Where does society draw line when it comes to body mutilation?

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   RJ Schwartzposted 8 years ago

   Where does society draw line when it comes to body mutilation?
   
   Eva Tiamet Medusa, a transgendered man from AZ, has has extensive surgery, including ears removed, nose removed, tongue forked, eye coloring, teeth removed, face tattoos, horn and scale implants, scarification on chest resembling scales, all to look like a dragon.
   
   On her website, Tiamat explains: 'I am the Dragon Lady, A pre-op M2F (male to female) transgender in the process of morphing into a human dragon, becoming a reptoid as I shed my human skin and my physical appearance and my life as a whole leaving my humannes
   
   
   
   

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   Link10103posted 8 years ago

   I don't see why people should care enough for there to be a line to begin with.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So a person in your opinion can cut off limbs?  Should there be an age limit?  Will parental consent be an issue?  What if a parent wants to have their kids altered - do they have any protections?

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I was under the impression you were talking about adults, since the stuff you mentioned is painfully obvious to the point where there's already forms of protection...

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I disagree - a parent can OK ear piercing, tattooing, and even now in Oregon Gender Reassignment Surgery - all forms of body mutilation

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ok...what's your point?
      
      I highly doubt it's commonplace that a parent suddenly decides they want to shove metal in the ears, stab needles on the body, or multilate their kids genitals against their will and not one person has an issue with it.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What about parents who just don't care and let their kids do these things

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The kids, if they want it enough, are going to do it regardless, whether it be the safe and legal way or some shady way.
      
      I've lost focus on what you're point is.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   When a man become a woman by feeling such, and then you get the guy who says he's a six year old girl and taken serious, even coddled, you can't stop the guy who is becoming a female dragon.
   
   Plus there's already the example of Dennis Avner, 'Stalking Cat', with similarly dramatic physical changes.
   And like nearly half of all transgenders, this guy will probably kill himself due to his mental illness not truly being treated, since catering to the delusion doesn't actually resolve it.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I saw a video about those guys.  The six year old girly man is truly pathetic.  I feel sorry for his kids-being abandoned by your father because he wants to be a six year old girl.  How can he do that to them?

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      and it's only going to get worse

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      fpherj48posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He can do that Bcuz his mind is so totally sick & twisted, he/she has a faulty brain. Self-mutilation, which this qualifies as 100% is by any definition, form or type, a serious mental illness far beyond understanding by any normal mind.

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   LoliHeyposted 8 years ago

   It doesn't.  It is sad that we are accepting these people and not getting them the help they need.  Getting told you have a condition is never easy to hear, but letting it run rampant will be worse in the long run.  What's next?  Someone thinks they are a dog, and people actually take him in, build a dog house, buy a leash and toys, and take him to the vet?  Will we tell the Schizophrenic in a couple of years, "Yes, the couch is talking to you," and "If he says he sees purple aliens, who are we to say they aren't there?"  This insanity is coming down the pike, I bet.

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's funny. If I were to switch the subject of this response to religious people, you would probably complain about it.
      
      But it's about others, so it's cool.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Religion is a lifestyle choice, like being gay.  Permanent body alteration is a mental disorder

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ooh, you're one of the lifestyle choice people...neat.
      
      So everyone who's ever gotten a tatoo is mentally sick? That'll be a great conversation starter.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tattoos are not the same as doing major things like cutting off parts.  Thinking you are a woman when you are really a man is abnormal.

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If there was a point somewhere in there, you didn't make it.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Or maybe you just missed it...yeah, I'm willing to bet that you did.

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You said it was abnormal.
      
      ....go on. If you want to keep your nose pointed to the ceiling because I can't read your mind, be my guest. I'm more than happy to assume what your actual point is, though it doesn't paint you in the best of lights.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The mental disorder called transgenderism

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   Sherry Hewinsposted 8 years ago

   The line keeps moving. It is as if each generation tries to outdo those who came before, using ever more outrageous methods of expressing themselves by altering their physical appearance.
   
   Things like hair and clothes are temporary changes, then we get into tattoos and piercings that are not so easily undone. Most people accept these as being a choice people have the right to make. So, some people push it even further, and make more extreme physical changes.
   
   What about people who become addicted to plastic surgery, and make themselves look crazy, and even damage their bodies; is that so different?
   
   Some here are saying this is a mental health issue. The way our current laws about such things are, a person has to either agree to treatment, or be declared a danger to himself or others to be forced into treatment.
   
   You may think some of these things constitutes being a danger to themselves, and might be able to make a case for that. However, it is not easy to obtain treatment for a person without their consent. Even if they are verified as mentally ill, they have the right to refuse treatment.

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