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from whom does jesus safe?

  1. pisean282311 profile image60
    pisean282311posted 7 years ago

    i have read many times that jesus is saviour..but what always comes to my mind is from what and whom?..

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      from the eternal consequences of sin.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        There is no such  eternal consequences of sin. Jesus did not believe in that; it is a later invention against Jesus' teachings.

        If Jesus would have believed in it; he would have not said that he was Son of Adam/Man. Jesus knew that Adam's was forgiven and hence no sin is hereditary.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Everyone, from all nations & tongues is subject to sinning.   And subject to punishment for those sins,  unless they repent and give their hearts/souls to Jesus Christ. 
          He was not just a man.  He was God in the flesh.  But He Loved YOU and me and everyone past, present, and future, so much that He laid down His life to offer Salvation to us.

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            lol lol

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            CMHypnoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Apparently he loves us so much that he is quite prepared to send us to hell just because we don't believe in him or had the misfortune to be born before he came to earth or in a part of the world where they have never heard of him? True compassion?

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          Twenty One Daysposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Correct.
          Sin is not inherited.
          The consequence of sin was under the 1st covenant which has since been fulfilled. The excuse people use to justify their lack of faith/free will, and deny the Life of Grace, is sin and its consequences. Being of the mind, rather than the Spirit. It is, quite frankly, that simple.

          Take upon yourself the yolk of ease and the burden of light.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was only a man and Son of Man ; he was never a god or son of god; he cannot save anybody on his own. The Creator-God Allah YHWH saved Jesus a cursed death on Cross; and hence the Creator-God Allah YHWH is the real Savior.

    3. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      From his psychotic old man of course! lol

    4. LeslieAdrienne profile image81
      LeslieAdrienneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      pisean282311

      It's not from "whom", but from "what" Jesus saves....If you are really interested in knowing all you need do is take heed to the things that Brenda has written and ignore the contradictory remarks....check out her hubs and or mine for more detail.....hope you find what you are looking for...."His name is Jesus"

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The highlighted portion above is partly the problem. Most believers pick and choose from the bible what they want to read. Then choose to ignore what doesn't make sense.

        You agreeing with Brenda, makes it even worse, as Twenty One Days, just logically ripped apart every believer's method of belief.

  2. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    During that time it was customary that if you owed a debt that you could not pay that you could be sold into slavery for an specific period of time, Those proceeds paid your debt.

       Kinda like buying a house for the back taxes.
       It was also the custom that your family had first option of paying that debt before the auction.   I don't think that there was a legal requirement for you to repayment the cost of that redemptive act cause it was an act of Love.

    Though a certain amount of appreciation might have been expected. That is why it is said that Jesus paid our sin debt and we are redeemed.     


      Something like that anyway??

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Mankind is in sin because Adam and Eve fell prey to Satan's deceitfulness;  we all "inherited", in a way, that "sin nature".
    When Adam and Eve sinned against God, the penalty was death, both physically and spiritually.   God put a limit on how long humans would live, took away the Blessings they had been given, and sent them away from the Garden of Eden.

    The only hope of salvation had to come from God Himself.  He Loved mankind so much that He sent a "piece of Himself, if you will", to be sacrificed so that we could be saved from the lake of fire.   That was Jesus, the only person ever found to be sinless, perfect, an acceptable sacrifice for mankind's sins.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As per Bible it was Eve who enticed Adam to sin; that makes 2 units of sin of Eve and 1 unit of sin of Adam. If sins are hereditary as the Bible says; the the child born of man and woman gets sin: 2+1=3%2= 1.5

      If a child is born only of a waman he gets 2 units of sin.

      Hence Jesus born of a woman becomes more sinful that others.

      Am I correct?

      Thanks

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        No.
        You're being too mathematical about it.  lol
        Sin is....available to anyone.  We have free will to choose to sin or not to sin.
        It's a spiritual thing.
        Satan first enticed Eve.  That evil spirit is where sin first originated.
        Jesus was the perfect example of how we humans can resist the temptation to sin.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          On what basis you have said that?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            The word of God (the Bible).
            Do you want Scripture references?

            1. pisean282311 profile image60
              pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              many say that bible was manipulated ...bible is not truth..what are your views on that?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                The Bible is the inerrant word of God.
                I say "inerrant" to mean its concepts are the Gospel truth.
                IF (and that'a a huge IF) someone at some translator mis-spelled something or omitted a word or phrase,  it still doesn't change the over-all jist of the Bible, the context of it, nor does it make me believe any less in the God of the Bible.   The Spirit will bear witness in a believer's heart, answering any questions we may have.

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                  Twenty One Daysposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I do not desire to argue, Brenda, but I cannot accept that statement. A book is not nor can it be 'Gospel' truth. Primarily because there is no such thing. That term comes from churches, not Christ.

                  I see in your post a mix of flesh and spirit -which is what I see in every believer (and yes non believer). Y`shua made a clear distinction between them.

                  If the inherit or truth is in the book, we would not need the Spirit. This is exactly what the Hebrews did with the Law. Yet, Y`shua states and His Testimony, that is the Word of Creator combined, that the Spirit leads into ALL Truth. The book is not a catalog to search out questions THEN ask the Spirit. It is there for those who need visual words UNTIL Faith comes. After Faith -according to the book, there is only Spirit.

                  Any believer or non, still sitting with a book and then asking the Spirit for answers afterward is still someone who does not understand the work of the cross and certainly not filled with THE Spirit aka has no faith, no testimony in them. They have memorized words, with no spiritual significance whatsoever.

                  Listen once more:

                  1. The word is near you, in your mouth & heart -so that you may do it. --Deuteronomy. (Nothing about a book).

                  2. If you believe me, my words will live in you.
                  Again, no book. Because the word is ALIVE, powerful and if you can grasp this: the word IS you, if you believe. Because the word is everything that is both created and yet to be created (seen/unseen).

                  3. Those who worship the Father --as Y`shua commanded-- must worship in Spirit and Truth ...meaning they have the word & testimony John speaks of IN THEM, not next to them on the nightstand or the pew on Sunday.

                  This is the reason millions of people who do believe in salvation are not living correctly, abundantly in spirit, because they only go to the book...this is also the reason millions have decided not to believe, because all they ever knew was a book.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Twenty One,
                    I'm sure your knowledge is astounding to your readers.
                    But it is your lack of understanding the simple concept of Faith in a perfect God that astounds me.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Ah, earnest....
    have you reached the point of no return?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No, on the contrary. I just read the bible and say what gob and jebus sed! lol

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Sometimes, yes.
        But you leave out so much of it.
        And you twist most of the parts you do quote.
        Are you sure you were actually born-again?

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I have never changed a single word I have quoted from the bible Brenda. Not one word. smile

  5. jay_kumar_07 profile image60
    jay_kumar_07posted 7 years ago

    Hi
    very very pequlier form of creation is ManKind. Only devil knowes the value of creation.so devil make a vibration in blood by the way temptation. The creator [GOD ] allows the creation to live seperately .But he loves the creation  and want to  save the creation.The devil  ride the creation  with his own control.

    GOD SHATTERED THE HOLY BLOOD ON GLOBE THROUGH JESUS AND SAVE THE CREATION .

    NOW THE DEVIL CAN RIDE BUT THE CONTROL IS IN GODS HAND . WHAT A LOVE.

    IN THIS WORLD WE CAN AVOID THE RIDE OF DEVIL BY THE WAY OF PRAYING . BECAUSE DEVIL GOT THE PERMISSION FROM GOD TO DRIVE US .

    Regards
    jay.

  6. kess profile image60
    kessposted 7 years ago

    Christian have separated the Christ (Spirit) from Jesus (flesh) and preach Jesus the flesh instead of Spirit Christ.

    This Jesus flesh have died and they have resurrected into their book Bible.
    They preach a Jesus Christ, but cannot ever relate to him as present Living Spirit but a dead historic man always dependant on written records.

    Therefore they preach a "bible" gospel rather than a gospel of Truth. It easily  seen as none of them cannot ever preach any gospel except with their bible.

    Their blindness will continue until their false Christ  (anti Christ ) will be fully resurrected into a bodily form and takes his seat among them as the Son of perdition.

    At that time many eyes will be opened but not all...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Oh kess,
      Where have you been?  Long time no talk.

      Still trying to preach a new-age concept instead of Truth, I see.
      Watch out----Jesus might getcha for calling Him the son of perdition.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Well said, Kess, perfect in fact.

      The awakening has begun. Many are, unfortunately, leaving one anti-chirst for another seducing spirit. The one's of the anti-christ are saying those leaving are falling for New Age, yet they are of the same master.

      But, some are drawing close to the Spirit and it is wonderful!

  7. kess profile image60
    kessposted 7 years ago

    I am here serving Truth rather than the Lie.

    But of course you do not know the difference...

    never the less you will still fulfill God's will

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I hope so!

      And will you?

      Or do you think blasphemy is God's will for your life?

  8. kess profile image60
    kessposted 7 years ago

    It is impossible for those who know Truth to blaspheme...
    but those who know it not will blaspheme and they cannot even help themselves.


    You blaspheme everytime you say the bible is the word of God.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I hope the Lord will have mercy upon you and bring you to the knowledge of the Truth.

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        Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

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        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hey Brenda,

        You forget to understand that the bible and it's scripture is built on metaphoric parables, based in a religious primitive language.

        The actual translation isn't even accurate, because it leaves too much open to interpretation for each person.

        Jesus dis-spelled the OT, which was based on an "external" source of a god and brought about a new teaching, for which, he was murdered for.

        The NT is based on the literal interpretation of Paul and others, for which, never knew or understood Jesus' teachings to begin with.

        So, Christianity is nothing but a lie, hoax, story and a joke.

  9. Flightkeeper profile image74
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    I think that Jesus saves in the sense that his teachings have people thinking differently from the norms then.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was the pure Sacrifice, the only Way through which mankind can avoid the fire of hell.
      It's not just thinking differently.  It's recognizing God for who He is and how He Loves His creation so much that He sent a "piece of Himself" to offer us salvation, something no man on earth before or since Jesus was or ever will be found worthy of doing, and Loving Him FOR that sacrifice.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image74
        Flightkeeperposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Brenda, the OP was asking what Jesus saved a person from.  It's too hard explaining the whole thing if you're not immersed in it.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          smile
          I get carried away sometimes and ramble on.  Can't help it.

 
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