Natural Healing or Chemotherapy for Cancer?

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JenkinsSmithposted 11 years ago

There are almost as many different types of cancer as there are people. No two are alike, so not one treatment is going to work for all cases.
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on whether you wish to live or not. While neither gives any guarantees at all, the success rate is a wee bit higher for chemotherapy/radiation than for herbs in curing the same cancers.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If chemo cured you of cancer, you probably didn't have cancer It and radiation are at about 2%, with chance of re-occurance definitely on the horizon. I see you didn't mention surgery. If they don't cut out every cancerous cell, bank on it coming back. One most think of the cells being transported thru the body with the blood during surgery. Cancer being an acidic condition in the body, you're going to fight it with pharmacueticals which are acid? Like taking poison for an antidote of another poison. You might have a better chance of correcting the condition by combining the 2 methods. Of course along with the proper nutrition. But God forbid right?
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely surgery is a viable option, it just wasn't mentioned in the OP or title. Surgery coupled with chemo and/or radiation is probably the best bet where possible.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  First step, do what the scientific literature and clinical experience show is most likely to save you life
  Second step: use any and all complimentary therapies you like ensuring all your care providers know about all of your treatments.
  
  I have lost a close friend to cancer because she chose iridology over chemo with a type of cancer that is highly treatable with chemo. So I am extremely scathing about the idea that natural therapies replace conventional ones where the conventional ones are proven to work and the natural ones are not.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I must be misunderstanding what you have said. Iridology is purely a diagnostic tool, not a treatment.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  He described himself as an Iridologist, so take that discussion up with him.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Many people with cancer are interested in trying anything that may help them, including complementary and alternative cancer treatments. If cancer makes you feel as if you have little control over your health, alternative cancer treatments may offer some feeling of control. But many alternative cancer treatments are unproved and many are even dangerous."
  
  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cancer … nt/CM00002
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would personally like to take everybody who advocates such nonsense and turn them over to the families of the people who have died from taking their advice.
  
  You see such people posting that an herbal tea can cure cancer or that drinking lemon juice can cure herpes etc.
  
  There is absolutely no herbal remedy known to man that can cure any type of cancer... unless you consider death a cure... which is surely what will happen if someone takes Amazonian Crocodile Dung for the treatment of lung cancer or Norwegian Pelican Piss to treat prostate cancer.
  
  Look up Harry Hoxley for a good example of what happens when idiots decide they can treat any kind of cancer with herbal remedies. He decided to set up a clinic in Mexico to treat skin cancer with herbal remedies. His patients, hundreds of them, paid him thousands of dollars to die or become horribly disfigured (or both) while he treated a cancer with an almost 100 percent cure rate with an herbal remedy made from the plants he saw a horse eat and arsenic.
  
  If he wouldn't have died from cancer himself (irony) then I would have suggested hanging.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Look up Gershon. One for one. And you might die if you took any of those and you were in 'perfect' health. Hoxley? How many died from Pastuer's germ theory? One of the so-called founders of modern medicine. What about that famous oil sludge another founder of modern medicine sold to any and all, named Rockefeller. It's not hard to find someone in any arena a 'little' off the beaten path. Yes, what I'm talking about is Folk Medicine or Natural Medicine. I know it to be valid and know it can be relied on. If you don't believe in it, at least don't persecute it, you may need it some day.And I'm saying this from first hand experience, my own and others. People come this way every day who have been to their drs. with no satisfaction, insurance won't pay any more, used up their life savings and now come looking and asking for miracles, and with no money. They didn't want to hear it when we first made contact. I gave them my card and tell them to call when they are ready to get well. And they do, many after the system has drained them of there finances. Now I believe in modern medicine as far as emergency, crisis, trauma medicine, setting a broken bone, prosthetics. Where would we be without them? That's what they are geared up for. But as far as treating disease... And I recall you saying the same thing, remember? We work with medical doctors on a regular basis with much success. Thank you Dr.Oz. Business is picking up
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I did a one year apprenticeship in Native medicine with a teacher of herbal medicine with the University of Pennsylvania and a six month study with a practicing Chinese herbalist/nutritional consultant in Southern Pennsylvania. (both members of the American Herbalist Guild) I am considered a lay-herbalist and would gladly take the testing to become licensed in my state... if my state had such licensing.
  
  Herbs can do a lot of things, but they CANNOT CURE CANCER. If that is what you are saying they can do, you are leading people to their deaths.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Along with clean water, proper diet (nutrition), detoxification (cleansing of the blood, liver, bowel, and lymphatic), oxygenation, rest, exercise, bringing ones Ph in balance, herbs will and have done the trick. Herbs will provide not only the needed nutrients (you won't get them from todays food) but various chemicals in them needed to combat effectively cancer and any other disease. To cure any disease you must begin at the cellular level. Specific nutrient and phytonutrient deficiency (causing cellular starvation and subsequent DNA damage) is the primary factor involving premature aging and degenerative disease. Specific nutrients, phytonutrients, and co-factors in adequate amounts are the prevention and cure to premature aging and most existing diseases. An oxygen-rich, alkaline, extracellular environment and the maintenace of the optimum biological terrain is an environment in which disease cannot thrive. Profit based synthetic drugs or compounds, and synthetic or artificial substances are not what the human body is designed to receive( we are designed to receive herbs which are plant food). The overwhelming majority of these substances cause short and long term cellular damage to varying degrees, without addressing root causes of disease. The most important thing to remember about fighting And preventing aging and disease through nutritional cellular support is that it should be done consistently, everyday. Obviously, eating good food, swallowing a few capsules, or taking some nutrient powder with juice is a small price to pay for quality-of-life (if you don't pay attention to your health now, it will get your attention later. one of our slogans ) and longevity. More good news, depending on your present and ongoing level of health, is that over time, you may be able to taper off the quantity ingested and still receive adequate cellular support.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Gee, you make dying sound so pleasant and wholesome.
  
  Seriously, how can you sleep at night?
  
  Last word to anyone who might be reading this...
  
  If you have cancer, go to an oncologist. Anyone who is offering to cure your cancer with herbs is deluded at best and a con-man at worst. The is exactly ONE credentialed professional organization in the United States that can verify that your herbalist isn't a quack. That's the American Herbalist Guild. No member of the AHG would ever, EVER claim that herbs can cure any type of cancer. No trained/reputable herbalist would say that any herb could CURE anything.
  
  Remember that most states, including my own, have absolutely no licensing requirements and anyone can claim to be a herbal healer/herbalist/etc. with absolutely no formal training or education. In addition, herbal medicine is not regulated by ANY governing board. Most claims are completely unsubstantiated, untested and completely unreliable.
  
  Natural medicines are not fairy dust. You cannot sprinkle them in your tea and get cured.
  
  Yes, I do believe that there are some herbs that are beneficial and can help with the side effects of cancer treatment and even some that can help with the symptoms of cancer... However there is no herb that we currently have knowledge of that can shrink a tumor let alone remove it completely.
  
  If you have been diagnosed with cancer, you will die if you rely on herbal/natural medicines. No matter how many quasi-scientific pretty words the hucksters throw at you.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I guess we could go on and on about this to no avail. The decision will be that of the one in that situation. But with a 2% survival rate I would think/hope they would seek as much info as they could. I never said and never would tell anyone not to seek medical advice. You don't have to, that speaks for itself . We have never told anyone to stop taking their medication(s) You don't have to. that speaks for itself also . I'm merely saying it might be wise to think about incorporating treatments. It CAN get to be too late. Anyway, you have my card. If I can't help you, I know someone who more than likely can. BTW I am a Master Herbalist (16+yrs) from the Mich. Inst. of Natural Health and The School of Natural Healing and a registered nutritionist.
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What is the comparable (same type of cancer) survival rate if one does NOT see a doctor after original diagnosis but depends on herbs and good living?
  
  Because we all know that the survival rate for any person or group of persons is 0%. We all die. Good cancer treatment usually prolongs life beyond what it would be without treatment, but we still all die.
  
  So what is the survival rate of using herbs for the same cancer you are quoting a 2% survival rate for? And what cancer is that?
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Has I stated to Melissa, we would have not and would not someone not to seek the council of a physician. We would never or have not expressed to anyone not to take their medication(s). The survival rate for cancer of someone receiving natural methods only? Your guess is as good as mine. I have only come in contact with one person who had natural treatments only and he claimed to have overcome cancer 3 times. He had no formal training in herbs but said he was self taught. We ran into him at the health food store and he handed us a flyer telling of his coming seminar. We knew nothing about him or of his being self taught and decided to go and see what he had to offer. He had a well put together presentation, great sellsmanship, though none of his group (he was a retired electrician, one member was a lawyer, one a nutritian and I forget what his son was) had any herbal knowledge. But if you had any reasonable amount of knowledge of the matter, you knew they didn't know what they were talking about. This was 5yrs ago and he just died of cancer. He was in his late 60's. Other than that, every person with cancer we have come in contact with has had chemo or radiation treatments and still had cancer. I'm not about to compromise myself to try and prove a point. Sure we all will die (well that according to your beliefs, all won't die). The 2% I use comes from statistics stated in a study published by the Journal of Clinical Oncolgy. It states: the results- the overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5 yr survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the U.S. Conclusion: As the 5yr relative survival rate for cancer in Australia is now over 6%, it is clear that cytotoxic chemo only makes a minor contribution to cancer survival. To justify the continued funding and availability of drugs used in cytotoxic chemo, a rigorous evaluation of the cost-effectiveness and impact on quality of life is urgently required." You would be hard pressed to find anything still being touted as your best shot at a cure with an average success rate of just over 2%, which chemo has, if it wasn't for the fact that big profits were driving the recommendation (200billion/yr). For stage 4 cancer the rate is less than half of 1%. Fundamentally chemo rarely works. Worse some drug treatments (not a drug, but especially surgery) also promotes the spread of cancer. But somehow the rationale to avoid these agents because they might promote cancer does not apply when it comes to drugs. Now what is the rate for natural healing after all else has failed? If I told you someone can go 7 out of 10 and the 3 who don't make it don't have the discipline to follow the program you wouldn't believe it would you? And to top it off, the majority are stage 3&4. Wow, what an imagination right? Or you (some) might say, an outright lie . You may never know
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "The survival rate for cancer of someone receiving natural methods only? Your guess is as good as mine."
  
  If you have no idea what the survival rate is, why in the world would you promote such a "cure"? Is it normal practice for herbalists to claim curing properties without having even a guess if the claim is true?
  
  If you have absolutely no clue what the rate of healing is in those using herbs to cure cancer, why are you continually insinuating it is far better that the pathetic 2% you claim modern medicine produces?
  
  Are you earning a living from selling quack medicines and trolling for gullible and desperate customers?
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Quack? True healthcare would be the care of the very basic unit of life, which we know is the cell. This comprehensive care would begin in our very early years, conceivably from conception (preferably before conception) involving a system focused on the healthy maintenance of the cells and thus, the non-interference of cellular function, and subsequently unaltered DNA replication. This effective healthcare system would begin before we were born with our pregnant mothers commencing a comprehensive regimen of specific nutrient-targeting, to ensure the perfect cellular development of a healthy newborn infant. What has just been described could be summed up with the term prevention. Real healthcare implies prevention. So what is the system currently in use designed to accomplish? For ex., when we experience an ache or pain to the point that it becomes bothersome or unbearable, we make an appt. with our dr. to have a "look see". Our dr. diagnoses(an industry est. 50& of the time with accuracy) our condition through various clues of our symptoms and most often prescribes a pharmaceutical medication(s) designed to address those symptoms. 50% of the time it will be a drug 'approved' for the condition. In the overwhelming majority of cases, only the symptoms will be addressed, not the underlying condition or its cause, and in doing so, the symptoms of the disease will be managed at best, while the disease itself progresses. Would the term "disease care" best describe this system? If this accurate (correct) term were used to describe this system, no one would take part in the system. No one would be interested in "disease care". No one would purchase "disease insurance". No one would be interested in "maintaining their disease". In order to market a system to the public whose underlying motivation is the sale of economically lucrative drugs and medical procedures, one must create false atmospheres via the use of soft terms. Healthcare and perfect health is what we are seeking, but this is not what the system is structured to deliver. The problem with the current system is that caring for diseases is very profitable, while preventing or curing is not, bottom line. The structure of the entire system is a financial conflict of interest in which the patient most often pays with his money, health, time, and eventually his/her life. The simplicity of optimal health and disease prevention and cure through the specific support of cellular requirements is the hidden truth which is concealed from the public understanding. Quack? In order to effectively market their myriad of harmful concoctions, they (pharmaceutical and medical industries) must continue to convince us that the problems are complex. They have spent billions$$$ in their attempt to convince us of this complexity and for many decades they have been successful. They continue to urge us to "ask our drs. about", their "solutions", which for the most part are toxic chemicals designed to address symptoms, in essence, problems which they, themselves, have created over decades through their compaogn of misinformation. Quack? They have surpressed the basic truths of health. IIn most cases, " incurable diseases" are not incurable at all, oor "modern medical system" is not providing us with solutions that have been recognized as fact ( now get this wilderness) by scientists for decades. The fact is, the cure for most diseases, the perfect solution to prevention, health healing, beauty, and anti-aging is already known and available. The drug industry contributes heavily to political campaigns which places tremendous pressure on our "representatives" to maintain the status quo of The System. The medical and pharmaceutical industries are the benefactors of illness in America. These are the industries that thrive on the economics of disease. Quack? But you already knew this, eh wilderness. Like another hubber says, gotta run. Will be back in awhile. Shalum
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Quack medicine" - chemicals and substances promoted as useful to regain or maintain health, but have never been thoroughly tested for results.
  
  So yes, quack medicine.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are truly a company man.prescription drugs cause disease, but these facts are obscured by calling these diseases "side effects". Ironically, the "side effects" are often more dangerous than the illness being "treated" in the first place. A resent study in the Journal of the Amer. Medical Assoc. (JAMA) found that in one year over 2 millon hospitalized patients suffered serious drug reactions, resulting in 106,000 deaths. Quack? Some side effects!! But this is only the tip of the iceberg. Too many adverse reactions cause public concern and scrutiny (no kidding?), so just imagine a hospital's incentive to understate them. Another article in JAMA estimated that only 1 in 20 reactions are reported. In truth, tens of millions are injured and an estimated 400,000 are killed every year by these dangerous poisons. Quack, quack? Making hospitals and drs. the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S. behind heart disease and cancer. Anyone taking these prescription drugs will be harmed to some degree by these drug caused disease. Really quacking.now. Consider that disrupting even one cell function will ultimately have a negative effect on the entire body. A single prescription drug can disrupt multiple cell functions causing 1,000s of biochemical changes. Introducing a 2nd drug can bring on tens of 1000s of changes, and a 3rd can produce 100s of 1000s. Since the average patient over 60 is on four drugs, you can begin to comprehend the extent of the biochemical chaos being created. This is not healthy (an understatement). Very often a 2nd drug is prescribed to suppress the problems caused by the first, and the third to suppress the symptoms caused by the first two, you know the story. Man, talk about quacking. Anti=against + biotic= life. Wow! Are we atill quacking? Against life? Right now, there are people sick with infections that are immune to all known antibiotics. Those "super bugs" excessive use of A-Bs have bred. My, my, my, but quacking right along, another commonly ignored "side effect" of A-Bs is that they destroy the friendly flora, leading to maldigestion, malnutrition, and cellular toxicity. The damage they can do is scary, often permanent, and getting worse. Now after all that, the really killing part is a healthy body produces it own antibiotics. Boy, quack? You don't need the synthetic. Nobel prize winning CHEMIST Linus Pauling predicted that the use of toxic chemicals to suppress disease symptoms, which he called the toximolecular approach, was a blind alley that would lead to nowhere. Where it has lead is to a catastrophically expensive and ineffective disease-care system where people are killed and injured daily. Where they remain chronically ill, and where the costs are projected to double in the next ten years. When someone is sick they are already in toxic overload. Why compound their problems by giving them more toxins? Enough quaking for today. See you tomorrow? Shalum
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are making less and less sense as we go. How about saying what you think about practitioners who turn people aside from conventional treatments that would have saved them. You think that's okay?
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9 … sick-woman
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I feel I have already addressed that. If we learned to work together and not at each other healthcare in America would not be a dream but a reality. I know it's hard to believe that we (the public) could be deceived by our own, all for those "little pieces of paper". But you seem to ignore the fact that these industries have tried and proven for themselves that the hebs work. They can't patent them. No money in it. Is this so hard to understand? But they know enough to put a little of them in their concoctions to help mask the symptoms, don't they. Otherwise they wouldn't even do that (mask symptoms). Obviously there must be something to it. Information detrimental to our society is being withheld from us all the time. It seems second nature. Greed is a hell of a driving force. Right up there with power. Are there bad natural practitioners? No doubt. I've met some. Are there bad drs.? No doubt, we have all met some. You seek a naturopath, the same as you would any health professional. What more is there to be said? I'm making plenty of sense, you just don't want to hear it, maybe?
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually you CAN patent herbal mixtures. If you can prove that they are effective and if the FDA approves them to actually do what you claim them to do then you can actually sell them as medications. Several herbal mixtures ARE patented, right off the top of my head I can think of the lemongrass mixture to treat oral yeast infections. That one went through the scientific studies and was found to be effective. A little company in CA owns the patent... I would have to search for it's name...
  
  And there is plenty of money to be made in herbal medicine... unfortunately it's largely by selling products that aren't effective, likely dangerous, prone to cause drug interactions, or said to "cure" illnesses that they couldn't possibly cure. There is also money in handing out fake degrees and certifications and then using those certifications to practice quackery.
  
  There are herbalist that are well trained... through the established practice of apprenticeship. They don't sell anything, though they do educate. If you came to them and said you had cancer, they would ask if you were there to find something that might help with the nausea of chemo. The lady I apprenticed under would have packed you up and DRIVEN you to the hospital herself if you said you wanted an "herbal cure" for it.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, you can't patent the herb itself. Corn is an herb, you can't patent corn. You can patent your particular brand. Like Dole, Del Monte etc. can't patent tomatoes but they can patent their brand. Before the FDA stepped in you were allowed to call herbs food, which they are, plant food. Now you must refer to them as dietary supplements. That's why the system does not bother with them. No money in it.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have any sisters You are an intelligent man, google the people I have mentioned and see what they have to say on the matter. Extracts are measured in drops for dosage, 40=teaspoon, 80=tablespoon. In dry herbs (teas) you can usually use 1tsp for 1 cup of water and let steep for 10 min. With roots and bark you need to boil them first, approx. 20 min., then steep.
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Another article in JAMA estimated that only 1 in 20 reactions are reported"
  
  If I might be so bold, what is the estimation of the percentage of adverse reactions and/or total failure to heal are reported for herbs and "alternative treatments"?
  
  Zero, because there is no oversight done at all? So we have no idea how many there are, but continue to prescribe them at will. Because, presumably they earn money for someone - a great reason to decry the use, at least if someone else is doing it.
  
  You know, there would be far less antipathy to the use of herbs or other treatments if practitioners would just test their substances and methods, but they won't. What is the reason for steadfast refusal, do you think? That practitioners would lose their income, maybe?
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Here is where you are wrong. The FDA has definitely stepped in. There are guidelines and protocol in place. You don't know because you know very little, if anything about the industry. All the labels and claims had to be changed. The disclaimers are a fact. The manufacturing facilities were inspected and some closed. The herbs were being tested and proven long before Rockefeller and other industrialists decided to get richer, much, much, much richer. They are still scientifically being tested and proven as I stated in my response to you earlier and just recently to Psycheskinner. They (herbs)are in their concoctions. They're the only thing (herbs) that allows their crap to suppress symptoms and that's all pharmaceuticals do other than create more problems, and more money. You are or were part of the system, I understand your position. Most of us have been indoctrinated (deceived?) into believing what the medical and pharmaceutical industries say. Yeah, I can bring into focus more valuable information and articles from prominent and well respected medical and scientific folks (from 16+yrs of study and experience) who have finally had the balls (excuse me ladies, cause you are just as worthy to mention, ln the inclusion of the telling of the truth) in laying out the facts. I'll say it again, the scientific world knew long before the medical world knew the truth about the wonders of herbs. People who signed paychecks and provided $$$$ in grants and donations have been able to keet mouths shut for decades. But you know all of this. But I'm enjoying the conversation, it's allowing info that may have been hidden to be seen and giving folks an opportunity to take a closer look at why with all this technology we are ranked a dismal 37th in health by the WHO. Disgraceful, downright unAmerican, wouldn't you say? Shalum
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "They are still scientifically being tested and proven..."
  
  Then you will have no problem pointing me to a half dozen or so medical efficacy tests for various herbs. Links please? Showing that they are effective at curing cancer?
  
  Or is it your opinion that giving your sister a dose constitutes a valid test?
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I actually do know quite a bit about the industry... I know how embarrassed we are by modern-day snake-oil salesman that care nothing about people dying as long as they make their dollar. I know that "Master Herbalist" is a completely fictional title created by mail-by-order "educational" institutes in order to sell wikipedia knowledge to would-be hippies with persecution complexes and bunker mentalities. I know that herbal pills and powders are mostly a scam... and I KNOW that there is absolutely no herbal treatment know that cures cancer.
  
  I also know that anyone who tries to convince innocent, desperate and frightened people that herbs are a magical fairy dust that will cure their life threatening condition when modern medicine can't has blood on their hands.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Naturopaths and master herbalist are fictional titles? To borrow from you "Whatever you say dear". From time to time you have probaly seen stories or advertisements for some wonder product- an exotic herb, a vitamin or some dother mysterious sounding substance that is guaranteed to cure cancer. No such thing as a magic bullet or wonder. BTW, have you noticed the people who are making the claims? They have M.D. behind their name. Medical dr. I have not offered anyone a magic potion. What I am offering is hope. There is more besides "modern" medicine on treatment of cancer or any other disease. Natural dietary supplements (herbs, not allowed to call herbs food any more) along, with detoxification, oxygenation, proper nutrition, clean water, bringing the body's Ph in balance even after the chemo/radiation has failed and it will... I really don't feel like writing the disclaimer. Obliviously you don't know that there are natural treatments that... ditto disclaimer writing. But the system knows. Now they have included in ghost letters (almost undetectable if you are not paying close attention, by design of course) at the end of their cancer treatment ads, reluctantly acknowledge that nutrition was part of their new "advanced" treatment, LOL. What you are saying is that the woman you apprenticed under knows everything there is to know about what all herbs will do. Amazing. What herbal pills and powders? If and herb has been ground to powder it becomes useless? Even though it was unfair of me to use plaintain as an example (I always use it when talking to a university of anywhere "herbalist" even when most of the time they are standing right next to it they can't recognize it) because I knew even with stating Monsanto calls it a weed you would go for the bananas, not having a clue what I was talking about. But enough of the sarcasm. Nothing gained by it. Natural healing in your estimation does not work. Then why take a herbal class? You spent a year at the university and 6 mos. under a chinese herbalist to prove to yourself they don't work? Let me get this straight. Are you saying cancer patients are really being told all of their options? The patient is given a list of options from a smorgasbord of "modern" medical procedures usually including surgery, radiation, or chemo. Scared half to death, the shocked victm offers little or no resistance and agrees to the suggested treatment almost immediately. How do you help someone who has run the gamut of these "conventional" therapies? Some (eventually the large majority, seeing we can't say all, but...) are given a time line of 30-60 days to live ( of course there is the possibility of the brief reprieve of remission). They have been written off, told to go home and get their affairs in order and then wait for death. These poor souls have been given all their options? According to you they have. Because you either know everything about everything or you are on the payroll also. Couldn't resist that. With a survival rate of 2% and if stage 4 that's cut in half, you say by all means accept your "fate", just go home , if you can, and die. And you say I'm frightening? I don't know how many folks are reading these exchanges, but just by the absence of participation I feel there are many who have experienced this exact scenario with a friend or loved one and they listened to someone like you. That's truly frightening.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  1. I would help people who have been diagnosed with terminal cancer by NOT making money off their denial... Like you are doing. Yes, I would have them accept that they indeed are going to die and to spend as much time living and loving those around them and doing the things they love rather than spending their money on quackery that will not save them.
  
  2. I do believe in herbal medicine. There are lots of things it can help with... but it CANNOT CURE CANCER. You are essentially saying that because it can help with a headache, that is surely must be able to remove a tumor. It can't. It never could. Unless they find some plant that no one has ever seen before growing out of a monkey ass in the Congo, it never WILL.
  
  You seem to think that someone paying you to offer them false hope is somehow superior to accepting their illness and coming to terms with death. It's not better... except maybe for you.
  
  Others are forced to watch their loved ones dying AND spending their remaining funds on snake oil... That way they can die penniless without any of the closure that accepting their diagnosis could have given them.
  
  Good job.
  
  And yes, when you hear the phrase "Master Herbalist", you can be assured that his "Master" came from the equivalent of "Bob's Herb School and was either obtained online, in the mail, or from a class full of high-school drop outs and aging hippies taught in Bob's living room.
  
  But since that's obviously not you... why don't you link us to your profile with the American Herbalist Guild? Surely they have accepted a "Master Herbalist" such as yourself with open arms... I can't apply without another 12 months of apprenticeship at the least.. but surely with all your training you've been accepted...
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You've got to be kidding? It's just another school. There are many herbal schools online. From what I see they're (American Helbalist Guild) basically the same as The rest. Some offer more than others, but this course from the program they advertise is no more comprehensive than most. There is no special distinction. There is no need to apply for acceptance with them, as you can easily see from their website, pay the money and get started, no special requirements, just time, interest and money. Another online "master" herbalist fictional title? Not you I know. This happens to be the one you favor. They are asking you to pay for their course and receive a master herbalist certification. Am I missing something? Some others offer the N.D. Yes, I have training, excellent training and experience (not patting myself on the back) and always looking for more. We have all that they offer and maybe some they don't. They don't mention what particular modalities they have. Do they have these? Dry and wet blood cell analysis, iridology, face tongue and nail analysis, bach flowers,ear acutherapy, hand acutherapy,reflexology too name a few? They may have some we don't have. Theirs (AHG) is a great program, but no more or less than others. Remove, prevent... again don't feel up to typing disclaimer. You seem to lack a great deal of training and knowledge of herbs. There is one (herb) for every... By all means continue your studies, you need it. Herbs can do everything else in your opinion, but cancer? You are limited. Extremely limited. The snake oil salesman started big pharm. Actually he sold real oil sludge as a cure all, imagine that, and they still are. Money? Not a primary concern. If that were the case I would not have spent the time here giving another viewpoint. Just hoping someone might think hmmmmm. By the time the system is finished with them, there is little if any money or hope left. I offer no false hope. But I do realize that as long as you can digest, you have a chance to recover. Ask your american guild friends about that I'm sure they would agree Can it get to be too late? Yeah. And it has gotten late. Time for bed.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually membership in the AHG has nothing to do with their courses. You have to show sufficient knowledge in the field through peer-review. Taking their courses does not give you membership.
  
  Let's try it this way... How exactly will an herb fix cell mutation?
  
  So lay out how an herb can change the DNA of a cell. How it can turn a mutated cell into a normal cell...or barring that, tell me how an herb can stop mitosis.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  While I was typing my post to you last night my wife brought to my attention that there was more to AHG than I had noticed with my brief glance. It definitely seems to be a worthwhile endeavor. My apologies.We saw 2 members from other states we are familiar with and gave them a call and received excellent reports. Having trained together they recommended applying. It is more than just a school. Many of the members (AHG) started their training in someones living room. Back in the day that's how most classes were given. Even now I guarantee you there are members of AHG who give classes, do it from free rooms at the library, church activity centers and yes, their living room. We started learning in a living room back in the late 80's and furthered our education through an accredited inst. Your education never stops, from book learning to experience. We have had the privilege to meet, learn and work with people of various medical and scientific backgrounds, master herbalists, N.D's, cellular biologists, chemists, nutritionists etc. Anyway, let's see if I can give you a satisfactory answer to your question. First off, the herb is not going to fix the mutated cell or change DNA. One of the jobs the herb(s) will perform is to eliminate (kill) the bad cells. I gave an example of one in a prior post (whole apricot) that does just that. Again, as long as you can digest, you have a very good chance of survival. The beginning of treatment is detoxification which is the cleansing of toxins from the body. There is no healing without the cleanse. A cancer patient is being overwhelmed with toxins. Why would you give him more (pharmaceuticals)? We use herbs to cleanse. Cancer is in the blood. We use herbs to cleanse the blood. We use a herb to cleanse the liver. Dirty blood in a clean liver will make the liver dirty and vice versa. Right? We use a herb to cleanse the lymphatic system. We use a herb to cleanse the bowel. A 21 day detox, oxygenation, diet and nutrition. All require herbs (dietary supplements, plant food). Yeah herbs not only eliminate (kill) cancerous cells, as you can see they play a vital role in overcoming the condition. Let's look at cancer. If you ask an allopathic dr. to explain cancer in a few words, the best that they come up with after all these years of research is a cell mutation, a missing gene, or maybe a virus causing immuno-suppression. Now since cancer is not a localized disease, but a systemic condition, it shows up in the body's weakest link(s). We'll refer to the body's weakest links as the dead zones because they carry a declining electromagnetic charge. All healthy cells carry an electromagnetic negative charge, but all fermented cells and their acids carry a positive charge. Cancer must be attacked from various directions. Cancer cell growth is caused by an acidic condition in and around the cells. As mentioned earlier, cancer is a whole body systemic disease from head to toe that shows up as a tumor site (baloon or cocoon of mutated , encapsulated cells) in the body's weakest links or target zones. These zones are the storage bins from excess acids and toxins built up in the blood. This is why cancer patient have thick blood, built up acid in the blood. This come from overindulgence of food acids, beverage acids, industrial acids, toxic emotions and poisonous chemicals that the liver, kidneys and lymph nodes could not expel fast enough. The result- 02 deprivation leading to cell fermentation where healthy cells begin to rot. These rotting cells and their acids stick together like glue and bond to healthy neighboring cells where they also begin to ferment and rot creating a dominoe effect. This acid fermentation process is cancer. A leading cellular scitents based on years of research came to the conclusion that cancer and acids are nothing more than an electric cellular disturbance due to oxygen deprivation, leading to cell asphyxiation which leads to imbalanced acidic Ph environment.THis process triggers disorganization of the cellular microzymas to a morbid evolution from bacteria to yeast, fungus and molds and their production of mycotoxin waste matter. AS Dr. Young says in his book Sick and Tired: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain "cancer therefore is a four letter word-ACID". This is especially true with lactid acid as waste product due to the low oxygen level and waste products of yeast and fungus. Dr. Otto Warburg, a 2 time Nobel prize winner, stated in his book, The Metabolism of Tumors, that the primary cause of cancer was the replacement of oxygen in the respiratory cell chemistry by the fermentation of sugar. The growth of cancer cells is intiated by a fermentation process which can only be triggered in the absence of oxygen at the cellular level. Just like overworked muscle cells manufacture lactid acid by-products as waste, cancerous cells spill lactic acid and other acidic compounds, causing acid Ph. If you hold your breath, oxygen is cut off and carbon dioxide is built up as an acid waste, and you will eventually die through asphysiation. If your body;s blood Ph goes below 7, oxygen is cut off and you will go into a coma or die. The blood performs a balancung act in order to maintain the blood Ph within a safe range of 7.30-7.45. Some cells instead of dying as normal cells do in an acid environment may adapt and survive by becoming abnormal cells, like primitive yeast cells. These abnormal primitive yeast cells are called malignant cells. Malignant renegade cells do not communicate with brain function, or with our ownDNA memory code. Therefore, malignant cells grow indefinitely and without order. THis biological disorder is what science calls cancer. So unless an oncologist focuses on de-acidification, detoxification, oxygenation and fixing nutritional deficiencies with a cancer patient, their treatment modalities will be futile. Disclaimer: The above information is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice by a licensed physician. An individual should consult a physician regularly in all matters relating to medical problems, especially matters of diagnosing, treating or curing diseases or other physical or mental conditions.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So what I got from that is you believe that herbal medicine can target specific cells to kill in the body with changes in acidity... yet leave others alone?
  
  So let's assume, for the sake of argument that all cells have a ph level.
  
  So, what is the ph balance for a brain cell? What is the ph balance for a white blood cell? A red blood cell? A platelet? A cancer cell?
  
  What about cartoid cells? What are their specific ph's? Neuron cells? Clara cells? B cells? Dendric cells?
  
  And most importantly, what is the ph of NK cells?
  
  Do all cancer cells have the same ph?
  
  To target specific cells in the body by changing ph you would need to 1. Know the exact ph level of every cell in the body and 2. Maintain the exact ph level to kill only cancer cells yet leave others intact.
  
  In addition, you would have to ensure the ph level of every different kind of cancer cell.
  
  You are saying that you have figured out a way to make such exact distinctions... distinctions that have never been able to be made by molecular biologists... AND you have been able to specifically formulate the exact combination of herbal chemicals that can change the bodies ph levels to that exact acidity at which cancer cell (and only cancer cell) death occurs?
  
  And you can maintain this ph level long enough to "kill" the millions/billions of cells in a tumor? While keeping them from reproducing at the same time?
  
  That's before we even get into the conversation of what exactly a toxin is and the impossibility of ridding the body of chemicals that it produces every second of every day of it's existence.
  
  So again, how is all of this done? Specifically. Let's start with the magic ph number for cellular death of every type of cell in the body. I'll wait while you pull those up.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The body is basic one big bag of fluid, ergo it is about the same tight range of pH in every area that is not an enclosed sack of fluid (like the stomach)-- about 7.5 in normal healthy cytoplasmic fluid, cancer cell cytoplasmic fluid, blood and lymph.
  
  But of course someone who has studied the body would know that, you must be testing us.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't know the exact ph number, no. But yes I knew that ph was essentially the same throughout the body. That was kind of the point I was trying to make.
  
  He said that he could essentially kill cancer cells by changing the ph, I was trying to show that if a change in ph would "kill" cancer cells, it would also kill the rest of the cells.
  
  Do you disagree?
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are completely correct. You could kill the cancer, but the patient would also be dead.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that's an unfortunate side effect.
  
  But on the bright side, the reduction of the PH level of the blood should ensure that their arteries clog almost instantly with cholesterol so heart failure might take then before total spontaneous cell death does.
  
  Either way, no cancer!
  
  See how effective the plan is?
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. I said what you said I said. The question is, did you comprehend what I said? Doesn't sound like it. Disease cannot live or survive in an alkaline environment. So if you raise the level of your Ph and bring it within the proper range.... What is the problem? I thought I was talking to someone with some herbal knowledge. I want you to understand this clearly. We want you and anyone else to examine what we have to say about alternative methods of healing. If there are any questions about alternative healing, we are here to try and answer them. Believe me when I say, If there is one we can't answer, we have the resources to get it for you. And it's free. I say we because there is a team here. We are interchangeable parts. You are now and have been talking to me. Now I also said that the herb, whole apricot, killed cancer cells. The Ph level 0f your bodily fluids affects the state of your cellular health and inner cleanliness or filth.When your Ph levels are in proper balance, you will experience a high level of health and well-being. You will be able to resist states of "dis-ease" and the onset of chronic symptomatologies. Every metabolic and system function including all regulatory mechanisms such as digestion, respiration, hormone release, neurotransmitter release and immunity depends entirely on delicately balanced Ph. This is very similar to one built-in thermostat that battles to maintain a 98.6 degree system temperature. For the benefit of those who may not know Ph stands for the power (potential) of hydrogen. A Ph test measures the concentration of hydrogen ions in your body. The more positively charged hydrogen ions present, the more acids in your body. Once again, ALL disease is an acidic condition in your body. Pharmaceuticals are acid. You know the rest, I've already said it in other posts. The less hydrogen ions present, the less acidity. The Ph scale ranges between 1-14. Seven is considered neutral. Anything below 7 is considered acidic. Anything above 7 is considered alkaline (the body can become too alkaline, not healthy) Like a thermometer that measures body temperature, the Ph scale shows increases and decreases in the acid/alkaline content of your body's fluids (blood, saliva, urine, lymph, etc,). A healthy body should operate slighty alkaline. Deviations below or above a 7.3-7.4 Ph range in the BLOOD can signal potentially serious and dangerous symptoms or stages of "dis-ease" which warns us of a deeper rooted disease process. We use the term dis-ease in the beginning stages and disease when it has become chronic. When your cell and tissue (using saliva and urine to test) Ph levels deviate from a healthy range (7.0-7.4) into an acidic state (below 7.0), the acid wastes that your body is normally able to discard when it's healthy through the elimination routes start to back up like a clogged sewage system. When too many acids overwhelm the body from a poor diet or over-exposure to environmental toxins, the body's built-in defense mechanism will attempt to neutralize excess acid wastes. If the body's cell, tissue and blood Ph becomes too acidic, the body will gear up to balance Ph. There are 9 different internal buffering systems to neutralize acids and balance Ph. If these 9 mechanisms finally go bankrupt and can no longer discard acids to balance Ph, the excess acids will severely compromise cellular integrity and cellular function. They do this by shutting off oxygen and nutritient uptake and disrupting cellular frequency for communication. This leads to a complete metabolic and system breakdown where serious health issues will then manifest. When all 9 protection phases are overwhelmed, the end result is an accumulated toxic load. It overloads the infiltration systems, elimination routes, cells and immune system leading to premature disease and death. These 9 intelligent systems are what keeps you alive. The path of least resistance is going to be your target organ(s) for storage of toxins transferred from the bloostream. If the acid storage is the pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin, the fancy disease label is diabetes mellitus. If the colon is chosen, you will exhibit diverticulitis, chrons disease, leaky gut, constipation or colon cancer. Take your pick. If acid toxins accumulate around the myelin sheaths (nerve coverings) it's called multiple sclerosis (MS). The list goes on. In the early stages of acidic Ph in the body's tissues, the warning symptoms are mild. These include such things as skin eruptions, headaches, allegies, colds,flu, and sinus problems. These symptoms are frequently treated (manipulated) with anti-biotic drugs and suppressive medications. With continued suppression of the warning signals of an acidic and nutritrient deficient environment, more serious symptoms arise with the disease driven deeper. Weakened organs and systems start to give way (heart, lungs, thyroid, adrenals, the liver, kidneys, etc.) Unfortunately , symptoms manipulation with pharmacology creates magical shell game of swithcing diseases, creating more serious symptoms and disease conditions in the future that are totally different from the original disease. So what is modern medicine doing with their weapons of war? I'll stop here because I don't to want bore you, I'm sure you already had the above knowledge in your arsenal But, on second thought, there are those who might be reading this who don't and might appreciate the info. Medical science teaches that disease and symptoms are one and the same, and that by killing the symptom you somehow kill the disease. What makes Pasteur's germ theory so believable is that it seems to be common sense. The killing of bacterial infections such as staph, strept, bacilli and pneumonia seemed to be the cure-all or panacea in the 1950s. But all it did was set up shop for stronger enemy-resistant strains to battle in the future, Bacteria and viruses are secondary, not primary causes of disease. The adaption by science of Pasteur's germ theory of disease as the whole truth (that germs and pathogens are the direct cause of most disease) without regard to the revelations of Antoine Bechamp's microzymian principle (that the acidic condition of the patients cellular environment creates disease), marks one of the most controversial turns of events in modern history. It is immoral that Pateur knowing that Bechamp was right, never gave credit where credit was due, (Bechamp's discoveries of pleomorphism and microzymas). You can't kill microzymas, they're indestructable. You can only trigger a morbid evolution of anaerobic pathogens to molds, fungus, yeast, and cancer. It's the microzymas that are responsible for the decomposition of a dead body back to soil and creating life to the soil for future plant growth. Microzymas are an indestructable living entity that cannot be destroyed by heat, antibiotics, or any other weapon of war. One view is that the toxins (acids) from the microforms combine to provoke the body to produce symptoms of a healing crisis to purge or eliminate the toxic residues from the nose through a runny nose, the skin through sweat, the colon through diarrhea and increased respiration. So it's important to remember, it is not the pathogens themselves which initiate disease, they only show up because of an acidic compromised, cell terrain. Mosquitoes seek the stagnant water, but they don't cause the swamp to become stagnant. Not sure why I threw that last bit in, but hey, sometimes you get to talking and Now let me ask you a simple question, you being a herbalist, If one has fasted for 3 days or more, should they have a stool? BTW, have you googled plaintain yet. Yeah, and there is cyanide in apricot kernels, once you taste them, you can recognize an accentuated almond taste. That's the part that kills the cancer cells. It's also present in almonds, but to a much lesser extent (do you like almond milk?) You may find your body is hungry for this taste and the truly wonderful effect it has, The safe rule is not to eat any more apricot kernels than you would of the apricot fruit during a day. One day I'm going to have my kids (or grands) show me how to break these long... into paragraphs. I also type very slowly. Disclaimer: The above herb is not intended to substitue for any prescription medicine prescribed by your licensed physician. Consult a physician in all matters relating to medical problems, especially in matters of diagnosing, treating or curing diseases or other physical or mental conditions.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's all very nice dear... can you tell me how, again, that your herbs can kill mutated cells and mutated cells alone by changing the ph?
  
  Because in all that sales pitch I just read, you didn't answer the question.
  
  Making up catch phrases and saying ambiguities like "a body in balance" doesn't really answer it.
  
  Why/how exactly does it kill cancer cells but not any other cells? Answer that specifically please.
  
  And how have you ascertained that it does? Walk me through the testing process.
  
  I'm really interested in how exactly you figured this out.
  
  And cyanide as a herbal cure to "kill" cancer cells is quite interesting. Tell me how, again, that it only affects cancer cells.
  
  And yes, even a man who is a day away from starving to death will still be making waste products. The body will still need to get rid of them.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I explained the function of the herbs in treating diseases 2 or 3 posts ago. By all means reread. I heard another hubber say to you that you had reading comprehension issues. I'm almost inclined to agree. At the beginning of my last post I explained the acidic and alkaline environment. Reread that also. You begin the correction of disease at the cellular level, if you are sick, your body is acidic. Disease cannot live, thrive or survive in an alkaline envionment. If you raise your Ph to 7.0-7.4 your body is no longer acidic but in a safe alkaline zone. Once again, disease cannot live there. I figured you knew very little about the subject by your comments and thought I explained it in a manner easily understood. Surely you covered this at the university of anywhere's herbalist class. Basic stuff. I'm a slow typist, it's 4am, I'm getting a little sarcastic, sorry. The basic treatment of diseases is the same. I explained each function and job of the herbs. What I did not give is names of the herbs. The FTC does not allow that. Herbal medicines are prepared from living or dried plants and contain 100s of 1ooos of interrelated compounds. Science is begininng to demonstrate that the safety and effectiveness is often related to the synergy of its many constituents. You must be in cahoots with big pharm/'medical science. You can't understand how they can't come up with anything (pharmaceuticals) that don't have detrimental side effects including death. Herbs have intended effects, with perks. It not only takes care of the specific it was intended to handle, it gives you a lot of other secondary prizes. You can't lose. Even if an hebalists gives you the wrong herb (heaven forbid) you will be positively effected somewhere else in or on the body. My,my,my. Don't hate the player, hate the game (modern medicine). As I said earlier to wilderness, pharmaceuticals create an acid environment, not an alkaline one. What pharmaceutical drug neutralizes acids and increases Ph? NONE!! What pharmaceutical drug addresses nutritional deficiences, especially alkaline materials? NONE!! What pharmaceutical drug boosts or enhances the immune system? NONE!! And how could they? They are poisonous and destructive, not nutritive and constructive like the herbs which accomplish all of that I just mentioned. Ezek.47:12, and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine (KJV). There are herbs referred to as thinking herbs. They can win the fight and remove the toxins from the body in the safest way possible. They can choose the correct route. Should it be removed by a boil or through the bowel? No, I made no sales pitch. I was giving an example of the time, energy, study, gathering, learning and retaining of knowledge and experiencing it in practice. That's what I have tried to show here in this thread. That alternative healing is a viable option that should not be shoved under the rug or ignored if you are suffering from a headache or any "incurable" disease. Herbs are used in 3 essential ways: 1) to prevent disease,2) to treat (all) disease, 3) to maximize ones health potential. No one can say which herb will work best for any individual in every situation. THis comes with educated self experimentation and experience or by not being arrogant and seeking help when you know someone else can do the job better. Any "good" herblist follows these parameters. There are many, who have had their physical issues corrected by the herbs. An indoctrinated herbalist. You will be able to start your own guild An added note: Garlic has long been known to be effective against various types of tumors in lab animals. In 1942, Russian scientists successfully used garlic extracts against human tumors. Herbs have been licking cancer for a long time. The Chinese definitely know about garlic and other cancer fighting herbs. Your Chinese herbalist must have been withholding information. Ask him off the record. I have crossed over the line. An herbalist is not suppose to use the word cure in any circumstance. Shame on me. In "Plant Remedies for Cancer", In Cancer Therapy Reports (7:19-20, May 1960), Dr. Jonathon Hartwell tells of a Victoria, British Columbia, physician who successfully treated several different malignancies (unamed) by having his patients just eat garlic. We are reminded that Hippocrates prescribed the eating of garlic for uterine tumors somewhere between the 4th and 5th cent.b.c. He also said "let thy food be your medicine". I wonder how they tricked him into the Hippocratic oath? Garlic appears to prevent cells from turning cancerous by stimulating the body's own anti-cancer defense mechanisms. Didn"t we cover using herbs to rebuild the immune system after chemo/radiation had detroyed it? Better yet, didn't we discuss using herbs during those treatments in order to keep the immune system intact while the assault was going on? For example, garlic invigorates the liver, which produces anti-cancer enzymes and filters poisons out of the bloodstream. Got to use those herbs to keep the bloodstream and the liver clean. Remember? Garlic also protects the liver itself from damage. Not just one but many factors in garlic seem to fight cancer. One factor is garlic's high sulfur content, which seems to confuse certain types of tumors, preventing them from reproducing. Another cancer fighter in garlic is selenium (hibiscus flowers also, great tasting tea), which even in tiny amounts-as low as 5 parts/million-exhibits anti-cancer effects. Garlic also seems to protect against radiation-induced cancer, which is prevalent in areas surrounding some nuclear power plants. It also prevents some of the symptoms and side effects of chemo. In one study in Japan, garlic was given to a group of women who received chemo and radiation:nearly 70% of the women taking garlic reported no side effects at all. Disclaimer: Above statements are not intended to be a substitute for medical advice by a licensed physician. An individual should consult a physician regularly in all matters relating to medical problems, especially in matters of diagnosing, treating or curing diseases or other physical or mental conditions. See you later. Shalum.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  *Grins* I am quite aware of the reputation of the Institute of Natural Health and it's affiliates.
  
  http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/dir … ral-health
  
  For those who aren't... Here's the facebook page. There's no real website, it's ran by affiliates (unaccredited) in different areas.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Michigan … 7810141684
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's about validation. An you are absolutely right. You can grow cancer and probably any disease correcting herb in your backyard. Dandelions work wonders, great for bladder and kidney disorders so does plantain, draws out foreign objects, excellent blood poisoning and herpes remedy. (they are in just about everyone's lawn). Weeds Monsanto would have you kill. Lapacho, it's chemistry is quite well known to the scientific world. Dr. Frederick Koch, M.D. used substances from the tree bark of the Lapcho tree called quinine during the 1930's in Detroit,Mi. with astonshing results to cure even advanced cases of cancer (rarely if ever see a heroin addict with cancer, or colds, for that matter). He especially used a single quinine, which he described as oxidizing or burning up the encapsulated pockets of stagnant cancer-causing cells. Lapacho has solved anemia, leukemia, cancer of all types, lupus, inflammation of the reproductive organs, Hodgkin's disease, Parkinson's, colitis, no need to go on. Whole Apricot, Dr.Ernest J. Krebs. a noted authority on cancer has often stated that if a person eats 6-12 apricot kernels/day, they will never have to worry about cancer. He recommends peach or cherry kernels, as well. Contained within these kernels is a very small amount of a substance called nitriloside amygdaline (laetrile, vit. B17). It goes directly to a cancer cell, stings it, and kills it. This is especially true of gladular cancers, such as the prostate and other glands. There are 40-50 different herbs for cancer. All one needs to do, is be specific. In the 40's they had used massive doses of vit. c and had wonderous success of curing cancer. Now I wonder why they would squash all this information and let millions die? And millions more will die. Yeah I know Melissa, herbs can't cure cancer " My people parish for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6. Of course let's not forget to add the Disclaimer; This Information not intended to be a substitute for medical advice by a licensed physician. Consult a physician regularly in all matters relating to medical problems, especially in matters of diagnosing, treating or curing diseases or other physical or mental conditions. But what of The School of Natural Healing College of Herbal Studies? I wouldn't sell you short, please don't do it to me It's my Sabbath, but I feel I am doing well by someone, See you folks later today. Shalum
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Dandelion is great for the urinary system and for gout (I've written a couple hubs about it)... because it is a diuretic. It could also cause kidney failure and certainly shouldn't be take by anyone with kidney/bladder cancer, especially in concentrated dosages.
  
  I would imagine plantain (essentially bananas) would be especially hard on someone with kidney issues because of the levels of potassium. Surely as a nutritionist you know to not give somebody in renal failure large levels of potassium.
  
  You do know that... right?
  
  But yes, I guess purposely inducing hyperkalemia in a person with kidney cancer will take care of that cancer pretty quickly. Heart failure cures cancer every time.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Plaintain-Plantago major, Plantago lanceolata are not bananas. Most people with a lawn find this wonderful herb just by looking down. Monsanto calls it a weed. There are 3.5 million herbs and counting. I don't believe any of us are familiar with them all. But before you began to question something, why not find out first if you are talking about the same thing. In this instance I hope I have been some assistance. Thru the years we have had the fortune of meeting some who have taken some classes at the university of anywhere,Texas, N.C Florida just to name a few who couldn't recognize a banana from a common herb in the back or front yard. Not saying you fit in that catagory. I also understand herbs are called by different names depending on the locale. But you seem to be continents away. Anyway, why would the industries that donate or grant millions $$$ to our higher learning facilities medical schools, that don't allow our future drs. to be taught simple knowledge such as the fact our bodies produce their own anti-biotics. How come "the modern day medical system will not train or permit the medical doctor to address and conquer autoimmunity (the root cause), responsible for over 100 autoimmune conditions? The drs. are permitted to treat symptoms only. You see, I don't fault our young men and woman for their ignorance. They are only doing what they have been taught. 98%, no wait, 99% of them just don't know any better. Autoimmunity , has become the Protected Golden Goose" of the industry responsible for 85% of the revenue collected by the medical/pharmaceutical complex in total. So now you would have us believe that after all the $$$$ and all the hidden knowledge they don't allow to be taught in our "medical schools" ,you honestly think that right in the next (or same) building, they are going to allow a truly low income producing class (besides foremost, the truth being taught)) Do you actually believe they gave you knowledge of prevention and cures? You have been hoodwinked along with the rest of us. As I told wilderness, they already know the herbs work. They have known for decades. They have scientifically proven it They even slide a little in their concoctions before they riddle it for the masses. A good lie, one that is believable, most have some plausibility. Potassium also does a great job shrinking tumors and cysts. 3 bananas a day will cover your potassium needs. Ask the gorilla. Two things common in cancer patients, thick blood and low potassium levels. It stands to reason that too much of anything can be harmful. Being that various causes of hyperkalaemia include kidney failure and chemo... Without checking the bloodwork thoroughly (dry and wet cell, and the numbers) we don't recommend anything . As I stated previously, we work in tandem with medical professionals. It has proven to be beneficial to both parties. Actually, the third party benefits most, that's the patient. Nothing wrong with the best of two worlds. BTW the way, what's wrong with a little arsenic? You don't drink apple juice or eat them?
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  To cure a condition you need to use something proven to cure that condition. End of story.
  
  If a person discourages another person from using a proven treatment in my book they are a murderer.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Throughout the years there have been those who have used natural healing methods with huge success to correct the illness of cancer. Go to documentary .com and see how big pharm goes to great lengths to squash any and every one of them. There are people out here who can HELP you overcome these physical conditions. No money in the cure of cancer or any disease. They can't patent the herbs. They know they work. Are they even interested in prevention, which is the best cure? Millions have died and millions more will. People had better wake up. It could be your turn next. Not trying to scare you. Well, maybe just frighten you a little.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I've heard they are doing wonderful things with herbal cures for gun-shot wounds to the head as well. So I urge everyone who has been shot in the head to avoid a doctor and drink some chamomile tea.
  
  Telling people to forgo mainstream medical treatment in favor of alternative medicine in the treatment of any life-threatening disease is irresponsible. No responsible herbalist or holistic medicine practitioner would advise it.
  
  If you rely completely on herbal medicine to treat cancer you WILL die. Period.
  
  I AM trying to scare you... because obviously you need a reality check.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If by "suppress" you mean not give FDA approval to anything that has not been demonstrated to work in clinical trails -- good on them, suppress away.
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  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But...but...doesn't that mean that people can't make false claims about their herbal cures, gaining more customers and more money? That if you can't PROVE an herb works to heal cancer (double blind studies with hundreds of patients instead of just giving it to your sister) that you can't claim it does?
  
  But then herbalists can't become rich if they can't lie about their cures...
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But many drs. become rich and they do the 'same'. Actually they do more, they add to the problem. You guys all sound as if you are on the payroll . Big Pharm as a lot of muscle.
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  Rod Raineyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have had many friends and family members claimed by cancer. All of them tried to fight it with chemo and spent the last moments of their lives sick, tired and miserable. My co-worker's dad had penile cancer, had his penis amputated went through chemo and still passed away. Talk about regrets. I am no doctor, but I can't say I wouldn't seek alternatives or at least compliments to chemo after what I've been through.
  
  I've been hearing a lot about cannabis oil, but never known anyone who's tried it. Also read that a vegan diet can do wonders and that if your pH is balanced you can't get cancer, but again, I don't personally know a true vegan or pH balanced success story. I keep meaning to pee on some litmus paper. (adding to list now)
  
  But seriously, if there are other ways to fight it it would be pretty sick and down right evil to squelch it.
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  Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But sadly this is the case.
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JenkinsSmithposted 11 years ago
Hi everyone, thank you very much for all the great answers I got from the question. It is much appreciated. I just would like to ask what if a patient don't have enough money and cannot afford for chemotherapy, does it mean that the patient just need to wait for his/her time? I believe that prayer is the greatest thing to do during this stage where life and death is matter
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  As horrible as it is, if a person doesn't have money to pay for cancer treatments and doesn't have the ability to get charity care... they die. Them being poor doesn't mean that herbal treatments work.
  
  The herbal treatments that the other poster is talking about aren't really herbal treatments anyway... they are "herbal pills" and "herbal powders"
  
  If you live in North American most of the herbs that could help with nausea, appetite, fatigue, pain etc can be grown in your garden, on a window sill, or even be picked on a walk in the woods.
  
  No money required. They also would be more effective than drying them, grinding them up, mixing them with a bonding agent and likely yeast storing them for months until someone orders them and then finally ingesting them when they are so inert that couldn't do anything for you anyway.
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psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago
People with cancer should use treatments proven to be effective in clinical trials.

If they want to also use other treatment not so proven, that is fine.

That is all there is to it. Any natural practitioner who advises against the use effective conventional medicine for diseases should be ashamed of themselves.
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freefoggingposted 11 years ago
I, being a nurse, would opt for chemo or radiation...herbs and alternative treatments have not been proven to kill cancer cells as chemo has.
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