Abortion question

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I just read a post suggesting that women seeking an abortion should first see a 4D ultrasound of the baby to help them make a more informed decision.
   
   What do you think about this idea?

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Habee:
      I think any abortion after the 1st trimester should not be done.
      There are, of course, mitigating circumstances i.e. rape, disease, deformaties etc etc.
      During the 1st? I have no problem with it.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think they should've paid attention in biology class!
      
      And even as a teenager, I saw the "facts of life" films in school (Yeah, even "way back then..ha...they taught kids the facts, although I had already learned those at home from my parents and from reading avidly).
      
      But yes, it's a good idea for women to see the ultrasound.
      They need to be vividly aware of their baby's existence. 
      I think abortion should be illegal anyway.
      But even if the mother wanted to give the child up for adoption or to family members, etc., at least she'd be able to make that choice with compassion in her heart for that child.
      
      
      Editing to re-phrase my 8th line down...
      
      BABY-KILLING should be illegal anyway!

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         megs78posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Brenda, I think you might need a little more compassion for women who find themselves in hopeless positions.  I do not condone abortion either, but I think its adding insult to injury by what you wrote in caps.  The world is not cut and dried.  Decisions like that are not always easily made and more often than not, the mother suffers for the rest of her life.  Please try to be more understanding rather than so blatantly judgemental.

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Absolutely shocking!
         
         Can't believe it...
         
         They had films when you were in school?

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      pinkboxerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Please note that legislation relevant to this subject is now before committee in the 2010 Louisiana Senate.
      
      http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/s … did=708291
      
      I support the 4D ultrasound. Abortion is wrong. Destruction of human life is not a birth control method.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think this topic had been beaten dead.

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      akirchnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If that didn't seal it for you, I don't think anything could.  Just knowing that there is a baby growing inside of you without ultrasound in my humble opinion is a miracle and something that most of us just immediately are humbled by.  Seeing that little part of you and seeing that it is actually a living, breathing thing - I can't imagine anyone not being profoundly affected by that.  I see abortions in many facets, however, somehow knowing that there truly is a life that you've created, it might give one pause to reflect on their options...I have a feeling that is what the idea is behind the 4D ultrasound.  I also think though that we have to tread lightly when we judge what any given woman should do in any given situation and I only hope and pray each woman (and man with her if there is one) makes the right choice.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think it's like the movie Juno were Juno goes to the abortion clinic and one of her school mates is standing by herself protesting and she says to Juno, "They have fingernails you know."
      
      Juno hesitantly goes into the clinic anyways but keeps thinking about it, fingernails.... She doesn't follow through with it.

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         kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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      UNCRatDogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I had an abortion last year and I've regretted it deeply. Having said that, I requested to see the ultrasound as they were doing it. They said that the "egg sack" was deformed and tried to point it out on the screen, but I really couldn't see anything. It was barely there.

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   luvpassionposted 14 years ago

   What was the blog address habee?
   
   Teri

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I'll see if I can find it again.

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   Teri, it was in the comments section of this article:
   
   http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … 04957.html

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   megs78posted 14 years ago

   Interesting idea.  It probably would sway the womans decision, so for that reason, I'm sure a lot of women would refuse the ultrasound.  Its easier to close our eyes because what we don't know can't hurt us right?

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   I'm not sure it helps any with the decision, unless the assumption is that the woman's maternal instinct would kick in upon seeing the images.
   
   There are many obvious drawbacks.  The anti-choice crowd, finally realizing that Roe v Wade is reality, have chosen a new strategy that involves throwing up obstacles to choice - driving doctors out of business (sometimes through intimidation, in extreme cases through terrorism), 24 hour waiting periods and the like.
   
   This imaging suggestion is nothing new; it's about eroding choice instead of outlawing it.

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   cupid51posted 14 years ago

   Abortion except in some special cases where there is a threat for life, should be discouraged.

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   wyanjenposted 14 years ago

   The idea may have a positive intent, but I wouldn't support it.
   If you are thinking about this from the perspective of a woman who is making a casual lifestyle choice, I wouldn't argue with you - not one little bit.
   
   But women who are forced by circumstance to make this gut wrenching decision don't need further pressure put on them. It is devastating.

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   luvpassionposted 14 years ago

   I feel for Kate and her family, however I have to agree with Ron and Wyan on this. A woman doesn't make this choice lightly and this would only add to her dilema...my opinion.
   
   Teri

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    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    I think that a woman should have the decision, a matter of choice. "Do you want to have an ultrasound to help aid your decision"...... "No"...... "Thats fine then, we'll go ahead"...
    
    Or..... "Yes".... "Ok sure, we'll get you in tomorrow".... Simples.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    No matter what choice woman makes it shouldn't be based on some crappy religious morality views.

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       megs78posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ITs not about religion.  Never has been.  This is about life and everyone knows it.  Easy to put a religious spin on it if its not you in the equation.  When its personal, religion is the last thing you're thinking about.

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    Rayalternatelyposted 14 years ago

    Women facing a decision about whether to abort a pregnancy should be offered support and empathy, that's all. People pressuring them with their moral opinions aren't helpful.

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    The topic of abortion shouldn't even exist. It is a misconception which has be perpetuated forth, so as to divide citizenry.
    
    The procedure is offered by the medical community. It is the woman's choice to pick that as an option.
    
    There isn't any other authority or being on this planet who has the right to tell her what she must do with her own body, regardless of the life-form growing in her body.
    
    It remains her body, therefore only her choice to make.
    
    Government shouldn't be involved and neither should the church.
    
    Just my thoughts on the subject.

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       qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree Cags!

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          wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Unfortunately the church seems to disagree.
          
          The thought that people believe they have a right to control me and my own body puts a knot in my stomach. I'm sick to death of this imposed morality.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    If you chose to let your child sky dive without a parachute would that be ok too? If you chose to do heroin would that be for you to decide? Are you so ignorant that when you as an adult has sex you wouldn't take precautions? And if you're that stupid should you really be making a life and death decision for the child?
    
    Abortion used as a method of birth control is criminal.

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Nope.
       
       Legal.
       
       Your church does not get to decide, smart folks do.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, murdering children should be left up to liberals! Hell, whats one more moral failure? You might as well have a set!

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             Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Murdering children has nothing to do with the topic.  Protecting the rights guaranteed by our constitution does.
             
             And yes, liberals do a much better job of that.

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    megs78posted 14 years ago

    I can't stress enough how I feel about abortion.  Its not a way out.  It's a horrible decision to make.  It's not the way to go.  But it is not always criminal.  It should never be a form of birth control, that is for sure.  But you can't lump everyone into the same category.  I sometimes feel that its very easy for men to judge women, having never been faced with the same life-changing decision to make.

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Whatever the law is I'll obey it but thats only my opinion.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I don't believe that is an accurate statement.

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             sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I'll obey the law because thats what Jesus said we should do. I'll cast my vote against additional abortion rights and what I stated about abortion is my opinion. Not accurate?

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                Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Illegal Immigration laws are different?
                
                I believe that a more accurate statement would have been:
                
                If you agree with the law you'll follow it. If you don't agree with the law and can get away with breaking it, that is what you'll do. (Which I believe is an accurate description of myself as well.)

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                   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Mikel as I said before I have a employment agency, Kelly Services, send me applicants. They are suppose to screen applicants then if I choose to keep them I send their paperwork to Paychecks and they set them up in their system. If at any point in the process they are identified as illegal I dismiss them until they can prove otherwise.
                   
                   I'm not a law enforcement officer so I take reasonable eforts to ensure we are legit.
                   
                   PS. I am opposed to illegal imigration without exception.

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    pinkyleeposted 14 years ago

    personally i dont agree with abortion period

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Pinky I bow to your greatness!

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          pinkyleeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          its just wrong no matter how the woman got pregnant .. there are just way to many people who cant have kids, or have a hard time having them so opt for adoption. even if a woman cant love the child for the reason the child began to grow inside them someone else will. it aint the childs fault that there are problems, or the mother was raped, or any other situation. its a life from day one.

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             sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Pinky you're great!

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    CYBERSUPEposted 14 years ago

    I agree evey woman thinking abortion, should see a 4D ultrasound and know that if they did have an abortion, it would be murder, regarless when it took place.

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       kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       then how many of us need be charged with accomplices?

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    In response to Habee's original question, I don't know....   I think most people old enough to be pregnant have already seen pictures of early fetuses.  I'm not necessarily a big "lover-of-abortion", but I'm not sure making women look at pictures serves much purpose beyond attempting to sway the woman's decision to be what someone else thinks it should be.
    
    One of my girlfriends (when we were 23/24 years old) had an "unplanned" pregnancy with a boyfriend she'd gone out with for awhile.  She had always been absolutely opposed to abortion (raised Catholic, but also opposed based on her own thinking it out).  We discussed the surprise pregnancy, and she seemed to be planning to keep it.  All of a sudden she told me she was getting an abortion (6 weeks or so).  She said her boyfriend had "said it's nothing anyway".   A year or so later they got married.  She was pregnant, and at six or so weeks along she was talking as if the baby she was expecting was "a real child".  I was amazed that she could be convinced to see one six-week fetus as "nothing" and be talking about another six-week fetus as if it was a kindergarten child, all here and that she loved (all that mind-changing in a mere one year).
    
    My point is I think for most women it isn't a matter of not knowing what's "in there".  I think it's a matter of needing to believe in whatever way they need to believe in order to do what they're going to do anyway.  (In the case of my girlfriend, it was that she wanted to keep her boyfriend, rather than lose him.)
    
    I guess I think as long as abortion is legal, there's a point where trying to dissuade someone from getting one shouldn't be part of the process of getting one.  I know it's easier said than done, but I still think the time to aim to reduce the number of abortions (or than the kind associated with rape and incest) is before anyone has an unwanted pregnancy.  The world is full of people who knew the "seriousness" of abortion and managed to get to be elderly without ever letting an "accident" happen.  The problem with the numbers of abortion, I think, is somewhere other than women not knowing what a fetus looks like.

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       wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "I think it's a matter of needing to believe in whatever way they need to believe in order to do what they're going to do anyway."
       
       Very astute.  I think you have something there.

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    Faybe Bayposted 14 years ago

    Sadly, I am here only this one time to ask you to look at our American History.
    
    I am not for abortion. I am for everyone having the right to choose. I believe that choice is why we are here. My daughter is working on a college paper. She found out that when the west was being won women kept diaries that were not shared until many years later.
    
    One such passage was by a young wife and mother, begging her husband that they turn back. She was not providing enough milk for their infant, because of the poor nutrition. The baby would not stop crying, because it was hungry. The woman's heart was breaking as she pleaded with the father. He said he would take care of it. She heard a thud and the baby stopped crying. He buried the baby. He told her she could have more after they were settled.
    
    I just found out one of my ancestors was hanged for killing her own children.
    
    Personally I believe that education, good education, and good health care would preclude any decisions ever having to be made. There are plenty of ways to enjoy oneself without getting pregnant. But those books were banned from our shelves by men who didn't want women to know how not to get pregnant, and women who helped prevent pregnancy were burned as witches.
    
    Now you debate whether a 4D Ultrasound would help? I wanted to start a movement in the 80s about education in the face of abortion, I was told that telling young girls that they would still suffer postpartum depression after an abortion was a violation of their rights. Education is a violation of their rights? Education about the nature of hormonal causes behind certain depressions is a violation of your civil rights, just so you know
    If people have already voted down education, what good are more tests? It's just more money for the medical field, you know those whose forerunners burned midwives at the stake for witches.

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    USMCwifey09posted 14 years ago

    Taking religion out of it: there is proven psychological and biological damage done to the woman when having an abortion.

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