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Updated on January 11, 2013
The Second Amendment is Full of Holes
The Second Amendment is Full of Holes

Newtown, CT: Another Day - Another Mass Shooting..


My heart is breaking - once again - for the victims and their families - AND for the surviving children and THEIR families. Basically - the lives of the entire community of Newtown - 30,000 inhabitants - will never be the same again. Ever!

I am also angry. The twenty-year-old shooter, Adam Lanzer - was armed to the teeth! Let's see...a Glock automatic pistol, a Sig Sauer automatic pistol, and - oh, yes - a Bushmaster 223 AR-15 automatic rifle!

It's Christmas - perhaps he also had a Partridge in a Pear Tree? Or...are those a 'PROTECTED SPECIES' - unlike our children, apparently..

I'm just so sick and tired of hearing about how the Founding Fathers could do no wrong and could clearly see hundreds of years into the future!

Even the suggestion of gun control makes the rabid NRA supporters start frothing at the mouth and reaching for their impressive arsenal of weaponry, wealth and power - in order to keep the whining, unpatriotic 'tree huggers' intimdated and quiet!

'Nuff Said?
'Nuff Said?

Rabid NRA Defenders..


I've had it up-to-here with those same rabid NRA supporters who start screaming that people are 'using' these tragedies in order to 'politicize' the issue of gun control.

Politicize? Oh, yes - and it's a wickedly devious agenda: Attempting to stem the flow of innocent blood running freely - and far too easily - through the streets of America!

It begs the question: Do these staunch NRA supporters happen to notice - or care - that innocent people are dying, en mass - and with an alarming increase in frequency?

And last but not least - I am sick and tired of hearing that it's the 'person's' fault - NOT the gun's!


Why then, in New York - did they feel it worthwhile to BAN Slurpee's over 16 ounces? BANNED! Apparently, Slurpee's are dangerous for the health and welfare of the general population at large and steps were taken to, ahem, protect them...(OY)..

Buuuut, wait - why doesn't the exact same premise hold true? Isn't it the PERSON'S fault - NOT the Slurpee's?

And yet - in spite of this argument - Slurpee's ARE banned! Hmmmmmm....


Stop Ridiculous Excuses: Knives (and Cars..) Aren't Guns..
Stop Ridiculous Excuses: Knives (and Cars..) Aren't Guns..

Allow Me to Break it Down...


Between the years of 1966 and 1999 - 33 years - there were a grand total ofFOUR mass shootings in The United States of America - including Columbine..

And - Those were the good old days!

Here are the stats for 2012 ALONE:

DECEMBER 14, 2012: NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT - ADAM LANZER, 20, KILLS 27 - INCLUDING HIMSELF AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL..


January 10, 2012: Philadelphia, PA - Three dead, one injured when someone opened fire on the car they were in..

February 21, 2012: Norcross, GA - Jeong Soo Paek kills five - including himself - in a spa..

February 27, 2012: Chardon, Ohio - T.J. Lane, 17, kills three, injures two in a school cafeteria..

March 30, 2012: Miami, FL - Two dead, twelve injured during a drive-by shooting at a funeral..

April 2, 2012: Oakland, CA - L. Goh, 43, kills seven, injures three at Oikos University..

April 6, 2012: Tulsa, OK - Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32 , kills three, injures two...

May 29, 2012: Seattle, WA - Ian Stawicki, 40, kills 6 - including himself - at a cafe..

July 20, 2012: Aurora, Colorado: James Holmes, 24 - kills twelve, injures sixty at a movie theater..

August 5, 2012: Oak Creek, WI - Wade Michael Page, 40, kills eight - including himself - at a Sikh Temple..

August 13, 2012: College Station, Texas - Thomas Caffell kills three on the campus of Texas A&M University...

August 24, 2012: New York, NY - Jeffrey Johnson kills one, injures nine near the Empire State Building...

September 28, 2012: Minneapolis, MN - Andrew Engeldinge, 36, kills six - including himself - at his ex-job..

October 21, 2012: Milwaukee, WI - Radcliffe Haughton, 45, kills 4 - including himself and his wife - at a spa...

November 6, 2012: San Francisco, CA - Lawrence Jones, 42, kills 3 - including himself - at his ex-job..

December 12, 2012: Clackamas, Oregon - Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22, kills three - including himself - at a shopping center..

Have We Had Enough Yet?
Have We Had Enough Yet?


SIXTEEN mass shootings in 2012 alone...to date..

It has become abundantly clear that whatever those NRA supporters are protecting - it's NOT the health and welfare of the general population at large...

I'm thinking that it's a terrible shame that the Founding Fathers didn't have a fondness for Slurpees - and not guns!

God bless..

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'll be back later my dear; I want to see the comments before I weigh in.....are you sure we didn't have the same parents? I'm adopted you know, so anything is possible. :)

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      Louisa Rogers 4 years ago from Eureka, California and Guanajuato, Mexico

      I'll just say it: I hate the NRA. For refusing to moderate, for refusing to be rational, for pushing their agendas beyond any sane compromise, for as you say, pretending it's the person, not the gun. This guy was 20 years old. Why wasn't he in college, not holding a weapon? And I hate Congress right now for their namby pamby inability to make agreements and work together and say ENOUGH. Yes, I know using the word "hate" is not a helpful way to build bridges, but it's where I'm at. These 6-years-olds, the ones who are lucky enough to have survived, will be shaped by this for the rest of their lives.

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      FyrFytr234 4 years ago

      What a sad sad day indeed. Such young lives and innocence lost forever. Two little words can sum up this entire discussion. It's time!

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      Jillian Barclay 4 years ago from California, USA

      Thank you for this! All day, I have been switching from tears for our babies-they are OUR babies- to such anger for the NRA and the multi-billion dollar lobbying industry they have built! I was going to write something, but I couldn't have said it better than you! In addition, I would have had foul language in any article written today----

      Enough is enough! Suggest no one even start talking 2nd amendment- BS is BS!

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      In April 2009, just 3 short years ago, in my little corner of the world, (Binghamton, NY) at 10:30 A.M. a man drove to the American Civic Association, parked his borrowed SUV against a back door and began his carnage. When it was all done, 14 people were killed by gunshots. It was this area's worst crime ever. In the United States nearly 3 times the amount of those killed on 09/11 die as the result of gunshot wounds every year. We now have enough weapons in this country to arm every man, woman and child. We will never get rid of all of the firearms currently in possession both legally and illegally, but we can certainly make it more difficult for the sale of future weapons. In addition, we can start banning the sale of certain types of ammunition virtually making some guns obsolete. We have let this monster get out of control and I really don't know if this country can ever neutralize the beasts of the NRA.

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      Terry Chestnutt 4 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio

      Maybe it is bath salts abuse that causes these things. Taking guns from people won't keep the low lifes from getting them. They know how to go about getting illegal things. Then we will have no defense against them. Seriously, if I might.

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      Christin Sander 4 years ago from Midwest

      I think people tend to focus on this issue as black and white - you'll never convince the NRA gun nuts that moderation (grey areas) are possible. To them, any kind of common sense restrictions are viewed as a personal assault to their freedom (preposterous). That being said, I grew up in a household with guns. My father is a collector and I was always taught gun safety. He was responsible. They were locked up and never loaded and ammo locked in a separate location. He had a military background which gave him the weapons training and common sense necessary to be a responsible gun owner. What frightens the hell out of me are the would be vigilantes with conceal carry permits who have not had said proper training in many states. How on earth does more guns than the astronomical number we have now equate to less violence?

      Nationwide, Mass shootings have increased since the passage of more conceal carry laws. One must conclude from this then that the answer comes down to more than just "more guns" and concealed weapons and armed, frightened citizens.

      We also need to address the ease with which guns are obtained in this country by the mentally unstable, not to mention irresponsible people. The guy who shot his child because he thought the gun wasn't loaded is a prime example. Common damn sense tells you to always check and recheck the chamber of the gun and to never EVER for any reason point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.

      SMH at the chronic stupidity and ignorance in this country... sad on SO many levels.

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      Don (Greywolf) Ford 4 years ago from Somewhere between the Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits

      I should wait a month before I weigh in, since everyone is all emotional over this, and so am I. The parents don't want to talk about this, and that's totally understandable also.

      It's too raw to discuss the children, since I love kids so much. However, I grew up in a family of hunters and fishermen. The assault weapons have to go. However, I'll never hate the NRA, they didn't hurt anyone, most are great sportsmen and women and enjoy their sport.

      I won't be joining any groups soon who want to ban archery either. This is another great sport. I don't have a bow or a gun, but I'm a rather good fisherman. I know when, where, and how to catch the big ones.

      Cheers and another voice of reason. "Greywolf"

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Although there are plenty of swords in my house (I was a fencer) we have never owned a gun. The main question is: will stricter gun control slow down a criminal. remember: it is already illegal to kill people. Do we want "crazies" to necessitate laws for millions?

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm too emotional to tackle this tonight, Leslie! I will only say that this tragedy today highlights once again the anger and fear that infiltrates most of this country. I would love to see the major problems tackled rather than see them cut by budgets. Social services are needed more now than ever in this country. Yes, there will always be crazies, but that in no way explains the epidemic of mass killings that have happened in the past year.

      I'm done for tonight. I do not own a gun; will never own a gun. There is no reason for me to own a gun.....and an assault rifle? Gee, what would be the reason to own one of those? Hunting?

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Billy, you and me think alike. I do no own a gun and will never own one either not even for self-defense. After tonight's tragedy in Connecticut, I'm feeling down. First, there was Columbine, then the crazy red-haired loonie who went inside the movie theater and killed a number of people during the Dark Knight film. Several days ago, another psycho went inside a mall and started shooting killing two christmas shoppers.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      I do not own a gun...

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      Howard Schneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Excellent Hub, ImKarn23. It is time for both reinforcing our current gun laws but also reinstating the assault weapons ban that President Bush allowed to expire. The NRA is holding our legislators hostage along with our country. Their motto is more guns will decrease the violence. I am listening to an NRA lobbyist make that argument right now. Ridiculous.

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      There has to be something wrong in our society today that is creating all these horrendous killings. Look at reality TV, computer games, ...so much killing and it is such a temptation for someone who is close to the edge anyway. Ido believe there needs to be serious changes in gun laws but also in TV shows, games etc. Very thought provoking and well written as always!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: Good morning, my dear friend! I don't blame you for 'coming back later' - i don't really wanna come back either! In the middle of the night i woke up in a sweat thinking: OMG - what have i done? i wrote this hub while i was SO bent out of shape that this morning - i was afraid to come and check the comments...LOL..Still haven't really 'looked' at them - thankfully - yours was first...

      Love you dearly, Bill - i know exactly what you're made of and feel a kinship!

      Have a great day today and please - stay safe and talk to people about CHANGE - i believe that after the horrid events of yesterday - there may be a narrow window of opportunity to expand a mind - or maybe even TWO!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @LouisaRogers: I feel your hurt and your passion - and i love you for it! The NRA is not interested in moderation or rationalization - their interest lies only in money, power, and control - and they couch it in terms which terrify the general population. They try their best to convince us that it is our RIGHT because the founding fathers said it is - period. IF they really cared about their country - they might stop to ask themselves if, hmmmm - perhaps the founding fathers were only human and could not predict the future? The fact that they never do and never will supports my statement above - money, power, control - PERIOD...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @FyrFytr234: I agree - and it's also time that every single person who believes 'IT"S TIME' STANDS UP AND SAYS SO! Right NOW - while we have this small window of opportunity that these 27 poor souls have opened! Let's not let them down!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JillianBarclay: Couldn't agree more - they ARE OUR babies! Got money, got lobbyists - GOT GUNS! It's as simple as that - he who has the most money and power wins - what the general population wants is not of any concern in the NEW united states of america...We, The People has been converted to: We, The 1% of People Who Count...

      Sad, but more so disgusting and unfathomable from where i stand....WE are the majority if we'd care to exert our will - which we don't, or can't - because we're too busy trying to scrape together some bread to feed to our families..

      THEY have us exactly where they want us - doesn't anybody see this?

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Leslie.. it was a horrible day yesterday we all hurt so bad.. I agree something has got to be done with this automatic weapons..

      and you said it all.. thank you for being such a brave soul.. many blessings to you

      Debbie

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      redwhiskeypete 4 years ago from Indiana

      I spent the day watching the terrible events that unfolded. The whole mess made me sick. I know you may lash out at me and think I'm naive but the solution isn't gun control. I mean if there was a total ban on selling guns tomorrow there would still be 300 million guns in circulation. Basically the cat is already out of the bag.

      You stated in your article that between 1966-1999 there were only four mass shootings. Back in the 1960's you could get guns much more easy, in fact you could get one in the mail without a background check. With the ease of obtaining weapons back then you didn't have mass shootings as you also didn't have people driving a truck up to a federal building and and kill 168 people including 19 children under the age of six all dead without a single gun.

      What has changed is society and that's what is broken. One other point. I wrote an article about the new gun law that passed in Chicago and the comments of the officials there a day before this tragic event. One of the things I pointed out is almost every time there is a gun homicide in Chicago the accused has already had one or more gun violations.

      Why are these people still on the street? Seems to me that the same liberal groups that want to ban guns are also the same liberal groups that are soft on giving hard jail time to these individuals. I'm not blaming anyone group nor I’m I pointing fingers. There is enough blame to go around for everyone. Just my observations.

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      Jillian Barclay 4 years ago from California, USA

      Budget cuts in California have forced the county jails and state prisons to release thousands of inmates early and lay off hundreds of parole workers. Many of these inmates are mentally ill and dumped onto the streets with no psychiatric care or supervision. It is happening all over the country. Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative-

      Has to do with so few willing to step up and say, "We have to pay for the things that we, as a society, need." Better to pay for wars, I guess- Better to shelter corporate profits overseas. Better to allow the NRA free rein over our gun legislation and applaud their "defense of 2nd amendment rights". Better that it is legal for the NRA to pay off and intimidate the chicken-sh***s in Congress who want that campaign money!

      How many thousands of seriously mentally ill did Ronald Reagan ordered released from mental hospitals? Still happening today...

      Worse, when you have a child (grown 20 yr old in your home) who has a documented history of psych problems, have plenty of guns around- makes perfect sense, right?

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Pagesvoice: D, when you first told me this story i was horrified - for the victims, your community as a whole - and YOU specifically! You are such an intelligent, yet sensitive soul - just ask your wife - AND, you know whereof you speak! I couldn't agree with you more - we may not be able to do much about what's existing - but we sure could have an impact on future availability and legality! I cannot speak when people tell me how wonderful the NRA is - after all - they teach 'responsible' gun ownership...blahblah...

      IF they're soooo wonderful - what are all those LOBBYISTS for exactly? Other wonderful associations such as the Cancer Society don't seem to need them to get their message across..

      Hmmmm....eh?

      xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wrathwarbone: I think i need some bathsalts...lol..

      Terry, please don't start with about 'lowlife's getting 'em anyway'. Tired of that one...lol..(and a few others like people kill, not guns...)

      If your conjecture is correct, then - why are certain drugs illegal - after all - the lowlife's will get em anyway, no?

      The best we can do is the BEST we can do - and doing NOTHING is not our best...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @ChristinS: Sigh...i like you...lol...

      You bring up something else that's been on my mind - that kid got THREE automatic weapons AND ammo from mommy - WHY weren't they secured properly...(or...were they...i doubt it, though...).

      Either way - the argument has flaws - IF we buy guns to protect ourselves (which - so many have mentioned) - then - what good do they do locked up with ammo elsewhere?

      IF i owned a gun (and - believe it or not - i'm NOT anti-gun) - it would be locked, loaded - and ready to unload - right in my bedside table...

      That also presents a problem...hmmmm?

      btw..what exactly is SMH?

      Thanks for stopping in and taking the time to comment so thoughtfully!

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      Christin Sander 4 years ago from Midwest

      smh = shaking my head ;) As for the loaded gun in the nightstand I'm with you on that one , except for when there are children in the home. I'll take my chances that a madman might enter my home before risking my child pulling out a gun and accidentally shooting himself. Too many tragedies have occurred in households with guns when curious kids get ahold of them. At the very least, trigger locks or other things should be on them, but those can even be faulty most are made from cheap plastic. I personally do not own a gun, but like you I don't have a problem with ownership itself, I have a big problem with our current state of affairs though. We label food as a precaution, have licenses for cars, etc. and no-one complains it infringes their freedoms, but registering guns and banning assault rifles somehow does? I fail, as usual, to see the common logic.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Wizard, I am ashamed to admit it, but that is exactly what my son said. He is an avid hunter and a member of the GOP. Makes me feel sick as well as ashamed. Leslie, looking at your listed statistics makes me cringe in fear for our country. We must do something to stop the mentally ill from getting a gun and while i am voicing my opinion, why must we kill animals? They want to live, they love their children. The thought of eating a rabbit or squirrel or ANYTHING MAKES ME FURIOUS. The NRA spends millions to keep guns in the hands of nuts and criminals. I have faith in our President, something will be done. Keep writing Girl..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Greywolf2012: Hi, Greywolf...nice to meet you! You hunt, that's nice, i guess...your family are responsible gun owners - that's great...

      as far as the nra never hurting anyone - we'll have to agree to disagree on that one..

      as far as the nra being a great group of guys - FERGIT BOUT IT...'Great groups of guys' don't need the billions of dollars in LOBBYISTS that they happily support. WHY? Because they need all that to keep their agenda on the table...

      I always appreciate a voice of reason - i hope you do as well..

      Please visit anytime - the light's always on...Happy Holidays..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JillianBarclay: None of it makes any sense to me, my friend - not one tiny bit of it..

      I'm starting to think it must be me - cause - i do NOT belong in this world...I don't understand how people hurt each other - never mind kill each other - NEVER MIND kill children...

      California laws are laughable...with all due respect..absolutely ridiculous - THAT'S where they decide to be liberal - but allowing gays the same rights as other humans? that they can't do...WOW..

      Love the conversation, Jillian...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovedoctor926: Sigh...yes - i listed the entire 2012...'HIT LIST" - pardon the horrid pun..16 mass shootings - and bear in mind that the FBI defines 'Mass' as THREE OR MORE..

      Interesting that you me and bill seem to think along the same lines - you and me 'recognized' that in each other 2 years ago...and bill and i pretty much immediately as well..(altho - he probably hits it off with everyone..lol)

      sooo cool anyway....

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @ChristinS: You and me both, dear..you and me both..

      Guess we're both miserable 'failures' (your word - i'm just borrowin' it...lol)

      Have a great rest of your weekend! Might as well party like there's no tomorrow..

      LOL..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: I was highly emotional when i wrote this Bill, so - i understand...

      Social services, psychologists in schools and job places (where able) - Dunno if you'll ever get bqack to the hub - but if you should - i've added 3 very interesting pictures...

      they speak volumes..

      i'm not as gun-shy as you are - i'm actually not anti-gun...believe it or not..lol - but - i certainly wouldn't have one for hunting...lol..

      everyone's sooo black and white in america...i'm not saying 'DISARM'..i'm not saying NO GUNS...

      ya know?

      loveyabro!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Carol7777: hi, Carol! sadly - it seems to be very much an american phenomenon - no other country culls it's own herd better or faster than the united states - it's sooooo odd..

      i adore psychology and believe it - not sex - moves the world, but - i just do not get a whole whack of shit..

      ya know?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HSchneider: Welcome again Mysterious Mr./Ms. Schneider...lol..

      I love a voice of reason..i wonder if you are male or female, for my own reasons - i just mentioned that psychology...'moves' me..and i am finding the response to this hub very interesting - in a few different ways..

      Why can't we just ban the bullets? we're not stomping on anything in that case - they can't scream constitution for even a second - it kinda leaves them, ahem, - 'dead' in the water(sorry)...how bout...up shit creek without a...gun..

      no? well, i got nothin' then..lol..

      be brave...please come again...xx

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      Redwhiskeypete 4 years ago

      Again and again they say automatic weapons that is not true and those type of weapons were not used. Automatic weapons were not used.

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      Howard Schneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      I am the mysterious Mr. Howie Schneider.... mystery solved...LOL

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Bravo Leslie! Again, you've stated the obvious in a way people can, hopefully, relate to. I really don't understand why anyone would need to own an assault weapon, but then, what do I know. Even a pistol, does John Q. Public really need a pistol!

      This is a hot issue with a lot to be said on both sides...outlawing guns will make them like marijuana and whoever wants them will continue to get them on the black market. Instead of finding a solution to this issue, let's worry about 16 oz. sodas in NYC .... you are so right!

      Voted up, useful, and very interesting.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Alwaysexploring: Wow..you clicked that link? I'm always afraid to when someone comes and doesn't say anything and just....drops a link...lol..i'll have to check it out..

      i can't believe about your son - how could that be? Lol...i'm kidding, dear..

      i could NOT agree more about animals - i understand them far better than i've ever understand humans! They're simply honest, and i adore them!

      On the other hand - being a complete hypocrite - i adore a good steak, but personally - i swerve to avoid ants and worms...

      I've said all i can manage about the nra...tired...

      HUBS, Ruby..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Redwhiskeypete: The primary weapon used was a Bushmaster 223 AR-15 automatic rifle..

      So says the ME...

      Next???

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      @Redwhiskeypete: Argunig over an arcane technicality about a lethal weapon of war is an obvious diversionary tactic to avoid the facts and the effects of this weapon and its capacity to rapidly destroy flesh. Please address the brutality and efficiency of this tool of mayhem!

      *This Semi-Automatic Rifle Killed Most at Sandy Hook School

      Medical Examiner reveals that most were shot multiple times*

      After some confused reporting of the weapons that were used in the tragic shooting, it's been confirmed that Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle, pictured above, to kill 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook school.

      The Bushmaster is one model of the AR-15, which the NRA has campaigned to keep legal. The rifle shoots bullets at about 3,000 feet per second, and once they enter the target, "they explode throughout the tissue," according to WaPo.

      Medical Examiner Wayne Carver, who performed some of the autopsies, explained that all of the children killed had been "hit more than once" and received a "very devastating set of injuries."

      Because of those devastating wounds, only three children survived. The hospital in Danbury, CT readied itself for mass casualties when news of the shooting broke, but only three patients arrived.

      The guns recovered at the scene by police included a Glock handgun and a Sig Sauer handgun, as well as the Bushmaster rifle. All of the guns were registered to one of Lanza's family members, reportedly his mother, who was also killed.d Your Comment...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wizard ofWhimsy: Your facts are 100% correct...well said..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Tillsontitan: Hello, Mary - welcome, dear! Yes there's a lot to be said on both sides, but - in my humble opinion - a lot of what's said on one side is political crap meant to make people feel guilty - and they DO! People are terrified to go up against the NRA because they so smoothly make it appear as if going up against the nra is going up against the constitution - and therefore the country..

      it's a giant conspiracy - or we're all brainwashed or something - and it's time to wake up, me thinks..

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Thanks Leslie. I'm just so tired of paranoid gun zealots who care more about their rights to carry weapons of war than the safety of innocent women and children. Ours is an irresponsible culture of infantile fantasy, selfish desire and the people who get rich exploiting it.

      Just thinkin: why DON"T we treat guns like automobiles? First pass a test; then get a permit; pay an annual registration fee for each gun; pay an annual property tax on each gun; pay a yearly fee to renew your license AND require the gun owner to carry wrongful death or no fault insurance. The revenue generated by these fees/taxes can be placed in a fund for victims of gun violence and to enforce your state's gun regulations. This can be done on the State level. It does not threaten anyone's 2nd amendment rights, but it sends a message to gun owners that along with that right comes responsibility and a heavy price tag.

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      JeffreyPGorman 4 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      The second amendment has nothing to do with crazy people shooting others. None of these shooters used automatic weapons so I don't see how this got into the discussion.

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      Christin Sander 4 years ago from Midwest

      Wizard - I couldn't agree more with your proposals - that sounds like an excellent plan with a means to fund it. You should write your representatives :)

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Thanks Christin, I did.

      Jeffrey Gorman, the second amendment has EVERYTHING to do with the proliferation and availability of guns to irresponsible people in our sick culture. Just because you can't see it or admit to it only reveals your own denial and lack of any ethical and communal values.

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      b. Malin 4 years ago

      No place is Safe anymore. We live in a Society with a lot of Mentally, Sick people, and yes, it is usually these people that create these Heinous Acts. Do Guns play a large part, of course they do. But so do Knifes... and just last week a "Hobo" in NYC, threw another man onto the Rail Road tracts as a Train was coming...He died a horrible death.

      If people want to get Guns THEY will, Legally or Illegally, if they are banned. The Answer? I don't know if Senseless killings can be prevented.

      Good timely Hub Lesley, with lots of Good Comments.

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Leslie, I am very much opposed to guns or at least the ease at which one can attain them, but I am concerned with how we are addressing the mentally unstable. I wholeheartedly agree with stronger gun control but I am afraid that that it is just like the locks on my door. If someone wants to get in badly enough, they will find a way. I think this was a great hub, filled with a wealth of information. I love the way you personalized. This insanity has to stop! Thank you for being such a powerful force in helping to make a change! Up+

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wizard of Whimsy: Yeah...what he said! Bravo! AND - how do we make sure they're locked up like they're supposed to be after they're so cautiously sold?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JeffreyPGorman: Hello and welcome, JeffreyPGorman...Now, having dispensed with the preliminaries - what part of BUSHMASTER 223 AR-15 automatic rifle - don't you understand? THIS is the weapon that was used most often and that did the most damage - according to the coroner..

      just wondering what you consider an automatic weapon - and why it matters in the face of our children being mowed down like grass..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @B.Malin: At least if they're banned - the auto's and semi-auto's - AND the bullets - they'll have more hoops to jump through - if nothing else - and maybe, just maybe, they'll get caught in one of those hoops..

      More steps means more ways to catch them before they murder children - it's better than doing nothing except hoping 'the social services start recognizing crazies'...Come ON now..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Btrbell: I agree, Randi - a whole SLEW of issues need to be addressed - socially, mentally, etc - BUT - having certain unnecessary mass killing machines unavailable - or at least not legally available - is a good first step towards less dead folks..

      So far Walmart has removed the bushmaster from it's on-line catalogue - and several gun retailers have suspended sales on certain guns as well..

      The parents are calling for gun control - that's going to be difficult to ignore - AND - the NRA is making an unprecedented news conference this friday coming...

      i'm hopeful and yet - i expect nothing...

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      James Williamson 4 years ago

      My goodness, I sometimes wonder about the intelligence of a Nation that think owning a gun is 'a right, when it is clearly a wrong!! The worrying thing is I wonder how many of those poor children's parents actually own a gun? If any, how many of those still think owning a gun is so necessary? Then there was the idiot from the NRA who said, The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is with a Good guy with a gun!! So where was the good guy when he was needed. This is not about good guys and bad guys. This is about finally waking up and realizing that this is about business and not safety. No one is safe when any idiot can go and buy a gun and walk around the streets thinking he or she is Bonnie or Clyde. So who is at danger here? Other gun owners and poor little innocent children would be my guess. Oh America, please wake up and smell the coffee. Look at the UK for guidance just like you look to us for help when you need military assistance. We are a Nation of Brains as well as Brawn.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JamesWilliamson: You are sooo RIGHT! The NRA is beyond arrogance and clearly have no conception that this isn't the wild wild west - and they're not the sheriff in town! (or...are they?..sigh..)

      Good guy bullets vs bad guy bullets worked ok when BOTH guns only had 6 bullets and they had the good graces to take it outside for the most part - but - THAT"S NOT the situation - as much as they shove it down our throats as if it's right AND good for us..

      i also LOVE how they start every single speech, talk, sentence, with " we are a group of 3 million mothers, fathers, daughters, and sons...)

      Excuse me whilst i puke!

      Oh, Happy New Year, btw...LOL

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      Don (Greywolf) Ford 4 years ago from Somewhere between the Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits

      Karen is the voice of Canadian reason, so remember the source of all of this before you take sides. American Amendments belong in the hands of, you guessed it, Americans. I'm sure Canadians have their own laws to protect.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Greywolf2012: Well hello, Greywolf2012! I don't know why i'm wasting my time responding to you because we both know you're a 'ghost'. You have no hubs and no followers and apparently - you're from nowhere as well. You're just a sad little person trying to make an impression the only way you are able: Negatively. I won't be responding to the rude, obnoxious, and clearly ignorant comment that you so kindly left on the other hub, so - this will be all the satisfaction you'll be getting from me. Please know that i've 'flagged' you - so you'll have to return in some new 'configuration' - but - i also wish you the best and hope you get the help you need before it's too late.

      Have a happy new year - emphasis on happy, my friend...

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      junkseller 4 years ago from Michigan

      An automatic weapon is one for which you pull the trigger and more than one bullet is fired. A fully automatic weapon will continue firing until you release the trigger or the ammo is depleted. A burst fire automatic will fire a burst of bullets for one trigger pull. The military version of the AR-15, the M-16, is an example of a weapon which fires a three-round burst. It can also be set to full-auto.

      A semi-automatic weapon is one for which you pull the trigger once and one bullet is fired. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle, not an automatic rifle. That doesn't mean that it isn't a capable weapon. It is actually quite good at massacring humans, but pro-gun types will tend to have paroxysms when the wrong terminology is used.

      It actually is somewhat important to be accurate. Not just for preventing paroxysms, but also if there is a dialog that takes place regarding some sort of ban. Because almost all legal weapons are semi-automatic weapons (including handguns, hunting rifles/shotguns, and "assault weapons") you can't just ban semi-automatic weapons (unless you do want to ban all weapons). If you only want to ban "assault weapons" it becomes pretty tricky how exactly we define that. As an example, the 1994 ban, banned military-like features such as bayonet lugs and pistol-grips. To get around that, manufactures simply eliminated or slightly modified those features and continued selling those weapons despite being 95% the same as the original.

      Anyway, I think a ban is really tricky. Still worth discussing, but I'm personally more interested in upfront screening (e.g. background checks), recording all sales to prevent guns from getting out in the wild, and severe punishments for anyone who does not properly secure their weapons.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Junkseller: Hello...and welcome! I am not a gun person, but i have made myself cognizant of the differences between a semi-auto and an automatic weapon! The weapon that Adam Lanza used certainly sounded like - and has been described as -a fully automatic weapon, capable of 'spraying' an entire 30 round magazine into any first grade classroom!

      I have no desire to 'ban all guns' - that would be ridiculous, and i try to NOT be ridiculous as often as possible. But this discussion about 'definitions' seems to be to be only diversionary - you wanna carry a gun to hunt? carry a hunting rifle. You wanna protect yourself - carry a pistol.

      I don't see what the discussion is about - everyone's drank the NRA kool-aid - people don't even KNOW what their REAL 2nd amendment rights are - and are NOT!

      And if a ban on weaponry is 'really tricky'? A ban on the ammunition certainly isn't! Simple!

      And yet....sigh...yawn...

      Thanks for taking the time to stop by and leave an intelligent, civilized, and well thought out comment, sir! I love a lively, respectful discussion on this topic and many others..

      Please - come again!

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      junkseller 4 years ago from Michigan

      If you haven't seen an expert shooter firing an AR-15 (used by Adam Lanza as well as in several other mass shootings) it is an eye-opening experience. Even though they are semi-auto, an expert shooter can fire it at an amazingly fast rate. In some cases it can actually be difficult to tell if they are firing a full-auto weapon or a semi-auto. If you are interested, hop over to Youtube and look up VTAC 1-5 rifle drill. The VTAC 1-5 exercise involves shooting at 3 targets. You shoot the 1st one once, the 2nd twice, the 3rd three times, then four shots back to the 2nd, and five shots back to the 1st. So 15 bullets in total at 3 targets and all expected to hit center mass. Expert shooters can do it in right around 3 seconds!! I also wrote a hub about the AR-15 with a VTAC 1-5 video on it if you want to check it out there.

      The problem with saying that hunting and self-defense are okay is that the gun guy will say that the AR-15 is a great hunting and self-defense weapon. And I'd agree with them. They are very nice weapons and well-suited for both of those tasks. The issue than is whether they are necessary for the task, which I'd say they really aren't, but that is the point where the gun guy will say "nobody has a right to decide what I think is necessary" and will then probably quote the 2nd Amendment. That is when the rest of us need to remind them that we are voters so we actually DO have the right to decide for them. That's the way democracy works. Sometimes you don't get what you want. I don't think we have the Congressional leadership willing to do that but maybe someday.

      I think the way Australia did their ban is kind of interesting. They classified weapons into 6 different categories and each category has different requirements for ownership. Some, for instance, are law enforcement only. Others require showing a legitimate need. I kind of like the legitimate need idea. That would get rid of the people buying guns so their hot girlfriend can pose with it and post the photo on Facebook (I see a disturbingly large number of those).

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Junkseller: With all due respect, sir - i honestly don't give a good god damn whether it's semi or auto - especially when you say one can be fired almost as fast as the other! Hello? CHILDREN ARE DYING - why the splitting of hair (triggers)?

      Where i come from - anyone going hunting with an AR-15 would A) be shunned and B) called a PUSSY - to his face!

      To me it's a little more black and white - anything that shoots more than 1 bullet per pull has to go! Gun Shows? Have to go! Ammo to arm such weapons? Has to go!

      CHILDREN are dying - that i know inside out, backwards, and from top to bottom - i leave the differences between semi-auto and auto to those who tend to be more concerned with muddying the water - which is already running red with blood!

      I appreciate your trying to educate me as far as the finer points of an AR-15, but - frankly - i'm not all that interested in the gun itself - just the damage it can do..

      is that fair? i hope so..

      hoping to see you again...(?..lol)

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      junkseller 4 years ago from Michigan

      Well, where you are from the AR-15 is a restricted firearm and if I'm correct is illegal to use for hunting anyway. Down here we've got like 2 million of them floating around and no waning interest in them. I was on one manufacturer's website last night and they have a year backorder on all their AR-15 models.

      It may not be evident, but in spirit I am mostly with you. The recent New York newspaper cover declaring NRA's LaPierre the "Craziest man on Earth" was the best front page I've seen in awhile. At this point, personally, I don't care if they ban every weapon on the planet. I'm sick of burying kids (and people in general). But again, that's not going to happen. If anything does happen it will be some sort of compromise worked out between the two sides. And if there is a ban than at some point there will be a room full of people who are splitting hairs over arcane and subtle distinctions between weapons, ammo, and accessories.

      If that does happen then I think it is important that the gun control side has the expertise necessary to make for effective policy. The 1994 'ban' that was put in place, I think, was next to useless, in part because the pro-ban side just didn't have the necessary knowledge to make for effective policy.

      Of course, not everyone needs to be an expert and I don't mean to in anyway come off preachy in that sense, I'm simply explaining why I personally am so interested in understanding the weapons themselves. It certainly isn't to muddy the waters, it is to un-muddy them. I've had quite a few arguments with people who try to argue that the AR-15 is a semi-automatic hunting rifle exactly like, and no more dangerous than, every other semi-automatic hunting rifle in existence. It is nice to be able to specifically identify why they are full of shit.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Junkseller: Hi, again! I must tell you that i admire a man who think before he speaks and one who can carry on a civilized conversation without blowing a gasket..(sad - but true)

      You've impressed me with your flexibility and your ability to think critically and rationally..

      You're invited back anytime - even if we may not see directly eye to eye..(i'm pretty short anyway..lol)

      Now..move on to my newest one The US Gov't: BY the NRA and FOR the NRA - now. - LET ME HAVE IT! Lol

      can't wait!

      Thanks for the conversation - much appreciated!

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      I am a legal gun owner and I agree with you 100%. And I think the NRA are a bunch of buffoons. Did you know that during Columbine, they went ahead and staged their rally even after the parents of the dead children begged them not to? They did it again directly after a young child found his fathers gun, went to school and killed a 7 year old class mate.

      I did research on the violence rates due to guns and the USA is at the top of the list. I was raised to respect the gun. Mine is not an automatic weapon and I attended many training courses before receiving mine. I have it because my elderly Mom and I live in an extremely rural area many many miles from the nearest police and we already experienced two break in's. I also was a grown ass women (actually middle aged) when I purchased mine. I wasn't a young and highly emotional child.

      The current regulations are a joke.

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      Healthy Life 4 years ago from Connecticut, USA

      Not a minute passes that I don't think of Newtown and how it could have been avoided with better gun control laws. I live less than 15 miles away and drove pass the school that is being used and all the ribbons and signs welcoming the children back. The legislative intent was to be able to protect ourselves from the government and that reason no longer exists. They now have nuclear weapons available and I wonder if the NRA thinks we should all have access to nuclear weapons in addition to weapons that can fire 40 rounds in under five minutes. I'm not saying we shouldn't have the right to a handgun in case someone breaks in but should we really put extremely dangerous weapons in the hands of people we can't monitor. A note to the NRA.. there was an armed guard at Columbine and an entire security department at Virginia Tech so putting guns in the hands of the staff at school isn't the answer. Thanks again for tackling the controversial topics..I think it's making me braver:)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Healthylife2: Sigh..i just posted on my fb page 2 things: 1: an interview (read 'rant') on the piers morgan show (which i dont watch) by Alex Jones...it is an eye opener, but - doesn't surprise me one bit! He reminds me of a few people who comment on my politico/social hubs...

      And - THESE are the gun owners of america - THIS particular moron PROMISES that 1776 will 'COMMENCE AGAIN' if anyone tries to take 'the republics' guns away'..

      check it out - then share these hubs and ANYTHING else you can find - everywhere..

      THEY MAKE NOISE - we back down...

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      AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago

      Hi ImKarn23

      Thank you for writing. And keeping the debate going.

      I took your advice and wrote a hub about it too. There is no shortage of them and no shortage of commenters. Maybe with all these brains working there is hope.

      If we all work together at least. . .

      cheers

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AntonoftheNorth: Hi, Anton..i'd love to read your article! Would you mind giving me a link to it here?

      I'm glad i inspired you to write a hub - and i'll do whatever i can to 'share' it for you...

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      We don't need to amend it at all, the Government needs to exercise its right to regulate the militia.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Teapartycrasher: I agree sir! The title was meant to draw attention - and - it certainly did! Lol.

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