What was wrong with Kim Kardashian-West’s latest nude selfie?

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   Misfit Chickposted 9 years ago

   
   (Sorry, but since this image has already blasted to every corner of the media days ago; this photo is a reminder for discussion purposes.)
   
   What makes Kim Kardashian’s nude selfie inappropriate, offensive and misogynistic?
   
   Because while some people – probably mostly men – wouldn’t mind spending some extra private time during their morning bathroom routine thinking about the newest Kim Kardashian nude selfie while treating their bodies like an amusment park; most of us would rather not have started the day with that graphic image randomly-torturing our brains. All. day. long.
   
   Really... I opened my Twitter page and it was three images down in my list. I cringed and made a barf sound, then moved on... But then, fighting started out; so things continued for a while.
   
   Think about it… If you are living with other people (aside from your husband); when do you EVER walk around buck naked in front of them while casually remarking that you have the ‘girl problem’ of having nothing to wear?
   
   Oh, I’m sure there are a few of you out there… but for the most part, NO… You wrap a robe around yourself or throw on an old t-shirt and the same yoga pants you wore yesterday - until you can get a cup of coffee inside of you so that you can figure it out. We don't even take a nude selfie to send to our best girlfriends about the conundrum - although we might send one to a boyfriend, right?
   
   So why send one out to the whole wide world - especially as many times as both she and her beloved husband have proliferated her body and sexuality in that way?
   
   We are all well-aware of how proud Kim Kardashian-West is about absolutely every aspect of her life – because she shares herself constantly while charging for it. Really. You have to PAY to read her blog – that probably isn’t really being written by her, for the most part. But, you can also choose to take advantage of the 7-day free trial deal she has going on.
   
   Lucky for us, tabloids have access to her blog and have been able to stir up publicity about her righteous response to 'haters': http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celeb … 98911.html
   
   I never understand why people get so bothered by what other people choose to do with their lives,” she writes.
   
   I could care less about her choices - UNTIL they affect me and mine. Is that so bad?
   
   It seems to me that Kim is trying to portray herself as an enlightened Mother Theresa who is finally embracing her 'womanhood' and budding sexuality - now that she considers the internet to be her bedroom.
   
   What do you think... Is this kind of behavior empowering to Kim, her daughter and her fans as she claims? Are the people who complain about it really 'body-shamers' or 'slut shamers' as she accused them of being in her pay-per-blog response?

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   calculus-geometryposted 9 years ago

   If you are aggravated by much of pop culture (Twilight, 50 Shades, Kardashians, etc.) then quit exposing yourself to it.  The time you spend on social media and the Internet being offended and annoyed could be spent doing profitable freelance work or creating art or reading a book. Learn how to disengage.

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      Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for knowing what else I write about and for the ignorant response. THIS is why I don't ignore what is going on in social media - because *I* actually CARE about what is going on with our girls (believe me, I wish I didn't).
      
      It is people like you who keep enabling people like Kim, Stephenie Meyer and EL James. SINCE WHEN did sexual abuse because a lighthearted topic to pass off?!! <link snipped>
      

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         calculus-geometryposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         You're projecting your own issues onto the anonymous mass entity of 'other people.'  A new crop of exhibitionists pops up every decade as the old one succumbs to gravity. There are always some 'dangerous' books topping the best seller lists.
         
         Having a crappy family life (total absent parents, being raised by elderly grandparents,  parents in a cult,  ultra-religious parents, abusive parents, bouncing around foster homes, homelessness etc) is what makes teenage girls and boys make bad choices and develop unhealthy obsessions, not pop culture garbage. 
         
         If you see yourself on a mission to help kids, start with your own children first.  If you are childless, find ways to help at-risk kids have shelter and care. 
         
         Crusading against vulgar pop culture is not helping at-risk children. I suspect it is only a way for you to work out your own issues from the past.

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            Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            That is quite a judgement you have against me. I can only imagine that you are a huge fan of these people.
            
            I'm not crusading against 'vulger pop culture'. Just Twilight because it was negligently published by 'professional' publishers for little girls - which caused all the 'accidental' over-obsessions. And then it was turned from fanfiction into Fifty Shades of Abuse because of those obsessions.
            
            I went off on Kim Kardashian because I thought it was a good rant to go off on. All around the web this subject is being talked about. The reason why we talk about these things (and write about them) is so that good information can go out at the same time bad information does. MOST women would want to correct a stunt like this by speaking out. Not for Kim's sake in order to 'stop' her; but for her many young fans so that they can see HOW she is NOT being a 'free-spirited feminist'.
            
            But, for some reason, it is 'wrong' to bring it up here. Oh well.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   Dear Misfit Chick,
   If society did not give her a pass, she would not do it. She is an exhibitionist, pure and simple. We encourage such behavior, we do not stop it. It should be stopped. It is abuse of freedom of speech.
   It is abuse of women and their dignity. Thank you for speaking up.
   
   THANKS FOR NOTHING, MRS. WEST!
   
   Her husband should really set her straight: Exhibitionists Anonymous ... or something!!!!

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      Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I don't pay much attention to that group but even knowing as little as I do about them I did have to laugh at this part. Her husband probably suggested she do it.

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   I think she's an attention-seeker to the nth degree and I try to avoid her and her clan at all costs, but if she wants to post a naked picture of herself on the Internet, that's her prerogative. 
   
   I'm not sure why a woman posing nude is inherently misogynistic as you suggest - surely part of respecting women is respecting their freedom to choose what they do with their own bodies and not shame them for it?  It's not something I'd do myself and I think her kids will be mortified to come across that as teenagers, but if she feels it's empowering her in some way then, hey, it is her body and I don't have any interest in sitting here and bashing her for it. 
   
   I'm also not sure why that image "torments" you or causes you such discomfort and ignites such disgust - I think that reaction is probably just as harmful as any.

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      Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I responded to all those 'whys' in my opening discussion of this question - I had reasons. Pretty good ones from my perspective. If you want to discuss what was wrong with my reasoning from your perspective - cool. Judging me to be 'as bad as her' because I have an opinion about it is uncool.

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   Well from my perspective you didn't explain much of anything at all.  You said it's inappropriate, offensive, and misogynistic but then went on to spend three paragraphs explaining your own personal feelings of basically just not wanting to see it, followed by some weird insinuation that normal women don't walk around naked, followed by calling her self-involved (which I would agree with but don't think it's particularly relevant to the level of inappropriateness, offensiveness, or misogyny of the photo or the conversation it stirs up).
   
   I'm also not judging you.  I don't know you.  I'm saying that cringing/barfing/being tormented by seeing a picture of a woman naked (with censors, I might add) doesn't send a particularly great message to women, either.

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   Alternative Primeposted 9 years ago

   Um....To answer your Question......Absolutely NOTHING -------> <-------
   
   However, until we as a Collective Society Reject MINDLESS "Publicity Stunters" like Kim, she and others like her will continue to Prosper ~

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   Live to Learnposted 9 years ago

   I disagree with Alternative Prime in that there is nothing wrong with it. Because there is something very wrong with it. Not to adults. We can shake our head at her vapidity, we can rail against the inappropriate nature of it, we can simply not pay attention to it (my favorite choice) or (if we are men) we can enjoy the view.
   
   The problem is that it isn't adults following her or her sister's antics. It's mostly kids and young adults. She is leading the charge to believe that looks are all that matters. If you have a good body, you have it made. She represents seeking fame for fame's sake; without offering anything of value along the way. I have no idea what she offers to the world, other than this type of thing. To be able to make millions simply by pushing the bounds of common decency is odd to me.
   
   I feel for people raising young girls.

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      Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      If this was in the Q & A section, I would choose it as the best answer. Well said, and thanks.

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      Alternative Primeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Well "Live to Learn", last I checked, unlike Donald TRUMP, I'm certainly a MAN and do enjoy a view which I find Attractive and I'm sure you enjoy the "View" of a MAN which you might find Alluring.......In your Capitalistic Society, the ONLY way to get this kind of "Stuff" to Disappear is to Turn the Channel OFF....Otherwise it stays......
      
      P.S. ~ Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Sophia Loren and countless other Women of History have Posed in Far More Graphic Photos than Kim's ~ Many are regarded "Cultural ICONS" ~

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         Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Kind of a cheap shot on Trump. I think I addressed the fact that men probably enjoy the view. I am, and have always been, of the mind that if a woman shows it she wants it to be seen. Nothing wrong with obliging her.

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            Alternative Primeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            lol ~ If anyone DESERVES a Cheap SHOT X 7 MILLION it's CON-Man Trump who is now caught DEFENDING himself AGAINST at least 5,000 Americans in a Class Action Law SUIT who say the "Donald" Swindled them out of Millions for Operating a Phony Unlicensed University ~
            
            As usual, I urge everyone to Check it Out themselves ~ As for KIM, STOP looking and she will Disappear into the KNIGHT ~ ~ Me personally? I can take her or leave her just like M. Monroe, J. Mansfield, however I do have a Soft Spot for SOPHIA  L. considering she was BORN in the same Earthly Vicinity as my Ancestors plus she has what the others don't have, BRAINs which I find just as attractive as Physical attributes ~ ~

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               Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Sophia L? How old is your picture?

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                  Alternative Primeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  My Picture is current within a couple years, I basically look the same now, but I'm basing my OPINION on Sophia's entire Life Span ~ ~ Old Films, Newer Films, and even today  in her 80's, I think she SHINEs Bright in every way ~ I don't discriminate when it comes to AGE, and right now, she's much much OLDER than me but that's O.K. ~
                  
                  There is absolutely NO Comparison nor Similarities between Her & Kim except of course for some Nude Frames floating around which is no big DEAL in Europe ~

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                     gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Of course not, Ms. Loren has BEAUTY & TALENT while Kim has looks but little or no discernible talent.  Yes, Kim is a savvy businesswoman.  She has the knack of marketing  & selling herself.  Kim and the Kardashians are brands........Mama has seen to that!
                     

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   Why does a woman posing without clothes have to mean that's suddenly all that she's worth, or that she's saying it's all that matters?  Did we shame Biebs for posing nude?  Did we say he should value his brain and talent more than his dick, or that he was telling young boys their bodies are all that matters?  No, because I don't think anyone assumed that his nakedness was an automatic override of everything else he possesses.  Why make that assumption with women?  Why does a woman posing nude have to mean "THIS IS WHAT I VALUE THE MOST!  THIS IS NOW WHAT DEFINES ME!!!!"?
   
   I actually think this is a great time to be raising young girls!  Feminism is alive and well, and while we clearly have different ideas as to how equality can be accomplished, we all ultimately want the same thing.  Girls have more opportunities than they've ever had and I see it only getting better as my daughter grows up.  Give me women posting naked selfies on social media over a lack of freedom and choice for my daughter any day. 
   
   Yes, I believe 10000% that we should be teaching young girls that they are more than their bodies and their appearance.  Partly so that things like this aren't such a big deal.  So that my daughter might see this photo and be confident that the message is not "your body is all that matters."  So that she can shrug it off instead of having it affect her in any major way, whether that's feeling like she has to get naked to be important or whether that's feeling like she needs to judge someone and be appalled by their choice to show their body.   As is evident by the reactions, this photo affects people in entirely different ways.  I'm going to choose to focus on how my daughter would react to this rather than be upset about someone not being a perfect role model.  Because not everyone in her life is going to be a perfect role model and they shouldn't have to be.

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      Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think you have personally decided somewhere along the line that you just plain 'ol don't like me and are going to find something wrong with any of my opinions just to be an opposing view. Neat.

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         Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Because my opposing POV could not possibly be based on anything other than a personal dislike for you?  Thank you for utterly dismissing something that I actually feel quite passionately about. 
         
         I have seen you around in Q&A and tend to agree with your opinions on most things.  This and the FSOG topics appear to be exceptions.  I don't dislike you (again, I don't know you), up until this post right here I'd actually be inclined to say I did like you quite a bit.

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            Misfit Chickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, okay - so you are a fan of these people and Twilight/FSoG in particular? That would explain a lot. I make a heated comment about this is another thread that we are arguing on. We'll see what you have to say about that. On my way there now.

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               Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               I said in my first post that I don't like Kim Kardashian and I said in the other thread that I think FSOG is garbage... so, no, I don't like these particular things.  But that doesn't mean I vehemently oppose them in every way and on every level, either.

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      Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sorry that you saw it in that light. I didn't mean it that way. But, I will say Biebs came to fame with something other than an X rated home movie and has offered his talent to the world. I don't know what this woman's talent is. If she has one, it has not been offered to us.
      
      As I said. I don't follow her or her antics. It is impossible to completely avoid any information concerning her constant grasping for the spotlight. I just don't see anything else about her, other than constantly pushing her body into the spotlight.  Could you tell me what else she has offered us? It would be helpful.
      
      
      
      I agree that the opportunities for women are now as limitless as they have been for men. My only reason for that comment was that young girls are constantly bombarded by advertising that seeks to make them feel that they aren't enough; just with who they are. That they need make up and boobs and skimpy clothes. That sex is what is being sold to them 24-7 and they are so much more than that. It is hard to help a teenager be themselves when all most want to do as a teen is fit in and be popular. What Kardashian is selling is that. Not anything more important.

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         Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Kim Kardashian has quite a successful fashion line, but honestly, I think she is mostly out for fame and attention.  I still don't really think it's fair to say that her message here was "all that matters is what you look like" as she's said herself she found it empowering... and I'm not going to argue her motives because I don't know her.  At the end of the day I just don't find a woman consensually posting a picture of her own body to be terribly offensive and I'm glad that some women found it empowering, too.
         
         I get what you're saying about young girls being targeted with body/sex/appearance stuff that can be quite scary.  At the same time, I think that's part of the reason I'm feeling like it's important to defend the rights of a woman to do what she wants with her body, even if it's posting a nude selfie.  Because it just isn't that big of a scandal when a guy does it and making it a big deal when a woman does is just putting more emphasis on what girls should or shouldn't be doing with their bodies, if that makes sense.

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            Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Yes. That makes sense. Although I do think women are more prone to post a selfie that is nude than a guy. Although, honestly, that's only because people tend to talk about women when they do it (i.e. Kardashian). I didn't know Biebs had done that.
            
            I think we are simply looking at it from the viewpoint of kids. I don't think whether she poses nude, or not, could affect either of us. If you don't mind my asking, do you have any? Are they teens? Not that it matters. We all have the right to an opinion. I'm simply curious if you do have teenage daughters how do you discuss such as this with them? Or, do you? (If you've covered this territory in another post, just point me in that direction. I haven't read all the way through the thread.

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               Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               I think Biebs is actually a repeat offender.    But as you said, it doesn't get as much attention...which is where I see the problem.  I don't think women deserve more judgment on any issue than a man gets.
               
               I have a daughter but she's only 4.  I'm not going to sit here and pretend that my opinions on things won't change when she gets older.  I have no idea if they will.  I just do my best to form logical opinions on issues with the experience and knowledge that I have now!  I can understand where you're coming from with your views on this as well.

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                  Live to Learnposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Maybe Biebs doesn't get as much attention because he doesn't have as much to offer with the nudie thing.
                  
                  I can assure you your opinions will change as she ages. It's natural  I hope she grows up to be happy and content with who she is. I'm sure you'll do everything in your power to assure that. You seem level headed and logical in your approach to life.

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                     Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks, I appreciate that.

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   Annsaloposted 9 years ago

   Maybe I am a bad feminist, or maybe I am the exception, but I think ANY woman who just goes around posting her naked body everywhere is an attention seeker. If they weren't looking for the attention and ego boost why else would anyone post their nakedness for millions of people to see? I don't care how beautiful the person is, man or woman, I think it is a sad cry for help.
   If I want to see a naked lady I will undress and find a mirror, I do not need to see it every 3rd picture in my feed! I have my own boobs to look at!!
   Actually I don't support the whole "free the nipple" movement either, it's stupid and comes off as a way to have an excuse to flash boobs.
   The generations prior to us worked hard to get women to be treated fairly, equally, and looked at as if we were more than mothers and wives. So what do we go and do? Try to set us back even further in the name of "equality" "Well he can show his nipple why can't I?" Are we 5 years old?
   Men have one private part section on their body, we have 2 private sections not sure what the big deal is about respecting that.
   There is a huge difference in embracing womanhood and sexuality and sharing it with the entire world. Maybe I am a slut shamer! I have a daughter that I hope grows up to embrace her womanhood and sexuality while still embracing her self respect!

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    lovetherainposted 9 years ago

    I don't see why she's showing off. Her body is weird-looking.

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       Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, and as everyone knows, only women who are perfectly proportionate and thin should be comfortable with their bodies.  *eye roll*

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    FatFreddysCatposted 9 years ago

    (shrugs) She's never done a thing for me....just another overexposed celebutard.
    
    A decade ago it was Paris Hilton.
    
    Before her, it was Britney Spears.
    
    A few years from now, when gravity starts pulling on Kim K. like she's Stretch Armstrong, it'll be someone else.
    
    Everybody, STOP MAKING STUPID PEOPLE FAMOUS for the love of Gawd!!!

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       gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       There are FAR MORE PRESSING issues than Kim Kardashian.  She has already exhausted her 15 minutes of fame. 
       
       Enough is......ENOUGH, what is with this dame. We have SEEN more than enough of her!
       
       THANK YOU, ENOUGH..........bye!
       
       Don't feed Kim, people.  Don't feed her........she THRIVES on attention.  Sad that it isn't for her intelligence....
       
       (making retching noises....)
       
       I am SO SICK of this ............
       
       ............THIS.....
       
       What.......NOW
       
       B-oring!!!!!

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

    Advice for the some of the clan members regarding the wearing of pants:
    Kim needs to keep it in her pants. Bruce needs to put his pants back on. Kris needs to stop wearing the pants and Khloe should keep her pants on!
    
    TWISI

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

    On the other hand maybe I should just be quiet and let them earn their livings:
    "Wealth
    As of May 2014, Kardashian was estimated to be worth US$45 million.[111] In 2015, Forbes reported she had "made more this year than ever as her earnings nearly doubled to $53 million from 2014's $28 million" and said she "has monetized fame better than any other."[112] Much of her income include wholesale earnings of the Sears line, the Kardashian Kollection, which raked in $600 million in 2013 and the Kardashian Beauty cosmetics line, Kardashian-branded tanning products, the boutique-line DASH, as well as sponsored Instagram and Twitter posts which are collectively worth $10,000-25,000 per post."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Kardashian
    
    Khloe Kardashian’s net worth is around $ 25 million ("It took almost 18 months for the couple (Khloe and Lamar Oden,) to sign the final papers (for divorce) and Khloe is said to have walked away from the marriage with a load of money. Radar reports that Khloe got to keep the couple's $4 million house, her $1 million engagement ring, and other valuable items given to her as gifts throughout the four-year marriage.")
    Read more at http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php … tqoKIor.99
    
    Kris:
    http://nypost.com/2015/02/26/why-kris-j … on-payday/

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

    "Caitlyn Jenner Net Worth: $100 Million
    Caitlyn Jenner’s net worth is $100 million, according to Celebrity Net Worth, but she could be poised to grow her fortune up to $500 million in the next five to 10 years. She hasn’t had much time to reveal her earning power yet, but she is expected to make five times what Bruce made on the public speaking circuit. Bruce reportedly earned between $20,000 and $40,000 per speech. TMZ reported Caitlyn could now command more than $100,000 per gig."
    http://www.gobankingrates.com/personal- … -birthday/

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