If Science Found Out For Sure That...
- Deborah Sextonposted 9 years ago
0people were gay because of their DNA, would you realize it's out of their control?
DNA cannot be responsible for identity,
Identity is develop by the living through their experience of being and discerning of what is and what isn't.
Homosexuality is strictly an identity issue.
Take note that to be classified as homosexual, you must first be a fully functional male. And if in a whim this male can be transformed into a homosexual by his DNA, without any adjustment or alteration to his functionalities which defines him as male , then it is possible this whim can make any and all probable combinations that could be imagined possible.
For example it would be possible for a homosexual to be a lesbian.
You realise then that we are led right back to the problem of dentity and defining what is and what isn't.
Except at this point we can be sure that there isn't anything that can be correctly identified therefore nothing is.Sorry, DNA is as responsible for identity as environment. A downs child (strictly DNA), for instance, will never be a genius.
As far as homosexuality, you obviously have almost no idea of what it even is, let alone what causes it.Lol...what a thing.
DNA seems very useful then, I am sure it can tell you that the paraplegic cannot walk and the deaf mute cannot speak
Concerning my knowledge of homosexuality then I guess then it is reasonable for you to suggest that I am one.If you do not think that your physical body (determined by DNA) plays a large part in your identity you are solely mistaken.
I'll leave it to you to determine your own sexual preferences. I have no idea and less interest.
You do know that there are both men and women homosexuals?
I don't know where you got your pretend medical license
DNA which is deoxyribonucleic acid, is a self-replicating material (It reproduces itself) which is present in almost all living organisms as the main constituent of chromosomes. It is the carrier of genetic information.
The chromosomes (two X chromosomes in females, one X and one Y in males) determines our sex (male/female)
The XX-XY sex determination system is only one of a many of such systems. DNA plays a part in everything
I'm sorry if you can't follow what is being saidWish you we going somewhere with all this, plus you final statement taken at face value is blatantly ignorant.
Maybe you should consider an edit so as to add some context/direction to your entire post.Everything is in my post, and is complete. I'm a nurse and have my MSN, and my undergraduate is in biology, nothing I said is "ignorant" and stop calling me names, please
You might want to read what I was replying to. DNA is responsible for our gender, and gender identityFrom an ignorant statement to a dishonest post. Though I do note the adjustment made.
Anyway I leave you to it...I made no adjustment to what I said, and I am far from dishonest and ignorant. You do realize that my comment was 5 hours ago, and can't be edited after that long
Edit: The mistake you made comes from not reading the entire comment before replying as I did to Aime's commentI would just ignore him as his original post was absolute nonsense... Pretty clear he has no real grasp on what's ignorant and what's not.
Thank you, and I apologize for replying to your other comment
Do you have a masters or PhD in anything ?
You do realize that females can be homosexual too, and it's not just males?
Edit: Something has indeed been identified! I said this in my second commentIt is my observation, that our environment doesn't teach us what to react to, (or what gender we are), but rather, how to react to ourselves, others, and situations. They are learned responses, not innate ones.
Being gay is not a learned response
There is more than one medical reason it's not a choice
As you can see, others have quickly let you know that DNA is not a probable culprit in the determination of homo or hetro sexuality.
So, if your question were rephrased to ask if science could prove that homosexuality was not a controllable conscious choice... would the implications of that question be the same as the one you posed?
Meaning, you seem to be asking if some proof were found contradicting a judgement that homosexuality is a conscious choice - would that make a difference to folks.
Or have I misread your intent?
GABut science CANNOT prove that.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Genesis 1:27
He didn't make any mistakes!__________________________
Oh yes they can, and they found it by mistake
No he doesn't make mistakes, that's one reason we know, being gay isn't a mistakeGod then intended to make people without arms, without a brain or some other gross malfunction? He intended to make the AIDS virus? God intends to make people incapable of determining right from wrong?
There are an awful lot of "mistakes" out there for never making one..._________________________
No man made Aids, and those having promiscuous relationships contracted it?? Are you saying man made the AIDS virus? Because I indicated the religious belief that God made it.
(You DO know that not everyone with aids got it from "promiscuous relationships"?)_______________________________
I am saying that a couple of types of monkeys can cause many serious diseases in humans. Many viral diseases that cause very few problems in monkeys are severe, and most oft times fatal when the virus enters a human.
The leading Aids scientists tried to promote two theories that aids came from monkeys (I believe Rhesus monkeys, and chimpanzees)..but in the late 80s researchers found those theories to be incorrect.
In the early 60s, they began a government funded research program where they developed many animal viruses, those that would produce cancer, and immune system damage when it crossed over from animal, to human.
This was done under the guise to study lymphoma (an immune cancer) and leukemia (a blood cancer)
After a few years they included the study of many cancers, so they developed, and nurtured many more disease causing viruses.
Later they decided to implement Biological Warfare research, and so they did....and the beat goes on
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Yes, I know that not everyone infected with HIV, got it from promiscuous relationships
When I said that I didn't realize how it sounded..but being promiscuous didn't/doesn't helpI think you've been reading too many conspiracy theorists; people made life (AIDs virus), turned it into a biological weapon, and spread it through Africa. Not!
Googling "origin of the aids virus" produces mostly that it came from monkeys in Africa. One article toys with cancer research, but never produces a link between the two. Just a rough time correlation with no other connection.
Another plays with polio and/or hepatitus, but again can produce no link. Only speculation that it could have happened because, after all, everyone knows the British are out to get Africans.
I'll stick with the commonly accepted thinking: "There are two species of the virus, HIV-1 and HIV-2. The first evolved from a simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) found in chimpanzees, while the second came from an SIV in a type of monkey called the sooty mangabey." without trying to make it into a huge conspiracy. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline … igins.html)I'm a nurse, and we discussed this, during classes to renew our license with the state
Maybe you should research the Special Virus Cancer Program
I haven't read a conspiracy theory in my life, much less too many
It seems you only believe the mundane...this is why I will not discuss my experiences with you_________________________
Those theories were debunked in 1988, and I discussed this in my comment
Site
http://www.boydgraves.com/svcp/
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http://www.smokershistory.com/masquer.htm
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http://www.tetrahedron.org/gao_fraud.html
Google search
https://www.google.com/search?q=SVCP&am … er+ProgramThe first has nothing to do with AIDs.
The second has several references, and many claims of wrongdoing, but no proof, no "smoking gun". It also has a totally, 100% false claim that tetrasil is patented as an Aids cure - from the site selling the quack junk we find that "Tetrasil is sold without claims. All reports of its efficacy are attributed to third parties, including customers and physicians. Tetrasil has not been evaluated or approved by the US Food & Drug Administration. Tetrasil® is not intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease.", which pretty much says this site is junk as well.
The third site has no indication that germ warfare created the AIDs virus, either.
None of the google searches I looked at do either. You have been sucked in by the conspiracy theorists that you never read.
There is probably a gene for stealing, Science calls it kleptomania. A gene for over-sexuality, Science calls it sex addiction. A gene for paraphilias; fetish. ... killing; psychopathic/anti-social... if the homosexual cannot help himself, he feels no conviction about it. It is natural for him.
Knowledge of an issue, is reason for repentance.
When you seek God, you find him. Via your relationship, he corrects whatever he sees fit. He's a great dad. He hides A LOT of fault. He eases the pain.
"One thing that i desire of the Lord. And that, will i seek after; that I may dwell..." it's in there.
He turns no one away. His will is most important. So, we stay before him. And we pray... he judges the heart's intent... HIM alone, do we serve.Anyone with even a basic understanding of Psychology will confirm that nature and nurture both play significant roles in how a person turns out.
Heterosexuals who pretend it's a choice should probably enter into a relationship with someone of the same sex and see how easy it is for them to just 'choose' to be attracted to that person, to become sexually aroused by that person, to have intimate feelings for that person.
While I wholeheartedly believe that there needs to be some biological factor present that determines sexual preference, it doesn't matter to me either way. Whether someone chooses to be gay, whether they were born that way... I could not care less. People should be with whoever makes them happy, it's got nothing to do with the rest of us.-100
I'm not pretending, and neither is the medical field of doctors who discovered this truth, it's not a choiceWhat does it mean to you that it is not a choice? And why is it so important?
It's important because they are people with feelings, who have put up with a lot of attack from religious people
It's not a choice because they are born homosexualThey put up with a lot of attack from all types. Just as heterosexual people do.
The main reason for attack from religion is simply because the bible says...
Just as the bible says... for heterosexual people, or thieving people, or hypersexual people, or whatever...
Being born with a tendency to go against scripture means a life standing before God in prayer about it.
Being born homosexual, does not nullify any rule about it.
But this is only for those who want to adhere to whatever doctrine.
If a person does not care what the bible says, none of the attacks profit.
So, maybe it is my desire to be with women, but my God says no. That means adjustment on my part. Not his. If I do not want to adjust (even if it means no sex ever) I say no, to his will. But if I'm not Religious, what does it matter?The bible does not teach that it is wrong to be homosexual, that belief is due to misinterpretation, and a lack of bible knowledge, plus hate in the hearts of people who think it is their place to judge others
Ok. If the bible does not teach that in your opinion, it's God who judges.
Hate probably has nothing to do with it. Judging others probably has nothing to do with it.
Many people believe that the bible, in fact, does teach that homosexuality is wrong.
But if one may take what the bible says about homosexuality and figure it to be something else, God judges.
Only he reads the heart, its knowledge, and its intent. He has the final say.
That's not true of the heterosexuals or homosexuals. neither is made by our environment, and I have more than a basic knowledge of Psychology
It was in reference to buddy's claim that identity is separate from biology.
Funny, I always think of myself as a biology organism being first not a Christian straight first. I could have the lesbian DNA in me, trap in a man's body. Don’t think I could choose men for sex if I can’t perform the first passionate first kiss.
- Deborah Sextonposted 9 years ago0
Science has found a reason, and in the future you will probably hear more and more about it.
They found it accidentally, and It has to do with the Chimeras. It isn't a choice - Deborah Sextonposted 9 years ago0
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Wilderness..go to your local Library where maybe you'll trust the material. See the government doesn't put out a newsletter saying "look what we're doing.
They teach facts in nursing classes, otherwise, it goes against the state laws,
do you actually think this isn't true? Wow, you keep yourself separate from those things you don't agree with.
No I would never express my experiences to you, not in a million years
I wasn't pointing you to anything about aids, but to the fact that they harvest viruses, this thread isn't about aids...
Do you actually think harvesting viruses is a conspiracy theory? Of course I see you are holding onto the
outdated idea/theory, that it came from monkeys..debunked in the eightiesOh, the experiences would be fine - we all have a myriad of experience ranging from mundane to downright weird.
It's the conclusions those experiences have produced that we will inevitably differ on - that and the reasoning process used to get from experience to conclusion.___________________________
Because you are all seeing, know all truths, know the true experiences of others, and you are never wrong, but everyone else is. I guess you are saying that you can't be taught anything, by anyone. I 've got you
I believe you would argue about how to do heart surgery, with a Pulmonary, and Cardiovascular surgeon.
Of course you would, especially if he was a hubber
You might want to research mkultra project. You probably think that the government was innocent when Americans learned of the LSD project, that killed at least twoIn the links you gave, can you give just ONE link proving that the AIDs virus was created in a lab doing biological warfare, or even cancer research? Just ONE email, carefully hidden for decades, saying they had invented the AIDs virus? ONE interoffice memo? ONE research paper, written by the inventor? Anything?
That IS the claim, you know...that cancer research invented AIDs and it was turned into a biological weapon.I didn't say it was turned into a biological weapon. I said " Later they decided to implement Biological Warfare research, RESEARCH and so they did....and the beat goes on"
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127306? … ost2690169
And I told you before to not put words in my mouth, I'm tired of it
Do you actually think our government is above this? Still living in the 50s?I don't see a link yet. No email, no memo, no paper written up. Does that mean you can't point to one and are just taking the word of someone else that also can't point to anything?
I learned it in classes, and I have told you what to look up at the library
You don't accept internet links?? Where do you get the idea I won't check a link? Please stop putting words in my mouth.
You gave 4 links, but not a single one provided any proof whatsoever. Some didn't mention your claim and the rest repeated it in general terms, but without proof of any kind. We all understand that liars abound on the net, which is why something more than a simple claim is necessary for knowledge. Or do you simply accept anything you read?You might want to look it up under "The National Cancer Institute's Special Virus Cancer Program", that's how it is listed in my class notes
Look it up at the public library
I have no more to say about it, so no need to replyIs there any reason to think it will be any different there than the links you gave? Claims, in other words, without supporting evidence or just a lack of mention at all?
I was always under the impression that Scientist used monkeys to infect with polio.
Then removed the monkeys liver making a vaccine for polio.
Then inoculating 100s of thousands of Africans with the vacine.
And "IF" just one or two of these monkeys were of the infected kind; Then Aids would have inadvertently been introduced into Africa.
I don't know !! just seems more plausible to me than other theories I've heard.
I don't know... did they use monkey livers making vaccines.- Deborah Sextonposted 9 years ago0
Medical Doctors, Scientist who worked within the SVCP program, aka special virus cancer program
Reference, and reading Material
An Administrative History of the
National Cancer Institute’s Viruses and Cancer Programs, 1950-1972
By Carl G. Baker, M.D
Dr. Baker was also made NCI Acting Scientific Director and represented the Institute at the NIH Scientific Directors meetings
The NCI funding of the SVCP resources programs with contracts not only made possible more rapid scientific advances, but also led to the creation, as needs arose, of new commercial developments and even a whole new industry.
The progress made in understanding cancer causation, especially with regard to the role
of genetics, was outstanding between 1953 and 1972. Even more impressive has been the progress made after that period. Viral oncology efforts contributed greatly to this progress. The scientific aspects of these advances have been well documented. The science-administrative aspects and the managerial decisions behind these program developments, however, have not been well set forth. This manuscript attempts to correct this deficiency. Many people, especially the staff of the NCI, who played important roles in these developments, are identified. These developments made possible the decisions that gave stronger administrative support to viral oncology and the successful justifications for the requests for additional funding. The viral oncology Program and indeed the whole field of virology, benefited.
The NCI funding of the SVCP resources programs with contracts not only made possible more rapid scientific advances, but also led to the creation, as needs arose, of new commercial developments and even a whole new industry.
The 1969 discovery of oncogenes, viral and cellular, was an exceptionally important advance in cancer research because it demonstrated more concretely the role of genetics in cancer development at the molecular level. This finding, along with the discoveries of excision enzymes (allowing selective chemical dissection of DNA), and, later, cloning and oncogenes present in “normal” chromosomes, have led to explosive advances in cancer causation, genetics and developmental biology. Chemistry developments continue to yield new analytic procedures and syntheses (in the past 30 years the number of known chemical compounds has increased from 3 million to 23 million). Many signal chemical compounds that switch on or off reactions in the body’s metabolic pathways are being discovered. Other signal compounds switch off gene actions (repressor compounds) or switch on gene actions (derepressor compounds). Relationships between DNA coding and the protein structures are being worked out, and the way the proteins assume different configurations under different conditions and how the shapes affect the reactions are being discovered. Three dimensional computer imaging of these proteins is aiding drug discovery and development. Administrative decisions to put more funds into developing various resources needed for viral oncology research were also of great importance. These viral oncology program components made additional contributions to the laying of groundwork for further development of molecular biology and biotechnology. The current increased rapid rate of reporting of new findings is leading to greater understanding of cancer, one of mankind’s most feared enemies. NCI viral oncology activities in the years between 1953 and 1972 deserve to be recognized as a strong foundation for subsequent investigations in the virology area of research.
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Now about that claim that cancer research produced the AID's virus in a test tube, whereupon it became a part of biological warfare...
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I never said that, stop misquoting me, and stop lying on me. Got proof that I said that.? POST a link please, or take it back
You asked for reference about the intentional production of animal viruses to generate diseases, under the guise of research cancer. I gave it,to you. They also developed a research group to study and implement Biological Warfare.
You seem to think everyone who believes in God is stupid, and when you find those you can't shake up, and rattle you become angry, it's obvious to me at least
Oh, and the reason that when you Google the origin of Aids, it mostly points toward monkeys, is because although it was debunked in 1988, it wasn't really announced publicly. The people still stating it came from monkeys, are the ones who know the least about it, and are still hanging onto the monkey theoryThen there is our misunderstanding, for I surely took your words to mean that AIDs was developed in a lab doing cancer research.
"The leading Aids scientists tried to promote two theories that aids came from monkeys (I believe Rhesus monkeys, and chimpanzees)..but in the late 80s researchers found those theories to be incorrect.
In the early 60s, they began a government funded research program where they developed many animal viruses, those that would produce cancer, and immune system damage when it crossed over from animal, to human."
If you didn't mean that, I'm at a loss to understand why you went from "it wasn't in monkeys after all" directly to cancer research. The words aren't there, but I thought I understood your inference that the research created the AIDs virus.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127306#post2690169
You also continued in the same vein, saying that the theories were debunked and providing links to cancer research in succeeding posts.
My apologies once more if that wasn't the thrust and you were instead instituting a total change of topic.
But angry? Not at all even though you have deteriorated in several posts to outright defamation and rudeness (and yes, I CAN quote those directly, including this one).The theories that Aids came from monkeys were debunked in 1988
How is that saying anything about aids being manufactured? (though I wouldn't put it past them)
They developed animal viruses that cause diseases in human*, when the viruses cross from animals to humans. They did this under the guise of cancer research, but later developed a research group to study and implement Biological Warfare.
*(such as cancer, and immunological breakdown)
If you feel this is wrong, check the references I gave and written by those who participated
I also said that many viral diseases that cause very few problems in monkeys are severe, and most often fatal when the virus enters a human.
Why do you feel that the VIPs in America would never do this?
Being in the medical field, I've seen many things the general public is unaware of. If I told you these things, you would say I'm lying because they are so horrific
I worked for a major medical and research hospitalI know that. What I didn't understand (and still don't) is what the cancer research comment had to do with debunking the monkey theory of aids. You went from one to the other with zero explanation, and completely left the subject of AIDs origin in left field: I simply (and apparently mistakenly) connected the dots and put the two together.
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I made my statement about the theories being debunked, and as I often do, I thought of something else, and I told you.
The government seriously developed, and are concerned with Biological Warfare. I thought of one, which lead me to think of the other, and I wrote it down. You have your way of expression, I have mineI see. Well, I'm sorry for misunderstanding.
But it's Christmas Eve and time to relax with family and grandchildren. You have a wonderful Christmas.
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Oh, by stating the lie that Aids came from monkeys...it.caused the public to vote/push for extra funds for the research, so the government could fund them.
As I stated, the leading Aids scientists tried to promote two theories that aids came from monkeys, but that was fouled up when.researchers found those theories to be incorrect.
It is the reason I jumped from Aids to cancer research, but you misunderstood, and started your attack, so I forgot to tell you to read it again, and try to understand what I wrote
I'd like to have the link to this alleged statement myself. I believe she's answered your question
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