revealed to have a justice system, even if it is greatly flawed.) As you sit in your perfect quiet world and hear the tweety birds chirp in your ear bear in mind that the person next two you is not caught up in that same delusion. And no one is just crazy, there are reasons for certain actions, they might not make much sense to a sain person, but none the less there are reasons. Maybe you should stick to the bubble (wouldn't want to shatter your utopia, you have obviously set a lot of stock into creating your bubble, the rest of humanity knows that things are not so black and white.) SN love what you have done with the place reminds me of leave it to beaver, however, we do have to address these situations in the REAL WORLD (not just the tv show) the actual place, where we all reside. No matter how much I disagree with you, thanks for your two cents.

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            Emer420posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That was said better than I said it.  smile  Thank you .

          2. Will Apse profile image89
            Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Personally, I would wait for the police report, then the trial and then a measured analysis of what happened.

  4. DS Duby profile image82
    DS Dubyposted 11 years ago

    Emer420 And brittvan22 I commend you both on your intelligence and not following the herd of followers that are always looking to blame everyone else for their life's misery.

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      Emer420posted 11 years agoin reply to this


    2. brittvan22 profile image74
      brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Aww thanks. The feeling is mutual! Teamtruthandreality.

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    AaronHubb89posted 11 years ago

    Yeah, and I'm sick of people saying we need to rethink our gun laws because of this incident. I'm sorry, the desire is a noble one, but the criminals never obey the laws anyway. If someone wanted to get a gun and shoot people, if he is truly that screwed up in the head, then he would have found a way. For crying out loud you can go on the internet and look up how to make a bomb out of home products. Guns and other such weapons are not killing people, its those who wield the weapons that choose what to do with it. Honestly, if we were all permitted to carry openly, there would be a lot less crime in my mind only because people wouldn't be getting mugged, shot at the counter, why should we tip the balance into the favor of criminals? Because like I said, if there is a will there's a way, and they always find a way to get contraband. We need to re-think our gun-laws and start doing an extensive background check on who is applying. Maybe only people with military, police, and/or security background should be permitted to carry, I don't know! But we need to start judging the killer the weapon.

    You put up a good discussion though, all this blaming is a cop out to...well...I'm not really sure. But good discussion.

    1. brittvan22 profile image74
      brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you when so many lives have been lost people are thinking about gun control and playing the blame game, maybe it makes life in the bubble comfortable, but I will be here standing in the real world, and when they decide to join the rest of us, I will welcome them. I have lost 3 VIPs in 3 months, life is a precious gift and it is unfortunate when someone loses their lives for what seems like no apparent reason or rhyme. I think the blame game is like chasing your tail, gets you no where. I think the guilty should pay for their crimes and not others. You do the crime you do the time, I hope he speaks soon. For me, I want to know why? I can speculate it was his way of exacting revenge on a capitalist society that slowly, but surely striped him of his humanity, but thats only speculation, and in my opinion not a good enough reason (if there is a such thing.) We will see how it unfolds, but for me, my hope is we cherish those we love each day and not let a day place when you do not tell someone you love and appreciate them.

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        AaronHubb89posted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah, life is a precious gift we all take for granted. Last October when I woke up in a hospital bed after spending 10 days in a coma from going into cardiac arrest, I realized that I can never "let the sun set on my wrath" as the Bible puts it, but I will never leave my home or go to bed angry with any of my loved ones, I will always try and mend any hurt...because nothing can repair the words never spoken to the ones we never got to say goodbye to...I'm just blessed by God that I had been given a second chance.

        1. brittvan22 profile image74
          brittvan22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Wow, thats an awesome story. I totally agree with you.

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    Gypsy Rose Leeposted 11 years ago

    There will always be someone and something to blame. However I do think that movies, TV and videos about horrid crimes and things do influence in the fact that they make the imagination so much more active. A weak mind just has to be fed with all this power stuff and you never know what can happen.


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