Is Suing the Devil Is till Popular Today ?
This Movie has been released in 2011. It is a very compelling movie about exposing the lies of the devil & our authority over the power of the enemy thru Jesus! It did not a bit watered down the message of the Gospel! Brave!!!I noticed that every scene is just packed with messages from the Holy Spirit! I said 'Brave!' because this film is up and against the devil! Yes, like face to face to the enemy!
I love what Malcom McDowell said in the movie -"Everyday people die. And they are not really dead! …There is only 2 places, they are either alive in heaven or alive in hell! You pick!” WOW!
I personally matured more spiritually after watching this film. This is a great tool for evangelism! So I am buying for everyone I know who needs to be saved and mature in their Christian walk! !” Looking forward for more radical films like this !@ts m waiting for suing the god ....it would be all time blockbuster...
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check this one..I googled the trailer. Might be a good movie, I dunno! Maybe similar to "The Devil's Advocate"?
Actually, if people in America (or anywhere) would stop letting the Devil into their minds, hearts, and homes, there'd be no need to "sue" him at all; he would be smacked back into his dark hole where Christ put him long ago. He got God-smacked royally long ago. It's the fault of people if they let him in now.
LMEO!
2012+ years of salvation and folks are still more interested/concerned about this "devil" than they are the fruit of the Spirit { that now is supposedly sending illuminati-like coded messages through -of all places- Hollywood }. This is the Spirit -who is Creator~ruach that made all things you're speaking of, right? Good job on that one!
Deaf bodies; numb minds; blind spirits...2012+ years of offered Salvation, yes. Many people still will not accept that Gift (and some haven't been witnessed to about it). So, James, there is still the need for pointing out the wiles of the Devil, spreading the Good News of the Gospel, how Jesus died on a Cross for the sins of mankind. You'd do well to remember those facts, instead of skipping over them for the sake of appearing "enlightened".
98% of the day -according to the stats- Christians are concerned about the "devil", the ways of the world {money, politics, evils -because of this "devil"}, battling this "devil", talking about this "devil" and reading their bible looking for details about this "devil" {apparently, with salvation recognition comes extreme boredom and the need to battle/war with unproven enemies} than they do remotely considering the spiritual reunification that happened called heaven-earth, aka the KOG/H.
No skipping here, love. My feet ARE actually shod with the gospel of Peace, not the "doctrines about demons & devils".
Even so, if the entire "road to salvation" remotely concerns even "dealing" with this "devil", then the Key Note speaker himself, whom most Christians appear to worship more than the Father, should manifest for you folks already and fill you in on his "wiles". Absentee CEO's, though, what can you do? lol.
Still love ya, though.I don't think you know the Christians that I know. I don't know anyone who thinks the road to Salvation goes through the Devil. The Adversary is, however, very real. If you mean that some Christians spend too much time talkin' about how to cast out the Devil, then you may be right about that. But who are you to say that anyway, since you're the one who I've seen time after time try to dismiss the value of the Crucifixion? Why don't you talk about the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
Oh, contrare mon ami. I do not devalue the Cross, nor the Work.
I simply continue emphasizing something exceedingly, wonderfully, glorious that happened AFTER THE {old rugged} CROSS, which IS, WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CROSS !!!!! {sorry to shout} the resurrection/restoration/salvation of ALL THINGS to the Father -the way those things were before Adam "oops".
this ministry is to edify the believing, whether or not they "like" it on facebook.
furthermore, "Jesus, didn't walk around talking about himself or telling everyone to walk around talking about him. But I specifically/distinctly recall him saying something about his Abba -the Creator...Have you not read the book of John?
And...Jesus provided the Way for reconciliation, yes. His work was Perfect. But mankind is still nowhere near perfect.
If everything including mankind has been restored to pre-sin Garden status, and if that status is one of "reconciliation" as you say, then...we'd still have the two Trees in the Garden, still have the rule that God gave Adam & Eve (don't eat from that specific Tree), still have free will to disobey God and reach out and grab the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, or to reach out and grab of the Tree of Life (which Adam and Eve apparently didn't think of that because they were distracted by the Devil), etc.
Do we still have that scenario? Are we "restored" to that scenario?
I would say yes, except for one little fact-------God banished us (mankind) from the Garden. We are NOT "restored", "reconciled", as a whole. Some of us are, Christians, but that's a status we can give up if we decide we're wicked enough to do so, or are unable to resist the Devil's wiles. If we're "reconciled" already, then we're back in the Garden, but starting over just as if the Cross never happened. Well, the Cross did happen, mankind sinned and was banished, and yet you seem to be saying that mankind has no sin anymore. We do have sin.
People are always talkin' about how God's gonna let us Believers live "in the Garden" again. Who wants to live in the Garden again? NOT me. I want to live in the heaven with the Lord! But that will not happen until after I die physically. Reconciliation is a future thing for whoever's still physically alive today. Just as Salvation is something we have to keep striving for ultimately. Sorry, James, but your theory of free will/free choice, etc., dismisses the basic fact that people are fallible as long as we live, and that we need to always remember the event at the Cross where the only Perfect Man gave everyone the opportunity to be saved.That is a rhetorical question, isn't it? That was funny.
We do have two trees in the Garden -always did, always will. NEVER did Creator remove the Trees. neither of them. Instead, he removed man from that stasis {garden}. That makes a very huge difference. He is not intending to cut man off from knowledge. He did not -and does not- want man to be a slave to the knowledge genetically given him. no, instead Creator wants man to enjoy the knowledge of Life, while his mind does what it was meant to do -process that information between spirit-body; heaven-earth.
The 'sword of fire', kept mankind from eating of the Tree of Life, after having eaten of the Tree of Knowledge. For this purpose: that man might be restored and the effect of that Knowing be removed, not live forever {that is death/hell/grave/pit/sheol}. So temporarily man was cut off from the Tree of Life.
But now, having one {Y`shua} who came and did prove that restoration, being the second Adam, all things are now freely given, and the Tree of Life accessible to all who put Spirit first. And as that Spirit -which is Creator-ruach- feeds that light of life within each one, so they are transformed, body, mind and spirit into that same image even the image of the firstborn of Life. Yes, even to this we remember the Passover.
Therefore, no man need worry or strain for their place among the Living, as the dead strain even while they are alive. The burden of proof is each person & in each person, who proclaims, by evidence of their testimony -meaning that tangible Life in their mortal flesh, their right thinking and perfect shining of spirit- that they are indeed brothers/sisters in Life; the offspring -the heaven-earth- and constant manifest glory of Life, which was mankind long before the foundations of the world were laid out.
Water is now the burden each one carries. Yes, the most refreshing water, that quenches all fire, all dis-ease and heals all and any disease.
Light is now the weight each carries. Yes, Light which is the glory of the Creator that cannot be contained, that gives life even to dead things.
You say extreme. I say inevitable fact.
This was the purpose of the Work: that you {plural} may live Life without restriction or condition. Transformed from Choice to Free Will.
Why? Because Choice IS the Tree Of Knowledge. Free Will IS the Tree of Life. The bridge is Grace, crossed only by practical faith -not hearsay {he said, or she said; peter said, paul said, etc}
Sure, maybe/definitely you {plural} were fallible, but that has sinced changed -and not by science or religion or voo-doo, woo-doo mysticism, mediocre meditation-mind melding, bible-babbling, repetitive name invocation. But rather by the simple, real, practical and inexplicable consummation with Life, as exemplified by Y`shua for all to see.
James.
grr, now you got me preachin` little lady. No one has done that in a very long time. So, hats off to ya.
Oh?
Well, I love to hear me some good preachin'. I'm sittin' in the AMEN corner waiting to hear some, though. So far, I can't AMEN it. Not that you aren't smart, but I perceive that you are altogether too....not superstitious, but.....analytical perhaps....
Your words attempt to impersonalize God. I hear nor see any emotional attachment. God is Spirit, yes, and intangible since Jesus ascended back to Heaven. But intangible doesn't always mean impersonal and unemotional. God's Love is emotional. His anger is emotional. His Salvation, while a concrete thing, is also based on the emotional aspect of God. His Judgement, while also set in stone in eternity, is partly emotional.
I think of your views as an attempt to channel God, to bring Him under your microscope for dissection and analysis. Where is your heartfelt horror at the suffering Christ endured for you? Where is your gratitude, your praise? Do you ever dance like David did in awe of His great power and empathy? Do you ever cry with joy at the knowledge that He Loves you so much that He sent Jesus to die so your sins could be atoned for? Do you ever kneel at His feet? That's something I've seen preachers do less and less of during this last 30 years of church attendance and watching preachers on tv and off tv----they want to wield the power of God without having to kneel at His feet or show real emotional gratitude toward Him.
They want acknowledgement for their "wisdom" but don't wanna attribute any of it to God.
I've seen it mostly in preachers who've gone through some type of school to learn to preach. They may gain knowledge, but not always understanding. They may know facts, but fail to interpret some of the Bible properly. They are different from my father, who had no formal training, but whose spirit was so close to God's Spirit that he would do an altar call at every service, with feeling, not with impersonal attitude. He was a preacher. He was a man of God. He had a burden for lost souls, knowing that this is serious emotional business. Eternal Life hangs in the balance. His generation had that. At least, many preachers had that. Where did that go in this generation? Many have left their first Love (Jesus) and opted to vie for popularity and power.
I'm not sayin' you're like that. I'm asking are you like that? Tell me you cry sometimes at the very thought of how wonderfully Loving God is. Then I might have a bit of freedom to think you're actually walkin' the road to Emmaeus with the disciples instead of tryin' to put Him on a table and prognosticate about Him like he's the sun instead of the Son.
I still love you too. With the Love of God. I love everyone's soul, just as God does. But God knows you personally, just as He knows me, while we do not personally know each other. His Love is an emotional thing as well as an analytical thing. We're saying the same thing, except that I really don't want to see your soul in torment, just as I don't want to see anyone's soul in torment. You're trying to avoid that issue by saying everyone is already saved. Not so. If it were so, there would've never been any need for Christ to die on the Cross in the first place.
When mankind recognizes their sins, there should be sorrow (an emotion plus knowledge); when mankind understands that Christ died for them, there should be awed joy and thankfulness (emotion plus fact). Tell me you Love my soul like God does and that you don't want to see my soul exist in hell for eternity. Then, I might believe that you Love me. Tell me that you'll sacrifice your time and money just in the hope of seeing even one person born again. Tell me you want to see everyone recognize and worship Jesus humbly. Then, I might believe that you know who God is and how His mind works.
Mankind is still fallible, will remain fallible as long as we physically live on this earth. God, however, was and is and will always be Perfect.
Our church world today seems to have predominantly taken the road of unemotional "decision-making" when it comes to receiving Christ. It is indeed a decision! But not an unemotional one.Oye, now I understand why he said to his closest, "Are you still that dense, after everything you have heard and seen? Don't you get it yet?"
As said before, Brenda, sometimes you make me tired.See, the spiritual battle still rages. You're not in the pre-sin Garden. Can't go home again 'til and unless the spirit is reconciled with the Spirit, and that will be after we die (if we die in the Lord).
Hey, if you'd say something Biblical, we could both go to our corners and take the gloves off for a bit of rest. But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.
I do have a lot of patience, though. And I'm an eternal optimist.Biblical? Goodness, no.
The Spirit has zero to do with bible.
And while I admire what your dad did, like others his "burden" for "lost souls" was unfounded. Yup, I too went through this -having the fire long before any training, from like eight years old or so. Drove my folks nuts. Oddly it was my own brother that brought me to my first "alter call", which ended up a fiasco as I began to unravel the ministers own ideology/biblical presentation about salvation way back @ the ripe old age of 12. Years later, the formal training quenched the fire, as the biblical "requirement" took root. But that story is for another time.
To me, there is no battle -especially spirit. Every spirit is the same -the Seed of Life, the breath of Life, so it battling and raging makes little sense. The Spirit is a Peaceful, rational Teacher, not a taskmaster of HFB [hell fire brimstone] or vindictive vulnerability button-pusher.
Again, I am not here to preach to you or anyone; not persuade anyone by reciting chapter-verse -which I could, without blinking -heartfelt and with authority. And yes, I kind of miss it, in some strange way. But, nonetheless, am simply compelled to edify what is needed and show what is possible -body, mind, spirit -which includes emote, etc without the strings of science and sensationalism (aka the collective religion) attached.
James.Well, at least you have enough self-control to not recite Scripture is you don't believe it in your heart. Yet you have the boldness to say the Spirit has nothing to do with God's word.
Name your religion, James. Since you're not a Bible-believer, then what religion do you follow?None! Not science, not sensation, not hedonism, not even Philosia, but most definitely wisdom. Did you know, the thing I asked for as a child was first and foremost wisdom, while my friends were asking for radio flyers, hot girls, super-human powers. Did you know I witnessed my first ever healing at age fourteen when I hugged my Jamaican voodoo believing nanny? Did you know that I once was beaten nearly to death for speaking out against religion? Did you know that I ministered the bible for nearly 15 years non-stop to nearly 10,000 pp every Wednesday & Sunday, plus Sunday school and singles group? Did you know that my mum was healed from type-a cancer without a single bible reference mentioned, as the priests of g/God swarmed like perfectly pressed bees, in a flurry of rights around her, that proved nothing but noise? Did you know I felt, physically, a good friend die at the hands of a drunk driver nearly minutes after a picnic together with her family and later literally felt the pain of her brothers gunshot suicide?
Yes, I have immovable boldness of Spirit. A Spirit that has nothing to do with the doctrines concerning the works of men, concepts of angels or the doctrines about demons that do not exist. If only I could stand in front of you, Mark Knowles and others to prove it beyond the esoteric, or dictated Churchianity phenomena. I am essentially beyond belief and see no reason to go back to the grave. Not saying the text is not valuable, but it is not superior and has no real and genuine affiliation with the Spirit who leads & guides {note both} into ALL truth. Not some truth, not parts of truth. No sir, ALL of truth: aleph-tov. And every yod which cannot be written in ink but is written with fire.
Not to sound harsh, but you do realize, I see no difference between you and Mr Knowles save one thing, your belief in salvation itsef -and possibly the works themselves. I see nearly all present and post believing as the woman who was afflicted for years, grabbing the cloak for dear life, forgetting the message of it, "your faith", woman, not mine nor Y`shua's nor anyone's faith has saved you; not written Torah, not the laws or prophecies within, your faith "has saved you, go in peace." Her faith is her testimony. Unlike the Lot who have been clinging to the coat tails and assuming the identity/testimony of someone else...
JamesOnce again, you emphasize the "your" instead of extolling the abilities of God.
And as always you say that God is separate from the Biblical account.
Sorry, James, but it still doesn't wash.
And indeed there is no difference between me and Mark Knowles except Salvation! Well...lol....we know there's a physical difference, etc., but you're meaning like I do that we're both just humans. The difference is indeed the belief in Salvation, specifically the belief in Jesus the Savior! THAT does make all the difference in the world! We're all sinners, but some of us are sinners saved by His grace.
How can you not see that you're trying to separate Faith from the Author of the Faith, as though one had nothing to do with the other?
If you ministered the Bible to 10,000 people on a regular basis, then what was it that caused you to not believe in Jesus anymore? Or did you ever believe? Did God take away your audience? Or did you exit yourself because your heart wasn't in it?
I'm sorry, James, but a person's fame or notoriety or money doesn't faze me. What you've shared here is very interesting, yes, but I'm not taking it for "Gospel" ha, because I wasn't there. I question the doings of the rich and famous (or the formerly rich and famous) just as much as I do the poor preachers. If you were standing here in front of me right now, I'd still have to ask you these questions. Why? Because the richest (in Spirit) man that I've ever known was one of the poorest monetarily. And that man told me to believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see. Meaning, don't be fooled by anyone, no matter how charismatic or rich or whatever they are. And that man preached the word of God with authority and feeling. No, he didn't see the things that you say you've seen. But then, his focus wasn't on more proof. Christ had already died on the Cross, thereby proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that He Loves our souls. That Godly preacher focused on the knowledge that Life itself is a gift, a miracle; that becoming born-again is a miracle!
There is no proof aside from the Holy Spirit, no Truth. And He is not a man that He should lie. He gave us His written word so that we could come to know Him through that, and then He sent His Spirit so that we would be able to receive personal knowledge of Him. That isn't found in sorcery nor imagination nor in physical works of man. It's found at the Cross that you dismiss so lightly. I'm tellin' ya, theological seminaries and such will mess a person up big-time unless they stay focused on the Savior!
It's possible that you have some sort of empathy like the events you described that put your physical body into a state of similar pain as those people you mentioned who died. And there are powers that aren't of God, of course. And since you don't attribute those events TO God, then I have no option except to believe you're under the power of something else besides Him!
Come on now. You remind me of kess, who says he is God, and that we're all "God", etc. And other people that I know personally who claim that we're all God just like the stones and earth and that table over yonder are God. Nonsense.
Not buyin' it James. There's a better explanation somewhere. (Hint----look in the Bible)....
By the way, what do you mean by you're "essentially beyond belief and don't want to go back to the grave"?You are deliberately misreading my words and justify it with apologetics, why? Why is it necessary for you to cling to that robe, still? To pretend to eat the crumbs {you supposedly don't even deserve} from the masters table, when you actually do not even do that!!!
How do you honor Y`shua, whom you say you love, and the Father, if not to eat ALL the fruit he has sacrificed on your behalf to give you?!!!
And that, dear Christian, is the root of it. Excuses. You, Mark and even myself at times, have a thousand excuses for refusing the fullness of Life, right here, right now. We can conceive every possible justification to boot.
Bible? Pah! My Abba doesn't need books to teach or show His wisdom & love. My Abba gave you the trees to make your books, the liquid to make your ink -and what do you give Him in return? Nothing but excuses.
Go on, tell me otherwise. Tell me without His intervention you could use Torah/the Law to save yourself! Tell me without the Letters He cannot speak to you! Tell me He commanded you to read the text and do everything in it! Tell me His word, given by Spirit ONLY (his own power/voice) is less than your books words! I dare you. Tell me He didn't fulfill the requirements and fulfill His own desire to restore all things to Himself, long before your religion came along; long before the foundations were set in place.
Your Salvation is the same as Knowles, it is called absolution. Which is not salvation but an excuse and justification of doctrine, because you fear -yes fear- exercising that true faith given to you in all its glory, without reserve so that "you might freely know all the things given to you by Him".
As for notoriety, I only mention a few, because you asked, else could care less. But, even still, you assume too much, not knowing everything there is behind what I am saying. You just assumed I am anti-scripture/religion, just to be difficult or stubborn. And although you have tried many times before to label what I "believe", you cannot. Neither can Kess, Knowles, etc.
James.A person should be able to label, or at least communicate in understandable terms, what they believe!
And I've never said that the Bible is the only word of God. Actually, Jesus was the Word of God in the flesh. And of course God intervenes in people's lives. No, the Spirit is never "less" at all! Where did I ever say that? Nowhere. What I will say is that we are humans; we are not God. And while we do have a certain amount of His power when we're Christians, that power is never ours, it is His. Do you not understand the difference?
Seems you've misunderstood my words. As perhaps I've also misunderstood yours. The thing is, mine are highly understandable, simple. While yours aren't. Are they deliberately so? Or is it just that you can't communicate them in simple terms? The Bible communicates the fantastic story of God and a man who died on a Cross for the sins of the world. Think about it! Yet it's simple to understand; it makes sense both humanly and spiritually. People who refuse to believe that story will often accept the theory of biological evolution! So it's not that the Bible is too outlandish to understand and believe; it's just that people choose to believe something else.
James, you and I always end up in opposing corners. Why is that? At first I thought it was because we're talking about the same thing but just unable to express it the same. But really, it's beginning to look like we're talking about 2 different things altogether. And one clue is what I said before----you want to separate the value of the written word from the Spiritual Word. The pages upon which any Bible is written, are simply pages, yes. But the words contained in them are Holy Scripture. I don't worship a Bible. But indeed I worship the Spiritual Author of that Book, God Himself. You, however, seem to be looking for "more". I've seen this before in people----they think they can find something "more" in books by men; they think there's something "more" out there for them than the Sacrifice gave them. Are they bored?! How can anyone become bored with the Savior??
I think that frame of mind is one that has allowed many Pastors and such to try to "force" the Spirit. Well, that, plus another thing---the balking at the idea that they're humans instead of God. A thing called pride. An ancient thing called pride! ...So many preachers want to kinda usher in an age of healing and other miracles! That sounds like a good thing, yes? Sounds like. But what they don't understand is that they are incapable of exercising that Power without trying to take credit for it themselves. Mankind is so fallible. Yes, still we are. And always have been! If we weren't, there'd have never been a need for Jesus to even go to the Cross. We need God for everything, basically. For the very air we breathe. We may learn to make equipment, etc., that will allow us to channel existing air into a sick person's lungs, etc., but we must never forget who created the original air in the first place.
And...wait a minute! In a previous post, you said you were healed by a voodoo woman? Is that correct? Let's consider that. Define voodoo, and tell me to what/whose power you attribute that healing? Certainly not the power of the One which the Bible extolls. Let's talk about this.No, I wasn't healed, she was. So let's be clear.
The rest, we can clarify later.
I will say this: written words have no power nor authority regarding spirit.
and by you exalting the Bible, immediately lessen -or better said- shun the Spirit.
Furthermore, you, me -even Mark- ARE the word of Creator made flesh:
and i quote: "all things were framed by the word {ruach -Breath/spirit} of Creator.
Are you one of those things? Yes indeed. And, to continue quoting, "If that same Spirit {ruach -Breath} that raised Y`shua from the grave dwells in you, He will also give Life to your mortal flesh." Why? "Because this corrupted must put on incorruption; this fallible must put on righteousness."
- all day, love, i can quote `em all day.
And forget this "its mine, not mine idea". Everyone gets that it is not our own power. So, again, that excuse is fiddle-faddle & rot. That is more coat-tail doctrine. We are to express the entire fullness of glory, not reserve even a drop for any reason.
The only reason we appear to end up in opposing corners is because you want to defend religion, books and laziness of spirit. I won't fight you on it, really. I'll just do a Christian if needs be and shake of the dust. But, doing that would be unjust, unfair, unrighteous and completely fruitless.
Why? Because we are not "just human". We are manifest Creator -the image & likeness of Him. That is truth. We are not to be Creator-assumed aka egotists, self-gods, but we are also not to be anything less than how He created us. That, above all my ranting, is probably the largest portion of edification I tend to deal with most people. This insipid inferiority complex of poor pitiful pearls in a play pen of swine & mud. Yup, you got it, an Egyptian slave mentality, who even after their freedom, build golden calf's at the very base of the mountain of the KOH.
Instead of accepting the gift completely, they hold fast to the coat-tails, or worse reject it completely and seek out Robbins, Dollar, Dr. Oz -- even Einstein and Anderson Cooper 360.
And no matter how anyone slices it, no title or label can be applied to me. I have heard all of them from Evangelist to Devil's Advocate to Christian to Gnostic to ---. I do very well explaining what I believe. most do not like what I say, believing AND non-believing {how ironic is that lol.}
And yes, they appear to have grown bored which is why they are still repeating the same thing after nearly 2100 years and 700 years of written text. Somewhere along the line, they realized they could not access the Spirit their way, so they decided to create doctrine ideologies instead of 2nd-3rd comings; demons and fallen angels from pagan mythology to entertain themselves and provide justification for said laziness.
Sigh. But you did manage to stir me up and most people here do not. My wife was rolling when she read my posts and grinned, "Wow, someone actually got you riled up? Here we go!"
This is good. I can feeeel a breakthrough comin' on. Unless there's a breakdown before that. haha.
Okay. So...the voodoo-believing woman was healed. Through you, or by you? Which do you believe? To what power do you attribute that healing?
I gotta stop here though and say that your assertion that I and you and even Mark ARE the word of Creator "made flesh" is a direct contradiction to what the Bible says. Re-read the book of John, that'll clear it up for you. Even the great Spiritual-minded John the Baptist had the sense to know that he himself wasn't "the One". We gotta know who/what we are NOT before we can know who/what we ARE. I once got involved temporarily (through an acqaintance) in a church centered around the teachings of Watchman Nee. A teaching video they showed me showed people in the congregation saying incredulously "I AM Jesus". Didn't take me long to figure out their falseness. Your assertion mirrors that same error, James. It's comparable to the Catholic Church's idea that Mary was a part of Divinity because she carried the Son of God in her belly.I attribute her healing to Love. I merely ministered that love and affection that went out of me. The power is, of course, the Spirit. It was quite an awkward moment, as I remember it. I was very young and had no biblical knowledge. Which further confirms my emphatic of not needing the bible at all to manifest the fruit of Love. I never saw her again, but was told she never again considered the concept of demons again and was fully healed mentally and emotionally. And no, she did not join a church or buy a bible to me knowledge.
Actually it is not a contrast in any form. See, if you actually read what Johns proclamation states with clarity, you would agree, without hesitation. Instead of constantly trying to depersonalize Creator and separate Him -his Spirit- from His own creations. The statement clearly says: ALL things were made through the word and without the word nothing exists/was created. In the word is Life and Life is the light in man. Note the same word in Genesis: ruach: "breathed into him {mankind} the Breath of Life". The Breathe of Life IS the Spirit, which is the word of Creator. As in Genesis it says the ruach [Spirit] brooded over the instance/expanse/waters of creation. And He said [ruach] let there be Light. The word ruach appears in Torah/Old Testament nearly 25,000 times. It is not a coincidence.
This is also identical to Y`shua statement of "no one goes to the Father except through me. Meaning through ruach -the manifest word of Creator. Through/By Spirit ONLY is one born again. That is precisely translated ruach.
It has nothing to do with a personal relationship with "Jesus" and everything to do with a walking with/in Spirit-spirit as was the original command. Walk in Love. Walk with Creator, as Adam did before the Inception.
Sidebar: I am not making the connection between the Spirit, Watchman Nee, Mary and such. I don't think there is one(?). But it's probably better I not know what they are teaching. lol
JamesDo you then believe that you were blessed with the gift of healing? And to what power do you attribute that gift? When you did learn about the Bible's account of Jesus, did you not connect the dots, or did no one show you the connection? Or...did you assume, or were you taught, that your gift was different from the powers that Jesus had to heal and raise the dead, and that the Apostles had at one time?
I'm trying to find out where your thinking comes from, since it seems to leave Jesus's sacrifice out of the picture in general. It sounds very similar to the ideas of someone I know personally who claims to believe in and Love the Father immensely, but who dismisses Jesus with a toss of his hand and a shrug of his shoulder. He claims to be a Shaman.You are regarding the "Gifts of the Spirit" mentioned by the procurator turned self-appointed apostle Paul? Right. I believe his "list" left many things out. But essentially, the power of healing comes from the Spirit, the Seed of Life, which is in each of us who accept it.
So many versions came across my ears/eyes, at one point I dumped all of them. No joke. I connected all the dots from all the doctrines, actually, and none of them added up. I have never settled on any final doctrine, because there really is no final doctrine to settle on. The bible accounts for very little of Y`shua and his works, and even less of the Spirit's work, which is a good thing. Because it leaves only one option: the Creator. Only He is able to instruct completely pertaining to the things of Life. I think He exemplifies this briefly with Adam and think that is part of the bigger plan: to expand on everything He wanted us to be from jump street. Restore everything and move forward with His creation.
Umm, do people actually read my comments? I have continuously reiterated the work Y`shua did, in practically every comment on HPR/P forum. lol.I met a few shaman in my life, as well as other interesting characters from Zen Buddhists to Marxist Cheerleaders {don't ask...lol}. People are what they choose to be. Until folks get out of their own thinking -doctrinal or otherwise- they will still be mad, like Adam was, after his Inception. The only Way out is to mimic the example of Y`shua, surrendering body, brain & spirit {200%} to the Father's ruach {Spirit-spirit} and have Him complete the Passover transformation, the reunification, the restoration of His glory in each person -body, brain & spirit. and it really isn't all that difficult. The word I used recently to someone was "quality time". Less bible, less ipod, less whatever and just more one on one. Until then, they'll keep dropping off like flies, and grave after grave will fill up.
And no matter how doctrine/anti-doctrines slice it, human are the glory of the Creator. That is our purpose: to be His glory {perfectly manifest love}. No two ways about it. but achieving that is more than "thank ya Jesus" evoking or "sit and wait for Him to do it" mentality. I think "practical faith" sums it up nicely, don't you? So profoundly simple and amazing.
Perhaps that gives you better glimpse into my thinking?
JamesI'm not sure if it does or not.
Are you saying you want to live forever in the physical body?
And...since when are WE supposed to be His glory?
We're supposed to glorify Him, yes, by giving Him the praise and honor that He deserves. Can you elaborate on how you came to the conclusion that we're supposed to be His glory?Sorry to ask a rhetorical question, but isn't that the entire point of "eternal life"? The spirit cannot die, as it is the breath of Creator. Again, let's go back to the beginning. Adam WAS immortal in a physical body. He was never supposed to die. That was part of the original plan. A plan restored by the Sacrifice. Hence the point of the resurrection and events there after.
Since the beginning. In HIS image/likeness we are made. with His light/life we are filled and exist to prove his love and show his creation. How can a person glorify Him? Simple, by allowing the light to shine from within; to manifest the KOH for all to see; to praise without command -but from the heart of joy. To put text to it:
"And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect His glory, are being transformed into His likeness, with ever-increasing glory, which comes from Father, who is the Spirit."
Even as Y`shua manifest glory of the Father -by works of faith we too are called to be that manifest glory -which is the perfect fruit of Love. And those that do, are drawn into the Consuming Fire of His presence, and are transformed into that perfect image, purified and perfected unto incorruptible.
Even as Moshe face was given as a sign; even as the smoke filled the temple of stone; even as Y`shua transformed upon the mountain, so each of us is transformed into that very image/likeness, which is His glory.
As he said, I make all things new. The new temple, which is the heart -the spirit of man- shall overflow with the glory of the Father and He will dwell in us forever.
Remember, even Adam was permitted into the Holy of Holies, and spent the first Sabbath with Creator {Seventh of Days}. Everyone seems to forget that awesome thing. Creators first ever sabbath was with man.
If that isn't being His glory, I don't know what is. There are many more examples, but I can't recall them all from memory. But David certainly knew it as did many others.
James.But Adam sinned after that.
In your posts here and other threads, you've given the impression that you believe that, since the Resurrection of Jesus, mankind no longer has to repent of their sins. Is that it? Is that what you believe?Doesn't matter what Adam did. Why? Because Creator is forever and never changes His ways or plans. So, the plan still stands. This is the reason for the Covenant, the symbolic Passover, the Sacrifice itself, then the Resurrection and finally the indwelling of the Spirit, which is the Father {glory within, shining outward}, meaning a complete restoration of that plan. People also forget Adam was not "just a man" like most men today. He was fully covered/anointed with the glory, which is where one of the greatest questions comes from, "Why did he indulge his own mind."
A few ministers and such have had this conversation. We were all awestruck at the way the transfiguration was described, especially in Hebrew verbiage. Ezekiel's vision pales in comparison.
Well, again, ALL sin was taken upon the Sacrifice. All of it -every last drop. And with every last drop of blood & water shed, forgave {given prior to} sin, so that sin would not be held against man, even if he stumbled. This is why Paul & Peter addressed the issue of "sinning more so that more mercy would abound". It doesn't work that way. So, people claiming people are sinners is incorrect. If they are, it means the more they sin then, repent, sin, repent, sin, the more mercy must abound? And that is not possible. Was the Work done in vain? Surely you don't think that, so why the split mind between forgiveness total and still needing forgiveness. It is one or the other -no strings attached. Anything else is the Law enforced with forgiveness?! That too is not possible. Sin is not breaking the ten commands, as Adam sinned before the law. Y`shua explained this. So perhaps people need to rethink what sin actually is and realize what was actually given beforehand that makes the gift so amazing
People are arguing for sin, which is odd and also arguing against sin, which is even odder. The righteous do not consider sin and therefore do not sin themselves. Remember, this is exactly what Adam did. He considered eating and WHAM! sin consumed him. People constantly looking upon sin and WHAM! it consumes them. People constantly in fear of sin and -yup, you guessed it- WHAM! it consumes them, and down down down the rabbit hole they go. But, if they never consider good-evil {right-wrong; choice; duality} it cannot master or lord it over them {actual translation is ha-satan}, nor the effect of sin which is "naked and ashamed". Which again, goes back to the beginning. Creator did not hide this truth from us. He said, eat of knowledge, sin comes and your dead.
So, my position is this: "What is sin to me, that I should consider it? What is unrighteousness, that it should possess me? What is unclean, that my Father has made clean? What is Law, that it should bind be between the columns and tear me in two? My Father is not sin, nor does His name contain any fault. So it is then, how a man sees himself in his heart -what he meditates on day and night- he becomes. Not as man would say: he is a believer, unbeliever, sinner or saint.
James.One cannot "un-eat" of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil, James.
And Adam was just a man. Do you somehow have the idea that he was more than a man because God created him literally from the dust of the earth, whereas his descendants were born from the product of his loins and Eve's womb?
If that were so, then, once again, there would've never been the need for Jesus to sacrifice Himself for a sinful world.
Sorry, James, but indeed your conclusions make no Biblical sense. And natural life debunks your theory every day. Every day, people die of natural causes or of accidental causes or via some method. Since they die, I assume you think they aren't enlightened. Don't you think you're gonna die someday, James, unless Christ returns before then? Oh wait....I bet you don't think He's even coming back, eh?First, stop apologizing.
Second, why do you persist on taking the ownership -possession- of sin, for yourself or any other human being, as if it is your to posses!!!! Sin does not belong to you, to will or to control, and therefore is not yours to give nor take away. That is called works.
Yes there was indeed the need, which is perhaps the point you are missing in the entire point of it.
The natural life? So, you too are living like the rest, in the Law with a sprinkling of grace. I see now why the obsession with sin and constant reflecting upon others of the carnal self. You are still trapped in that very mentality. Like Buddhists with attitude, atheists with morals, scientists with "oops, that experiment didn't work the way we hoped, sorry about the meltdown, our bad."
But, like others, I will say the same to you: it is not your fault. This is what you were spoon fed and ate of. Still eating the Tree of Knowledge and wanting others to eat of it also! Yes, let's all remain sinners because that's what the mind reminds us of daily, so it must be truth?! Let's all stay sinners to prove our beliefs true. when in fact, sin does not prove the righteousness of God, if fact it attempts to control that righteousness by works instead of being consumed in righteousness by real faith...
Every day people die because they have not given themselves over to the Spirit completely. Else, no one would be healed, or others raised from the dead, sight, limbs and more restored.
Believers walk, talk, act, think and use the worlds things/methods/ideas and then say, "Well, it is Gods will." Sorry love, you're the one not making sense.
So, as the bible says, I am gonna throw it back at you:
"lukewarm water and I am about to spit you from my mouth."
"Return to your first love."
"Choose -once and for all- this day who you will serve"
"Choose life, that you AND your womb-spring may live"
You can't debunk Creator, nor His plans, nor how He did those plans and what the outcome was, regardless! If one man rose from the dead, first, others followed suit and he himself -governor of all the worlds- said we can too, I am going to believe him over you and the "natural".
To be honest, I don't even think about it, really. What's it to you whether I live or die? That's between me and my Father. I know His will that I live, so in righteousness, peace & joy, I meditate on Life -and the fruit of Life, Tree of Life- and not the Tree of Knowledge. Was I in or headed for the grave? I suppose. But that was before all things became new -became real to me. The road maybe narrow, but the good news: it is still walkable, still straight, not a single pebble to make me stumble!
As for the 2nd-3rd coming, there is no biblical proof of it, nor a rapture, nor another great tribulation, nor an entity named Satan aka Lucifer aka Devil aka whatever, plus no little pitch-fork, snarling, disfigured fallen angels running loose on Creators planet, harassing humans for the sake of sport or faith. Even still, I am not concerned with it. If he returns, He does; if He doesn't, He doesn't. His business, really, not mine. My business is to produce the fruit of Spirit and Life; to manifest the Fathers glory and let others see it, so they too might accept the Good News called Salvation.
Instead of you folks hammering them with stones, adding weights to their hearts, confusion to their minds, fear and more; Instead of chasing the Debble or searching the text for "a word" or staring at the sky, waiting for it to split, so you can jump into the war of all wars, you should be busy planting seeds of Life. Flooding the world with Joy; Tempering the minds of many with Peace...
JamesYou're simply putting the cart before the horse.
It is at "the end" that your scenario happens, not in your lifetime nor my lifetime nor anyone else's lifetime UNLESS the Lord comes back to take His followers home before then.
So, our flesh will die. We'll be buried or cremated. And when Christ returns, we will put on incorruption. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 explains this. Mortals become immortal only after physical death.
If your scenario were feasible, we would've been told about it; the original Apostles would've brought it to pass; they would've raised themselves from the dead just like Jesus did. Why didn't they? Uh...because they were not Jesus; they were not God. That fact remains, and will remain. There are millions of people in the world, James, who need to hear the Gospel. What they don't need to hear is false hope of living in these mortal bodies forever. We don't become (or revert back to) being just spirit beings until after our physical bodies die. It's gonna happen to everyone unless Jesus raptures us.
I don't know why you're so stubborn about this, why you want to set forth a theory that's totally against what we know and see daily.
Is it....that you crave to see Christians performing miracles like the Apostles did?you're misquoting that. Even still, is Y`shua flesh and blood? Did he or did he not sit and eat -on several occasions post-resurrection? Did he or did he not have Thomas literally put his hand into the scars to PROVE he was flesh and blood? Did he or did he not physically rise up from the grave?
Actually according to the Christian missionary report, last year, the entire world has heard the gospel. From Amazon dwellers to the peaks of Sagarmatha. And given that 3/4 of th world is industrialized, has internet, etc I am certain they have heard it in some form or fashion. Not one nation has been left out of the loop -just look at the UN.
And who died and gave you that insight? Adam had a mortal body -of earth and immortal spirit -of heaven, united. His spirit ruled him and he was not destined to die. So, that notion goes out the window. And, nearly everyone I talk to wants to live and not die. More proof man wants to live? Science has made 40 million forms of apothecary to slow or stop aging and every mystic has tried too. Of course, they cannot do it on their own, without the Spirit, which is why they are failing. More importantly, How is Life false hope??
We were never just spirit beings to begin with, if the Genesis account is correct. Man did not exist until he was formed as heaven-earth.
There you go again looking with the natural eyes and a carnal mind. The mind is what's saying it has to die, just like it says, "oh well, you got cancer, no hope of healing. Yup, your blind, you'll never see a sunrise. Poor thing, you have leprosy/flesh eating disease, or AIDS, so just lay down and face the "truth" cuz you're supposed to die anyway."
Actually, funny you mention it. I don't want to see a Christian do anything of the kind! {no offense} I have seen enough of them pretending to. I shutter to think would happen if they actually had the Spirit.
Have a good night Brenda.
JamesThanks for the clarification on the "reverting back" thing. Indeed I posted that wrong. That which is natural (carnal) came first, for sure.
Yes, Jesus rose physically from the grave, from what I understand. He simply showed the Apostles his natural body in order to prove to them who He was. Us humans need that kind of proof. That was for our benefit, not for the benefit of Jesus (who already knew what He was and where He originated from.)
But as He ascended to Heaven, I'm sure His body put on incorruption (became a Spiritual body) before entering Heaven. Notably, that's when the Apostles first worshipped Him also. They finally recognized Him for the God He was, and the God that would return to claim His followers eventually.
Brenda on the subject of reconciliation, I don't think Paul agrees with you
Romans 5:10
For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
Noticed that we WERE reconciled before we became God's friend, NOT afterwards as a condition that you apply to salvation.Then why does Paul say in 2Corinthians 5: 19,20, that there's the need to spread the Gospel, that we're to be ambassadors for Christ, and to "pray you in Christ's stead (pray for) people?
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto then; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."
God provided the Way to become reconciled. People still have to accept the Way. And indeed, reconciliation is the bringing back together. It doesn't make a person guiltless. It simply makes them pardoned, no matter whether they're guilty or not. Someone (Jesus) took the punishment in our place, paid the price. Now we have the opportunity to escape eternal punishment if we accept that offer. Righteousness will be "imputed" to us when we realize Jesus paid the price and we accept Him as Lord. We don't have that righteousness yet, because we're not Jesus. We're simply counted righteous when and if we receive that righteousness into our hearts. For we don't have any righteousness on our own. It is Jesus's righteousness that counts.
Also consider the account of the two thieves in Luke 23: 39-43:
"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying 'If thou be the Christ, save thyself and us.'
But the other answering rebuked him, saying 'Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.'
And he said unto Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.'
And Jesus said unto him, 'Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.'"
Which thief accepted the offer of reconciliation (being with Jesus in "paradise")? One did not. If he had, don't you think the account would be recorded as Jesus turning toward that thief also and reassuring him that HE also would be with Him in paradise? Surely.
So. It is not our righteousness that reconciles us to God. Nor are we automatically reconciled because Jesus died on the Cross. There remains a thing called choice. One must recognize that we humans are not righteous at all, but that Christ was and is righteous, and we must make a conscious choice to receive the Gift that's offered to us.
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago
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If you will, and if you know anything about it, (since you're in Hollywood, right? Or at least have some knowledge of that life?)....what are the stars who claim to be born-again like? Like Stephen Baldwin. What do you hear or see about how being born-again is perceived by those famous people? Are they under the blood of Christ, or are they buying into the popular notion that God is an impersonal being?Suing the Devil is really hard. He never answers the summons, and all of the process servers disappear.
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
There is more on this subject too.
Paul, in Philippians 3: 8-21, expounds upon the idea of what "attaining" means. Verses 11, 12, 13-16 specifically tell us that Paul had not attained to salvation yet! He kept "press(ing) toward the mark for the prize (ultimate salvation)of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
He says in verse 16 to "nevertheless, ((to the degree that we have already attained)) meaning to the realization that we do have and the strength that we have gotten, "let us walk by the same rue, let us mind the same thing".
The "high calling" is the summons, the offer, that Jesus extended to everyone from the Cross. God calls everyone. But He only chooses from those who answer the summons and show up for service. The rest are condemned by their non-actions.
The Bible debunks the theory of "universal salvation" over and over. People don't wanna hear that, because they don't want to admit, nor to make, the choice.
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