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The Abortion

Updated on April 2, 2013
Nobody WANTS an Abortion!
Nobody WANTS an Abortion!


Sprawled near-naked on cold pavement, in shock and petrified,

Believing at that moment it'd be better had she died!

Damaged and degraded - innocence belied,

Her mind and spirit shattered - through swollen lids she cried.


Just sixteen years of age, buying Christmas gifts for friends,

One man's crazed obsession means another childhood ends.


As her brain begins to function - she feels for her phone,

Dials 911 - this small effort makes her moan.

Blackened eyes and bloodied - at least one broken bone,

Yet all she can remember - is the stench of his cologne!


Sixteen years old, her future bright - top of her class in school,

The world was her oyster - how could fate be so cruel?


Police, bright lights, hard questions - a rape kit and a smear,

Wishing she could curl up and simply disappear.

Her horror indescribable whence the Doctor makes it clear,

The monster who attacked her - has left a souvenir!


Sixteen years old, so sheltered - trusted Justice, Truth and God,

Finding out the hard way that the System's badly flawed!


Disgusted and appalled - this much she knows for sure,

A rapist's seed inside her - would never be endured!

Yet Sunday's Sermon speaks of LIFE - Each Precious, Blessed, and Pure,

It's meant to be - don't question it. His wrath you shall incur!


Sixteen years old, just barely - loved her Country, Kin and Church,

Needing empathy and guidance - yet they left her in the lurch!


Once sparkling with potential - eyes now a vacant stare,

Ostracized and shunned for ending the nightmare.

Revolt and shame her life-mates - the sentence so unfair,

Zygote staunchly defended - The woman?

Not a Prayer!


Long LIVE Roe v. Wade...

Nobody WANTS an Abortion
Nobody WANTS an Abortion

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      Justsilvie 4 years ago

      Your poetry is always very powerful and in this you can feel the girls’ emotions and fear, it brought tears to my eyes. That any person would ostracize someone going through this drama or demand they carry the child are inhumane in my eyes but I know it happens.

      Some think they have the right to judge or decide another person’s life path and I often wonder if they are just blind to their judgmental and cruel behavior.

      Well done as always, Leslie. Voted up and shared

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Well my friend, you have done it again. Although this may be a piece of fiction, the story line rings so true for too many and especially if Roe V Wade was ever overturned. As you know, I haven't been very active lately, but for some strange reason I clicked on this today. As a dad to 3 daughters and a grandpa to a granddaughter I seethe when I think about some old gray haired men sitting around trying to upend women's rights to choose. How dare they? I despise men who want to control females, but I loathe them even more when they want to strip (no pun intended) away a woman's right to what she decides is best for her and her body. I'll end this again with, "How dare they?"

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      Anan Celeste 4 years ago from California

      I am at a loss for words. I don't think is necessary to add or discuss anything further that what you already expressed. I am writing because is the only way I can pay my respects to you,the writer, and symbolically take off my hat to you. Thumbs up.

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Powerful! That's really all I can say IM, moving and powerful. Voted up and awesome.

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      FyrFytr234 4 years ago

      You imagery as well as your thoughts are powerful and clear. An interesting dilemma for the pro-lifers indeed. The debate on abortion will probably never end, but to force a woman to carry a child concieved in rape is just plain absurd! Once again you've struck a nerve...and hard. Great hub...once again. Voted up and shared. You amaze me.

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      Deborah Neyens 4 years ago from Iowa

      I admire your ability to address social issues through poetry in such a powerful way.

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      Susan Zutautas 4 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      WOW!

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      Rev Bruce S Noll HMN 4 years ago from Asheville NC

      Hi Leslie,

      So powerful, so powerful indeed! The mark you leave on the hearts and minds of people is powerful, so powerful. You are correct. The debate will never end, irrespective of the judgements. (pun intended) Someday perhaps, we will discuss another aspect and perspective of this controversial topic. For now, I would like to remind you of a decision you were pondering. Because of censorship you considered leaving Hubpages. This is one of the many reasons I hoped you'd to reconsider. No one does this better! Thanks for being!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I think I have said this before, but you are like a force of nature. Constantly moving, constantly uprooting myopic thinking, constantly changing the landscape around you. This is as powerful a message as can be delivered by a writer. Exceptional work my friend.

      yours in spirit

      love,

      bill

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      Poetic Fool 4 years ago

      Leslie, your poem is perfect and perfectly tragic. This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. One she can't get out of without scars. It's beyond unfair and it sucks. Your poem puts a face, feelings and voice to those who for many are only statistics. They're not statistics, they're people who didn't ask or invite this to happen.

      You're a very gifted and talented writer, Leslie. It great to see you using your talent this way. Thank you!

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      Louisa Rogers 4 years ago from Eureka, California and Guanajuato, Mexico

      As a reader, a survivor of rape, and a woman who has had an abortion, I thank you for writing so eloquently on these awful topics so that others can better understand.

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      My dear friend.. I am crying.. I am reliving what happened to me through your poem .. the hurt and pain is indescribable.. it doesn't matter how old you are but as a young teenager your view on life is shattered..

      You know how to capture our hearts and let us know what is right and what is wrong.. many blessings to you.

      thank you again and sharing

      Debbie

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      ahorseback 4 years ago

      IMKarn , I couldn't agree with you more ! And Dammit , if you don't always speak the unspeakable truth ! Your my hero Girl !..........and your just too cute too !.........Ed

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      This is very cruel and degrading. You have a talent and a good way for capturing these raw emotions down on paper.

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      Live To Write 4 years ago from Phoenix, Az.

      This is a a fact for so many young people... why it continues to go on is a sad commentary on our "quote-on-quote" society

      and this is one of the unfortunate products of it

      very well said as usual ImKarn

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      HattieMattieMae 4 years ago from Limburg, Netherlands

      Very deep! :) Very real and devastating! :)

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      Dana Strang 4 years ago from Ohio

      This is amazing! Really. You speak volume upon volume in this.

      It seems so many forget that there is a woman (or girl) involved. They talk about bearing a child like it is no big deal. Just give it up for adoption. They have no idea what they are saying. I have never had a child, but I am very close to many that have. I have seen them go through it. That is partly why I am sad to say that I might never be able to do it.

      Childbirth is not something anyone should be forced into. It has a huge impact on the life and mental and physical health of the woman. My heart goes out to anyone that has been n this situation or anything like it.... Abortion is eqiually serious. Not something to be taken lightly. But I truly believe that there are cases when it is the better choice. I also believe that it is up to the woman to do what it right for her. And she should be fully supported in whatever she decides.

      Thank you Leslie for this powerful glimpse into a delicate and controversial issue.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Leslie, your poetry is always so powerful and the message is clear. It would be a difficult decision, but it is HER'S to make. To those who say, " It is a sin. " They must first walk in her shoes. It is so easy for some to say that abortion is wrong, no matter the circumstance. As you know, i am a nurse and this happened before 1973 when the Roe v Wade law was enacted. I was working in a hospital when this woman came in holding her stomach, in severe pain. She had six children, all close in age. She told the Doctor that she had attempted to abort by using a coat hanger. She was taken to the operating room and a D&C was done to stop the bleeding. Women who do not want a child will resort back to this if it becomes illegal to have an abortion. Thank you for always speaking out. Keep on writing Girl...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Justsilvie: Hi, sweetie...ya know - i could never write a book - i was exhausted just writing this...lol..

      Glad you found some value in it - the abortion 'issue' is a non-issue as far as i'm concerned..they don't have to pay for it - but - nobody owns our bodies but US!

      Stop in anytime, Sylvie - the welcome mat's always out for you..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Pagesvoice: I understand your concerns, D - as you are well aware...this last election really, REALLY concerned me - the right just seemed SO far right as to be almost surreal - i felt like i was living in 1930 germany - just waiting for you-know-who to take power...(although, i believe he actually got power in '29?..or...'32? can't remember..

      Love when you stop by, Dennis, but - you're well aware of that as well..

      can't get one over on you..haha

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      My stance on the matter is women (alone) should choose. I will still be confused, but women are, I feel, most effected. Good job on this.

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Dear Leslie - such powerful poetic words to vividly paint a horrendous injustice against a woman, a human being. Such an intensely personal choice must be made by she whose life already in progress is at stake. Equally wrong would be for others to force her to choose abortion, which would also deny her her own right of choice & would demean her as a person.

      The poetry is just exquisite in its own right, plus its amazingly effective message.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      This is so sad. How awful to realise that the people you had put so much trust in could betray you like that when you needed them most. I can't really find the words to say how heart-breaking this is.

      Voted up, awesome and shared.

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      A lot of emotion packed in 28.5 rhyming couplets! Nicely (powerfully) done Karen. One small suggestion (which as a fellow writer I do with hesitation, but perhaps for the good)... Your poem is so strong and impactful, I would remove the 2 line News Flash at the end. Why? It's not needed; it's an editorial at the end of a piece of art; you need not dot the i for supporters of Roe v Wade and legal abortion, they "got it" by your 8th line... As for those on the fence or against abortion under any circumstances -- I say, let them marinate in the harsh reality and the real emotions you put forth, and walk away unsettled, rather than provide a p.s. rallying cry that they will simply disagree with, and now feel free to ignore the emotions they just felt, right? Your poem, your art, speaks for itself. best, Ken

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      Sharon Christy 4 years ago from India

      Filled with anguish and heart wrenching sorrow! Powerful poetry!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ananceleste: No words required - the few you used speak volumes. thank you, my friend..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Tillsontitan: Sadly..it happens too often..

      Sorry to rain(reign?) on the sweet, loving holiday sentiment...sigh..

      On the other hand- someone has to..

      So appreciate your support, Mary! All the best to you and yours...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fyrfytr234: Welllll, hellllo, big boy! While i am a believer in gender roles - i also believe that those 'genders' need to man up enough to not be terrified of 'free' women - or try to control them in all the wrong ways..

      soo sad...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahNeyens: Thank you! that is a lovely compliment!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: Hello, and welcome! As are your comments and thoughtful, respectful suggestions!

      Hmmmm...ya know - i actually thought twice about the 'add', but - obviously - in the end decided to go with it.

      You are right though - it may just be the point where the pro-lifers get their indignantcy on..

      Interestingly - with all the pro-life hubris - there's not ONE comment supporting it here yet...

      Hmmmmm again...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Born2care2001: Hello there - so nice to see you - sadly, under these circumstances..

      Sigh..honestly - i don't think i could ever leave the hub - because that would mean leaving too many amazing friends and writers that live here..

      On the other hand - this hub has already been denied advertising - or income...

      NOTHING PISSES ME OFF MORE - it's like they punish me for hitting on topics that actually MATTER - it's not like i'm writing porn - i'm writing real LIFE...they really need to reassess...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: grrrrrrr...to 'myopic thinking'...is that not the problem - and it seems to be getting bigger (orrrr...smaller?..lol..whicheva'..)

      Talking about forces of nature, Bill - i may be a bit of a biting breeze - but YOU, sir - are a rip-roarin' hurricane!

      LOL...(says yo sista' from another motha'...and fatha'...)

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Screw the tiny ad dollars, leave the Hub. It's important, if not vital. Let someone else make a few bucks with "How to Make Christmas Cookies in the Shape of Squirrels".... Keep your heart, and your unique voice, online. Happy Hanukah, Happy Holidays, Happy Hot-Smart Girls are the Best Girls -- and I'll quit while I'm ahead. Ken

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Poetic Fool: You are sooo right on here! She's done. Her life as she knew it is dead and has now been completely redefined! Now, if somebody could please explain to me why rape doesn't have a 'lifetime' statute of limitation, like murder - because - she may not be in the ground, but - she's still dead..

      guessing it's because men make the laws?????????????

      And on that note - thanks for stopping by, my friend...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @LouisaRogers: i wish i could express my feelings towards you and what you experienced - but - that's impossible, isn't it? It's not something comprehensible, or understandable - to anyone who's not experienced the horror of not knowing if they were going to die at the hands of another human being...

      i cannot fathom, but - i can certainly empathize - deeply! I'm soo sorry this happened to you and all i can do is send wam, tight hub-hugs and fresh clean Karma!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahBrooks: We've shared...a lot, my friend! I knew this would affect you, but i also knew that you'd...get it - which of course - you have!

      Silence is permission to these animals...let them at least work under the glare of the spotlight, yes?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: LOLOLOL...laughing out loud...still! Thanks, Ken - Ja made my day!

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      Thomas Silvia 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi my friend love this hub, this poem is so powerful and shows sometimes the unfairness of the world. Bravo for stand up and being heard through your writings and believes, i am proud to call you my friend. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas !!!

      Vote up and more !!! (I dare ) SHARING !

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ahorseback: Shall we start a mutual admiration club - or - have we already done that? lol..

      Thanks for your kind words, Cowboy...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovedoctor926: I agree, Doc - it's ugly, but - it's happening every day...in the name of god yet - or - should i say - religion...2 completely different things...sigh..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @LaurinzoScott: So nice to see you, sir! Thought i might have said something to piss you off..(i know it's hard to believe...lol)..

      Perhaps my political views? no? How bout my social views? NO? Hmmmm...my views on sex? men?...

      Well, I for one am glad you risked a return visit - hope it was as good for you as it was for me! lol..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Hattiemattiemae: so nice to see you Hattie. Thanks for taking the time..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DanaTeresa: I agree, my friend - there are definitely circumstances where abortion is the best - if not the only - choice, and - it's not necessarily due to rape!

      Another mass shooting today with at least 20 children under the age of 10 were murdered - can you imagine the crime rate if we were forced to have MORE unwanted children? i just heard that the reason behind THIS one was that the gunman's MOTHER worked at the school...Hmmmmm....i am ill...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Alwaysexploring: Hello, Ruby dear! Sigh..i am sickened to hear of this poor woman, but - she was far from alone, sadly..Had the republicans won the last election - we could no doubt look forward to that sort of thing happening again...and again...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mhatter99: Here, here, Martin! Who else BUT the woman...

      You know - kinda like men are allowed to govern their own bodies and what they do - and do not - with them..

      Be well, my friend..

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Leslie..........Beyond Brilliant.

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      ahorseback 4 years ago

      Leslie ! Yes .....please !........:-}

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      This is absolutely amazing... so powerful, so true. Sharing.

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      Sadly, this is a story I have heard from other women. What a vivid account of what happens to many. Thanks for reminding us to reach out to those who are hurting in this way.

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      Ruchira 4 years ago from United States

      Beautiful reminder to count our blessings and help reach out to those in need.

      Loved it and I dare to share it across :)

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      It is so hard when we have been forcibly put into difficult situations. A powerful write, Leslie.

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Oh how moving and powerful Leslie; here I vote this masterpiece up and share all over.

      Have a great weekend.

      Eddy.

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      Caroline Marie 4 years ago from Close to Heaven

      Wow this was so amazing. Very powerful message spoken in your trademark style. Loved it. :)

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      Powerful as always. You always know how to get to the essence of whatever you are sharing. And your words are always amazing to me. Voting UP.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: Good morning dear! My apologies for not responding in a more timely manner, but - i had a bit of an anxiety attack yesterday because of the shooting...I probably wrote a hub while in a tizzy that i shouldn't have - i'm afraid to check the comments on it...lol..

      Please don't believe for a second that idon't deeply appreciate your support - and the beautiful comments you leave me! Thank you Nellie...be safe today...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Phoenix2327: Terribly sorry for taking so long to respond...yesterday i was paralyzed by the sickening news!

      Thanks for visiting my little hub-corner, Phoenix - i do very much appreciate it..

      And for 'sharing' - much appreciated!

      Have a awesome, safe, warm day up there in the great UK!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @SharonChristy: Hi Sharon - so sweet of you to drop in and leave such a heart-felt comment! Thank you dear...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Eiddwen: Hi, Eddy - i see you are having the problem of your comments seemingly disappearing...rewriting it - and then - BOTH appear! I had the same problem yesterday!

      You are such an amazing woman and i am lucky to call you friend - i mean that from my heart, Eddy! I can tell what you have inside you - and that you're an old soul!

      I appreciate your support, friendship - and sharing...

      Thank you..(god i'm feeling sooo mushy today....)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Carolinemd21: Hello, my beautiful, sweet friend! I can't tell you how much your words mean to me..

      Thank you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Carol7777: Hi, Carol - always so good to see you dear! This poem...hurt...to write - that's the only word i can find to describe...it took 2 days and several naps to complete...lol..

      I'm glad it held some impact for you as well!

      thanks for your amazing support, my friend - it is very much appreciated!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @midget38: I agree, dear...some 'situations' are worse than others, of course! Such as the 'situation' of yesterday...omfg! I soooo want everybody who agrees that gun control AND bullet control are necessary to SPEAK! I believe we have a very small window of opportunity after yesterdays unbelievable events to OPEN a mind - or maybe even two!

      Thanks so much for your support, Michelle! Please know it's appreciated!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fpherj48: Short and sweet, Paula - i understand completely - there's very little that can be said...sigh..

      xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HLPhoenix: Not an easy write - and, i'm sure - not an easy read - for some more than others..

      i love you GOAH, and thanks for sharing!

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      Live To Write 4 years ago from Phoenix, Az.

      No my friend you didn't say anything to piss me off (YOU???) lol.

      I was just not on for awhile doing the hibernating bear routine ...anyway it is good to be back and to see that you are still fabulously writing, or writing fabulously... well you know what I mean!!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Teaches12345: Hi, Teaches, and - welcome! I wrote a hub about the sexual abuse of gymnasts (i used to be a gymnast who left home to live in a dorm in another country to train, and - the abuse happened just down the road at another gym) The girls involved contacted me after reading it! Their #1 problem was the statute of limitations! It happened to them while in training - and none of them could report it or speak of it for...decades..

      Why is it that only murder has a lifetime statute of limitations when crimes such as rape have much shorter ones - and yet - the victim's life as she knew it - is as good as dead?

      I don't understand the difference - maybe you could help me, Teach? Lol..

      Thanks for taking the time

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ruchira: Exactly dear! We must embrace these poor souls - not reject, ex-communicate, stigmatize, them!

      It's barbaric!

      Thanks for stopping by AND for sharing, Ruchira!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @LaurinzoScott: I do know what you mean, and - thank you!

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      Cindy Murdoch 4 years ago from Texas

      As usual, your words are so very well placed and hit the target. I am amazed by your talent. This is truly a very tough issue to address. I see both sides of the issue and all I can say is we live in a fallen and hurting world. We all need to reach out with love and hope to everyone because when we do something that someone does not agree with, how do we want to be treated? With mercy, love, compassion and grace ...

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      ..well it looks like I will have to come up with an abortion story of my own - lol - I just love writing from the point of view from a woman or even a gay person - but my lovely Leslie I must truthfully say - no one writes quite like you - no one !!!! You are a creative anomaly and - also something I always look for - a writer who is not afraid to speak her poetic mind and dare to go places others are afraid of - hubbravo for your bravery, courage, nerve and verve - and panache - sending you warm wishes and how is winter for you so far? lake erie time canada 3:30pm here it has mostly been rain - very little snow - although all of that could change in a day or so

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie - I just wrote it up - my take on the abortion issue called A life denied - wrote it on my walk around the bay of my lake or my writer's walk as I call it - lake erie time 4:15pm

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      Terry Chestnutt 4 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio

      Interesting reference to God. What do we do with the fact that hideous things happen in a world perhaps created by God? The God that created the lamb also created the lion, it would seem, and when the lion prays for his meat it is provided. Puzzling, to be sure.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Homesteadbound: Hi, Cindy, so nice to see you - unfortunately under these circumstances..

      Thank you so much for your beautiful compliment - it is deeply appreciated, even though i'm squirming just a tad - i'm better at giving than receiving..(compliments too..lol)..

      I sooo hope we're making a difference - i hope i'm not fooling myself into thinking we are- cause i DO think we are...maybe one person at a time - maybe only 1 a week/month/year - but...every one is one more, yes?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Leartosuckless: Lol...well, hello to you too! I see you haven't taken your own name's advice yet? That's ok - we're patient over here at the hub - but - not forever..

      Honestly - i don't like your comment - but not only because of the words - which are untrue - but moreso - the 'tude!

      You've never 'visited me before - have some manners - that's what we do here...if you can't manage that - don't bother 'visiting'...

      Onto other subjects: If you find these words to be 'LOVELY' - you're beyond my contempt..

      And on that note - i doubt i gained a new fan, eh?

      ah, well...such is my lot in life...lol..

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Leslei - - -Never - I repeat NEVER - - fret for a moment about delay or any other byproduct of your being honest and true-blue in expressing your strong convictions, which involve you fully.

      Do not - I repeat - DO NOT leave HP. Your honesty is priceless. But, still, do what you think best, of course. Just one adage: -no one can eat it and have it too. 'Payment' buys - - too much.

      The tragedy in Connecticutt was/is a major priority. All these innocent and courageous lives, victims of another crazed youth. Gun control is an evident need. But I have to question the personal philosophy involved. I admit that my first response is that we've taught folks to resort to violence, in lieu or better responses, if opposed. It's reaping what's been & is being sowed. Ads, cartoons, movies, shows teach this to youngsters.- Why be surprised if they buy into it? Why is this being allowed? Aren't' its consequences dramatic enough yet?

      Couldn't sensible handling of frustration be promoted? Oh, it's not so very cool but, . . . what does it take for reevaluation of what is being foisted on our vulnerable kids at every hand, in the name of sales &/or entertainment? Have we become so purblind?

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Leslie? leaving? She's just over at my place having a rum and coca cola - ole!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epigramman: Just read it Colin - that was very quickly - and beautifully done...

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Whew!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @learntosuck: no..i just don't like assholes...you've been flagged, now go away little boy - you're bothering the adults...

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Hi Nellieanna - you're invited too - how about a rum and egg nog?

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Leslie, I support you here. You're an amazing writer! Epi, am I invited too? lol. nothing like a classic rum eggnog to make your guests more merry.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Learntosuckless.....here's the thing buddy.....between Leslie and I and a couple hundred of our loyal followers, we can get your ass kicked off of this site.....so take your attitude somewhere else where you might be appreciated. This is where serious writers write; writer wannabees can go practice somewhere else....like kindergarten for instance.

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      Catharine 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie,

      I think it's appalling and inexcusable whenever women are raped, and it makes me sick when people like Todd Atkins claim that a "woman's body has a way of shutting down" conception during a "legitimate rape", implying the heinous lie that a woman must have "really wanted it" if she managed to conceive during a rape. Obviously Mr. Atkins never took high school biology! A US judge was just publicly censored by a judicial board for remarks similar to this, and this kind of misinformed misogyny really sickens me.

      But I do have my own religious views that even a zygote has worth, that life begins at conception and is valuable. It's not a fetus or baby's fault that they were created by a monster, however I DO NOT support rapists having paternal rights. But I have heard of women who made the sacrifice of carrying the baby to term and either giving it up for adoption, or even managing to love the baby for what it is--a valuable human being--despite the crime of its conception.

      The organization I belong to, Feminists for Life, shares stories of women who made that decision. I personally feel that choosing to abort a baby conceived in rape only further extends the cycle of violence begun by the rapist. I am 100% sure you're not going to like what I'm saying, but it's what I believe .

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      Leslie, I already said this to billybuc and now I'm saying this to you. We need people like you and Bill to poke us out of our complacency and remind us we have social responsibilities (or words to that effect) . Your fans love you for your spirited and inspired writings, for your honest and witty responses and your 'give 'em hell' attitude when visitors don't play nice. (Just take the compliment.)

      At the end of the day, it's your choice if you want to leave, but please remember all those who will miss you. :( (No pressure, just telling it like it is.)

      You're not really going to leave are?!

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      Martie Coetser 4 years ago from South Africa

      Lesley, this is the kind of prose-poem that shocks a reader to a standstill. It rips into the subconscious, pulls bad memories - not only of personal experiences, but also of detail we have heard, read, saw - and it brings us over and over to the point where we just know that all systems fail when it comes to serious evil. It seems to me if man is born incapable of creating a system efficient enough to prevent and fight serious EVIL.

      I see you, Leslie, as a writer with the extra-ordinary talent to confront readers with reality. You call a spade a spade and you force us to react impulsively. Via reaction, we expose our true nature, including our wounds, scars and shortcomings.

      Re learntosuckless - keep in mind that he/she is a new member with only one hub published up to date - and according to the title, a rant. They don't know us or our ways. I guess we should just tell them that negative comments are not welcome in here, but that they are welcome to present their views on the matter as well as their views on people's reaction on the matter in an entire hub, in accordance with HubPage's rules. After all, HubPages is THE site for sharing personal knowledge, perceptions and wisdom.

      Take care, Leslie! Write on, hub on, USE your talents, be happy! DON'T approve negative comments; don't allow anybody to spoil your hubs. Rather discuss them via email with your close friends. (Believe me, I've learned this lesson the hard way. Ask Nellieanna; she's my momma; she treated my wounds.)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: If and when i ever go into battle, Bill - You're coming with me! Final answer! Thanks for your amazing support, my friend!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epigramman: Hmmmm....where did this comment disappear to? Lol...i found the one under it, but...sigh..

      sadly, ep - being the stubborn type - the more i'm pushed - the more i'm committed to doing it my way....

      powers that be - be damned...(i think..yikes..lol)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: You can't get rid of me that easy, Nellie! I can't tell you how much i appreciate your passionate, interesting comments! You know what's happening my friend - i like that in a woman...(or a man..lol)

      namaste, dear...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epigramman: Lol...see what happens when i have a drink? ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....i'm out like a light! omg..i'm the life of the party - can ya just imagine?

      Ummmm....not!

      You're corrupting me with alcohol...(hic..()

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epigramman: Oh, goody - Nellie's coming...who else E?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovedoctor926: I feel your support, girlfriend - all the way to canada! I also appreciate you verbalizing it every now and then - and you know i feel exactly the same! And - on Epi's behalf - and because i'm politically incorrect - of COURSE you're invited...LOL..

      Mmmmmwwwwwaaaaaahhhh.....xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CatherineOtto: I know your stance on the topic of rape and agree with you 100%, as you know! I know you read the article i wrote on that dickhead aikins - sooo arrogant that he wouldn't step down until he was slapped down...SIX terms??? He had friends and supporters who believe the same crap he does...trust me on that..

      As far as the abortion issue goes - we'll just have to agree to disagree, my friend!

      You know i value your friendship and your opinions..

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Leslie, I believe in freedom of choice. No government should impose upon a woman whether or not to carry a child. Rape is scary. You think you're going to die. And the memories never leave you. Ever. Even if you haven't been impregnated, the memories haunt you from time to time.

      Awesome poem of awareness and conscience.

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      Rev Bruce S Noll HMN 4 years ago from Asheville NC

      Leslie,

      Listen to your heart! Whatever you feel is good for you, I accept! You are talented and no one can take that away from you. You are intelligent and bold and free! What else could anyone ask for? I say, of course, just keep being you...but stay in touch, no matter where! K?

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      Catharine 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie,

      I value your friendship and opinions too. I simply wanted to clarify my point of view, and yes we definitely can agree to disagree on this. We are on the same page on so many things, and I appreciate your honesty and lack of animosity, as well as your writing ability :)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Phoenix2327: Hi! I'd have responded soon, but - they 'unpublished' the hub! I seem to displease the powers that be on a regular basis - i'm not 'vanilla' enough...

      sigh...i do try - can you tell? lol

      I appreciate your encouraging words of support, dear and i will do my damndest to be heard! like i always say - share if you dare..lol..

      Btw - you guys could not possibly get rid of me that easily, even if ya wanted to - my skin is thick - the marshmallow is usually well covered..lol..

      i would miss soooooooo many hubbers - it makes me tear up to think about it...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MartieCoetser: Hello, my friend - as mentioned above - this hub's been 'down' for about 18 hours now..sigh..it soooo irritates me, but - i do my best to invoke patience...ohmmm...(grrrrrr....lol)..

      Nellieanna's yo mama? You lucky lucky girl, you - she is amazingly wise and unbelievably beautiful!

      You've already informed me that 'our friend' above has been banned - but none the less - you know i appreciate your having my back!

      Warm thoughts and best wishes!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Bravewarrior: I know you do! Why limit a womans right to choose but nothing on the man? It's CLEARLY biased based on who runs the world and makes the rules..

      we need to be ever vigilant here, i fear..

      for some reason - they feel they need to control us - i've often wondered if it's an issue of fear.. ya know? uh-huh...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CatherineOtto: Honey - if everyone agreed with me - what a boring world it would be! Better as well - but boring..lol..

      I know we have tons in common - and i appreciate a good conversation with an intelligent, civilized friend..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Born2care2001: Lol..i'm gonna have to have a word with Nellieanna - bless her adorable heart! She's clearly started a rumor that's catching fire with no kindling..lol..

      I'm STAYING! You're stuck with me - stuck like glue! we clear?

      Lol..

      now..let's kiss and make up...

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      I don't mind vanilla but with the endless array of flavours in the world, why stick to just one? I enjoy reading your hubs. They're sort of like chocolate and chilli. Delicious with a bit of bite. Yum.

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Amazing poem, my friend! Up, up and awesome+ You have such a talent with words and a great grasp of what really matters. Proud to know you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Phoenix2327: Mmmmmmm...i like that choco-chili - let's patent it! Lol..

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      topquark 4 years ago from UK

      "Nobody wants an abortion"... so true. A woman wants an abortion like an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw its own leg off. Women need abortion to stay available as an option.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Btrbell: Sigh...a toughie, this one, Randi...beat the crap out of me..

      I do sooooo appreciate your kind, supportive words...kinda makes me wanna think about writing another one..

      And - the pleasure is allll mine, dear friend! You good peeps!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Topquark: Well, hello! You're the first to mention that 'comment'! Thanks for noticing - and thanks for being an intelligent, critically thinking human being! Bravo!

      Please - come again - the light's always on!

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      Ha-ha. Tempting as that offer is, I think the Aztecs already beat us to it. Or was it the Mayans? choco-chilli is a good name, though. It's fun to say.

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      Ray 4 years ago

      Small wonder you have many dedicated followers luv...The wording of your writings ,poems or otherwise,always strike a cord. That in turn gets people thinking ...and reacting !

      So talented !

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ray: Grrrrrrrrrrr.....where the hell have you been? Loll...don't answer that - i already know the laundry list of issues - including locking yourself in your attic with a dead phone and no neighbors!

      I'm just happy you're alive AND loving on my writing!

      kissesxx

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

      Forgive me Leslie. Somehow this got by me. Vote up. Powerful stuff. My heart goes out to women who have to suffer that way. This gets to the heart of the matter and packs a good wallop. Passing this on.

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      Graham Lee 4 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Leslie. a powerful and heartwrenching hub. It makes me want to shout from the roof tops that men are not all the same. Absolutely first class. Well done.

      Graham.

      Voted up and all.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @GypsyRoseLee: forgive you? silly woman - for WHAT? I'm pretty laid back as far as 'tit for tat' goes dear...

      i want people to read me because they LOVE what i write - and NEED to read it..CAN'T WAIT even...

      perhaps even toss and turn at night wondering when i'm going to publish something else??? OK, OK - clearly i've gone...over the cliff here..lol..

      In any case - i'm glad that this packs a punch - it was meant to shake from complacency..

      grrrrr...i hate complacency...lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Oldalbion: Sigh...we know all men aren't the same - omg! The problem is that too many are! Rape is by FAR the #1 crime - and by far the most under-punished!

      The numbers don't lie - now - it's time to wake up and smell the destruction!

      Please - share if you care!

      Happy New Year, my friend - be safe, healthy, and content!

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Leslie this still stirs my soul.. just had to read it again.. Blessings to you for writing this.. I love your boldness

      I think I have cabin fever.. being sick I haven't been able to go anywhere

      cant get in to see the doctor. ugh!!

      Happy New Year please be safe

      Here is to many more New years for both of us..

      Sharing and loving

      Debbie

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahBrooks: i so understand, dear!

      I adore your spirit, girlfriend - now - just keep it tied DOWN until you're alllll better! Geez..you're worse than a kid who wants to go out and play......waaaahhh...

      (lol..you know i'm teasing...xx)

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      I think men who pressure their woman to get an abortion when the woman doesn't want to are jerks. Especially if the woman tells the man at the start of the relationship she would never get one. And especially if he gets her pregnant while she's asleep. Men can be really selfish. I don't believe in abortion myself.

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      I was pressured into taking the MAP which I took. But at the time I thought it was a form of birth control. The pharmacist told me it was, and my trusted sister and friend told me to take it. I think if I was pregnant, it ceased the baby to exist, but I doubt I was. Either way I took it two hours after the fact. I did feel regret for awhile after. But imagine how I'd feel if I actually went into a clinic! My sister who told me to take the pill, had one in a clinic, many years ago, and to this day cannot forgive herself. I also still think it's bad no matter what the circumstance- because human life to me is human life, that's all. Only if the case is it would hurt the mother, then she should choose if she wants to live or the baby. I think abortion, like the suicide pill, and the killing of elderly or handicapped people is wrong. God decides when it's time to die.

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      Healthy Life 4 years ago from Connecticut, USA

      I love that you take on the brave and exciting topics! I can't imagine anyone feeling that they are in a position to make such an important decision for someone else. Having to deal with rape and a possible unwanted pregnancy adds to the horror of it all. You really have a gift for making people feel another person's pain. I'm just one of those people that doesn't judge others and would only help someone make a decision if asked but I know that is not the case with everyone.

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      I do want to say that Catholic and Christian at least now, do offer many services of help and comfort and counseling to woman in these situations if they choose to keep the baby or not.

      I understand in cases of rape or incest people would understandingly not want to have the baby. But for the sake of both sides- some would anyways becasue of their own opinion on things. I won't tell people what to do- i'm saying what I feel. amen.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey: I agree - they are jerks, but - they also have a genetic interest, soooo...

      ASLEEP? now, that's what i call dirty sex!

      Sooo..what you're saying is - The battle of the sexes 'RAGES' on?

      thanks for taking the time to stop by, my friend! Always a pleasure..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey; ime thinks we'll have to agree to disagree on this tender topic, my friend..I'm so sorry for your experience - weather you were or were not pregnant - i understand your regrets..

      Now..if you agree that 'hurting the mother' includes her emotional well being - then - we could agree to agree..

      lol..

      either way...love ya!

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      Thanks Leslie,

      I understand.....more than you know....I guess I've just been hesitant about it but I do understand. It's tricky!

      love ya too. :)

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      and I love you both...

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      ;) :)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Healthylife2: Thank you! I adore folks who try to NOT judge - or - try to judge with empathy. It's beyond the ken to think that anyone would have more control over MY own body - than ME!!! I can't even comprehend it! But - that's not the only problem : how society looks at the crime of rape is also soooo wrong - it's the ONLY crime where the victim has to prove her innocence. You can have your bicycle stolen or get mugged - and have WAY more credibility than a woman who's been raped! It's absolutely insane!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey: Yes dear..it is tricky...but...the fact remains - if 'religious organizations' are sooooo worried about the zygote - WHERE is their compassion for the actual, full-grown woman? when MEN are condemned for slipping on a condom or getting a vasectomy - at least THEN it would be a balanced bias..

      As it stands - it's just another opportunity for men - and religion - to control the female flocks...

      xx

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      I think if it's a choice the woman makes and she's irresponsible, she has no right to kill the error...It's really a matter of whether one agrees it's killing life. I belive some scientists says life begins at conception...I'l have to look that up to be sure. If life begins at conception...also, many abortions I've heard go to after 3-4 months, or even up to 7-9mo? Isn't partial birth abortion when the baby is ready to be born but the docotr inserts something which kills the baby and then it is taken out deceased but it would have been fine? I'm not sure if the doctor uses an instrument to crush the baby's skull and body?

      Either way in that case it sounds brutal and i belive the baby can feel it too, especially since it sucks its thumb inside the mother and so on.

      I think that must be a horrendous thing.

      But you probably would not agree with me no matter what. on this issue anyways, that's ok "we can agree to disagree"..

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      I am sharing this powerful poetry as I strongly believe women have the right to choose their own course. Furthermore, until men have the ability to become pregnant, they need to butt the hell out of the situation. How they think they can even give their opinion on a strictly female issue is ridiculous.

      I read some comments on here and my question to these people would be: "What if the women was told that the fetus will kill her if she continues to carry it? For example a tubular pregnancy. Is that a sin as well?"

      Voting up and sharing.

      Damned! I am proud of you girl!

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      ImKern, better late than never, hey!.... What an amazing piece, there are always certain subject matter that are guaranteed to touch a nerve in most of us. However, a woman's body is hers and hers alone as is a man's. We may choose to share it, but NO ONE!!!....NO GOVERNMENT NO PREACHER and most certainly NO COWARDLY RAPEST have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. In the case of the rape of a young girl, who is almost herself a child, it is obscene to force her to live with this. How do the children of rape get through life knowing that their very existence is as a result of an obscene violent act by a father against a mother. A mother who will probably never be able to set eyes on this child without remembering the disgust and pain. Rape is an act of hate, every child deserves to be loved.

      ImKarn, I echo what Becky said, I'm also very proud you.

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      Genna East 4 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      Dear Leslie; I don’t know how to express more than what has always been written in the commentary above. I was so moved by this poem, my tears are blurring my vision.

      While I am not in favor of abortion and hope that it is a last resort, it needs to be safe, legal and not something others decide. (Whenever someone mentions abortion, one hears the argument that pro-choice individuals support partial birth abortions. Well, I don’t know anyone who supports partial birth abortions unless it is to save the life of the mother.) I am a mother, a soon to be first-time grandmother in just a few weeks, and a Christian who believes in the value of life. I am a strong supporter of the morning after pill, and do not ascribe to the “a fertilized egg is a person.” This is a woman's decision with God, not her government, nor the public.

      Your courage in writing your thoughts with such a candid, creative and eloquent mind is very welcome at HP! :-)

      Cheers to billybuc and others for their support.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey: Hi, hon...SUCH a touchy subject, i understand that..

      But, when someone puts the words 'no right' in the same sentence as 'women' - i gotta tell ya - it starts a-twistin' into a knot..lol..

      I certainly would never advocate using abortion as birth control - unless of course - those extremist republicans got their way and there WAS NO CONTRACEPTION - or a HUGE penalty for using the devil's protection...LOL..

      it's touchy, yes - but - men have full sovereignty over their bodies - so should women..

      btw..i'm all in favor of time limits for abortions as well - after that it's too damned bad!

      12 weeks? dunno...but having it open ended is ridiculous - unless a life is in danger of course..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Tobusiness: Hi, Jo! So nice to see you my friend..i absolutely adore your poems - they're hilarious!

      Proud of me? gosh, geez, golly...i'm not great at accepting such a beautiful statement - but - thank you..

      Altho - it's not like i can help myself - things that aren't right - niggle at me..

      there are ways to make them better - i know there are..

      even if we have to change one mind at a time...slowly...it's better than not..

      Thanks for taking the time, Jo!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @GennaEast: Hi, Genna! I agree - abortion must be a last resort - but it must be an available resort..

      I love your open-mindedness and am humbled by your kind words...

      Thanks so much for visiting - the light's always on, dear..

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      Dr Cil 4 years ago

      So beautiful, yet so very sad! It has to be devastating for such a thing to happen to anyone!

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      @DrCil: Hello again, my friend - i am grateful that you chose to come back for a...'second helping'...lol..

      btw...i do write some stuff that actually considered funny...LOL..

      i don't wear my 'libra' on my sleeve every single second, ya know...

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      bizarrett81 4 years ago from Maine

      Love this... such a great message and one I don't think people really consider. If I was raped and became pregnant, I would not want the baby, it would be impossible to move on from the ordeal. I dont believe in abortions after a certain point (In Maine it is illegal after 20 weeks, which I agree with, after all at 20 weeks I found out I was having a boy and could see his whole little wiggly body on the screen). But I also believe that every woman should have a right to do what they want with their bodies, and while I personally would never go down that road if I got pregnant, I would want the option there for if something like the above poem happened. Because sometimes a woman can take every precaution in the world, can be abstinant, and then an asshole can come along and take that from her, and should she have to bear his child? NO

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      Virginia Jennings 4 years ago

      Now- I will freely admit that I have never been raped- and I hope never to be as my husband would likely end up in jail (he'd probably kill someone)

      However I am reading this post after having a baby myself and just recently watching October Baby- it was a very touching story about a girl who survived a failed abortion. I have also had to have a D&C because of a failed pregnancy... I was pregnant for 5-6 weeks before I miscarried. I had talked to him/her letting him/her know that I was doing my best to keep him/her. That I hoped he/she wasn't in any pain. The heartbreak, knowing my body had failed my baby (I had health issues that was keeping me from conceiving).

      I got to see my wiggly little baby at 8 weeks on the screen which is just 4 weeks after I saw that positive pregnancy test. I feel very connected to living things- I can't even stand to see animals killed for food. (which has no bearing on this subject other than their death atleast would be doing some good)

      I believe all life is sacred. I don't believe in abortion. While I DO believe a raped woman should at least have the choice to make that decision for herself- since I have never been in her shoes; I don't think abortion for other than medical reasons or rape should be done. PLUS I would also still like to hold out hope that even if a woman was raped and could still carry the baby to term she would. I'd like to think she would maybe even write a kind letter to her baby letting him/her know that the circumstances are just too painful to keep her/him but that the mom is allowing her/him to be adopted into a loving home.

      I believe every life is created for a purpose. That failed pregnancy prepared my body to accept the successful pregnancy that came two months later. I know my views may be very utopian but they are what they are.

      No one should have to die for another person's transgressions.

      My heart goes out to any woman who has been raped and is stuck trying to figure out this very emotional, very tough decision. A decision that will weigh on their minds for YEARS to come. A decision that because of the hormones flooding their body they may not even be fully prepared to make objectively. It is a sign of the times, the world we live in today :( *hugs*

      Families, please be more supportive when someone comes to you trying to make this decision, help them weigh all the options before hand instead of judging them after the fact.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Bizarrett81: Hello, and welcome my friend! I agree - i also don't agree with abortion past a certain point. I feel that if you can't get it done while in the first 2 -16 weeks - there has to be extenuating circumstances of some nature...

      i wouldn't want to see it go anything over your 20 week mark, for sure - but ALWAYS leaving room in case of emergency!

      Love your comment! I hate assholes!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VirginiaJennings: Hello, Virginia and welcome to my little corner of the hub! Your views are stated intelligently and succinctly - and i respect the differences we hold and find hope in what we agree on!

      Thanks so much for taking the time!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @WayneWilkins: OMG...that is HORRIBLE! i can hardly read it without feeling ill...

      abortion is SUCH a touchy topic, and yet - it makes no sense to me that the woman's needs are completely discounted and the embryo's become all that counts..

      if someone can make that make sense in my head - then - maybe i can see their perspective..

      I'm certainly NOT for full or even near-full term abortions - unless under dire circumstances, of course - and - i certainly don't want abortion used as birth control - but - NONE THE LESS - it remains MY body until we are TWO bodies - and until then - i make the decisions..

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      Caroline Marie 4 years ago from Close to Heaven

      Wow Leslie this poem was so amazing. I love your poetry. It is very inspirational.

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      Hi Leslie,

      I found this to be very poetic, well it is a poem after all...I just mean you expressed your thoughts so nicely and well and creatively!

      I'm getting flack over at my hub lol..about the same thing...but hey I won't back down! I have a right to my opinion!!!

      ttys.

      Rose

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey: Hello, sweet friend - i am VERY happy to see you!

      Yes..i know you're getting flack - but - none from me, did you notice?

      Why? because i respect your opinion as you respect mine - and as long as we can discuss issues with compassion for each others feelings and beliefs - all things are possible...

      our beliefs and opinions can shift - but only if we keep an open mind and put on our critical thinking caps! LOL..

      Don't back down, Rose - but - don't let 'em beat the crap out of you either!

      I'll come by and get your back whenever you want - now..won't that be powerful - considering we're on opposite sides of the issue! LOL

      xx

      ps..i shared yours but..i couldn't 'like' it - i hope you understand...lol

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      Leslie,

      I'm very honored by your comment and pleased !

      No, I just added some more info to it....that should make things a bit more CLEAR.

      Yes, we have the right to differing opinions, and you for one Leslie are good about agreeing to disagree. I respect that in you. :)

      You are one of the rare ones, Leslie. And I do value that about you. ;)xo

      Indeeed--"critical thinking caps"! LMAO or LMFAO either one you got me ROFL!!!

      We would make a powerful team,,,,I always thought that...lol.....love ya lots! thanks for keeping my back!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Carolinemd21: Hello, dear - so nice to see you again so soon - don' t think it goes unnoticed or unappreciated!

      Glad you 'enjoyed' this hub- altho - there's not much 'enjoyable' about it..

      just wrote another abortion hub - this time from the point of the zygote...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Blondey: Hello, dear - your words touch my heart and i am deeply humbled! thank you, Rose.

      I agree - we would make an amazing team - we already do!

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      Devika Primić 4 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Incredible when I started reading I couldn't explain the way I felt sometimes men can are not worth knowing, but not all men are the same, there are all kinds of people in this world that one confronts and when you meet the wrong one all can go wrong.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DDE,

      @WayneWilkins: Hello, friends - thanks for taking the time to stop by!

      I agree - the world is full of ALL kinds of people - good and bad - men AND women...

      hubs, buds!

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      Sueswan 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie

      My heart goes out to that 16 year old rape victim. Hasn't she suffered enough and the fact there were not any prayers for her was disgusting in my opinion.

      Thanks for your passion and caring.

      Voted up and sharing

      Take care :)

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      deergha 4 years ago from ...... a place beyond now and beyond here !!!

      Much is already said above...and truly speaking do I have words to express my precise feeling after reading your this poem?????

      ...sorry dear Leslie......not finding words exactly. Just i can feel that its direct from your heart to cry for those unfortunate ones and to reach many hearts here. Thanks for sharing this one always.

      Standing Ovation to you my dear friend for this master stroke !!!!

      I do dare to share all across and votes all +++++

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      Mazzsays 4 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      Very engaging.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Deergha: Your comment stands out, my friend - i feel the passion behind your words!

      Thanks so much for your unerring encouragement, Deergha - it's most appreciated - from the heart!

      And thanks for sharing!!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Sueswan: Exactly, Sueswan..apparently - there is no limit to how many different ways man - and god - can make women suffer..

      Grrrrr...

      thanks for wading through the muck here, my sweet friend!

      AND for sharing, of course..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mazzsays: Thank you, and - welcome!

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      MizBejabbers 4 years ago

      THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Everyone needs to read this, especially the narrow-minded legislators in my state who overrode the Governor's veto of two very restrictive anti-women, anti-abortion laws. To top it off, one sponsor of one bill was a woman! This woman had stated publicly that she had an abusive first marriage. Unbelievable!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MizBejabbers: I'm so glad you found value here - this was a very difficult account to write!

      i don't know what's happening in your country, my friend - i've a looooong history there and yet - i have lost both respect and hope - of late..

      it's truly as if you're collectively lost your minds and the almighty dollar has replaced the human heart...

      Grrrrrr to the woman. SHAME on her - period! Shame!

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      MizBejabbers 4 years ago

      I don't know what is happening either. A few years ago these same people surfaced and called themselves "the Moral Majority", but they were shouted down by reason. Now they seem to have overridden all reason. There are two factors going here: one is greed and the other is a proliferation of fundamentalist religion. Even our more forward-thinking politicians are so discouraged that they are bowing out and going home. Please, don't paint us all with the same brush. There are a few people like me left in every state, but we are rapidly becoming the minority.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MizBejabbers: Wow = you certainly have your finger on the pulse of the nation, my friend! That must be VERY frustrating and saddening for you - as it is for me...

      I certainly don't paint you with the same brush - i LOVE your country - i am in shock and awe at what i've watched over the past 12 -15 yyears...

      i kept thinking...wellll..ya know - they'll pull their heads out of their asses soon cause - ya know - they HAVE to see that they're destroying themselves from within..

      but..sadly - i was wrong..

      again..costa rica looks good! lol

      https://snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx?id=64855...

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      Liz Elias 4 years ago from Oakley, CA

      So well and powerfully put! Brava, brava!

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      wildove5 4 years ago from Cumberland, R.I.

      Incredibly powerful! Voted up!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wildove5: Hello, beautiful! So nice to see you - and - thanks for the vote..

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      Lisa J Warner 4 years ago from Conneticut, USA

      Wow ~~~ A difficult subject organized and yes I agree with the word powerful. voted up and shared. You can write girl!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lisa: Your words of encouragement are very much appreciated! If you didn't know this - you do now..lol

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      Vickiw 4 years ago

      How do I love thee? Let me count the ways . . .

      You are courageous. You tell it like it is, and in your own inimitable style.

      You are funny. You are passionate.

      You have a wicked sense of humour that gets every one going.

      You need to be encouraged in your efforts to make duscussion happen.

      Like your other fans, I love reading your witty, on-the-ball Hubs.

      You bring your own beautiful, heart-felt, cutting edge attraction to HP.

      We hope you will grow older, but not any less passionate, writing for us and those on the outside looking in!! Never leave.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Vicki: My dear friend - you have been soooo supportive since the moment we 'hub-met'! I cannot thank you enough!

      i hope you will follow me to my new hub - where nobody will be breathing down my neck to make sure i don't dabble in - OMG - ADULT CONTENT!

      be aware that that encompasses politics, rape, child abuse, abortion, gay rights, etc..

      ya know - the important stuff..

      Feel free to talk about the color blue at any time - however..

      lol

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      dreamseeker2 4 years ago

      No woman who's been a victim of rape should have to endure bearing a child. I don't care what they may believe in...it would be nine months of hell on earth. How sad is that?? In cases such as this...and incest, an abortion should be allowed, no matter what church they belong to. Shame on those who point the fingers! Voted it up, for sure. Powerful message to us all.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Dreamseeker: i believe abortion should be 'allowed' - period - but, within certain perameters. And that's when the religious right pipes up and says - 'WHO'S to set such peramaters'? therefore - nothing gets done - as is their agenda as women continue to suffer..

      yes, best we ALL live by THEIR beliefs - they think that's the fairest way..

      sigh..

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      This is a hard one for me. I can imagine being in such a dilemma and all the horrible feelings one would have but with all that is available today from day one, certainly abortions will be millions lower. It really should be.

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      Karen Silverman 3 years ago

      Hi, Jackie! Thanks for becoming a 'follower' (such a nasty word, eh?)

      Sadly - it was just in time for me to NOT be writing at the hub any longer..lol..

      i have a blog that - if i do say so myself - is becoming very popular AND - it's only a click away!

      Let' me knwo if you'd like directions! lolxx

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

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