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Updated on March 27, 2013

A Gun Show Loophole Big Enough to Drive a Convoy of Illegal Guns Through?

And Yet - It's STILL gaping open...


FACT: Two out of every five guns sold in the United States - are done so WITHOUT documentation or background checks!

FACT: Gun shows are a known mecca for the illegal sale and purchase of firearms!

FACT: Private sellers and 'hobbyists' at gun shows are NOT required to fill out paperwork - or perform standard background checks!

FACT: There will be over ONE HUNDRED gun shows in neighborhoods just like yours - THIS WEEKEND - and over FIVE THOUSAND this year!

Now...when one reasonably considers the 'state of affairs' with regard to gun deaths - and the clear up-swing in mass murders in this country - the only reasonable question remaining would be:

WHAT-THE-FACT IS GOING ON HERE?


WHAT-THE-FACT is Going on Here...


Here are a few interesting fact-oids that might help us to better understand how this obviously dangerous practice is allowed to not only continue unencumbered - but to flourish - EVEN AFTER SIXTEEN MASS MURDER SPREES IN 2012 ALONE...

In 2009, a House Bill was introduced and referred to 'The Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security'.

The bill - called 'The Gun Show Background Check Act' - would have expanded the existing federal criminal code to include the implementation and enforcement of proper record keeping and standard background checks for any firearm sold at a gun show.

It called only for the same standardized safety checks and balances that licensed, federally authorized firearms dealers must adhere to.

Since only SIXTY PER CENT of firearms are sold through an authorized dealer - this particular piece of legislation would do nothing but level the playing field and protect citizens.

It's current 2013 status - FIVE years later?


STILL PENDING!

In Stark Comparison...


In 1986 The NRA proposed and lobbied for 'The Firearms Owners' Protection Act' - created with the sole purpose of decreasing the power and scope of 'The Gun Control Act of 1968' - AND - was somehow unaffected by 'The Brady Handgun Prevention Act of 1993'.

This bill proposed a daring and death-defying 'disappearing act' - to large chunks of 'The Gun Control Act'!

It allowed private citizens who were not 'engaged in the business' - to sell their personal firearms at gun shows - under the heading of 'Hobbyist'..

It reduced record keeping requirements of federally licensed dealers- specifically eliminating the need to keep ANY records of ammunition sold - and didn't implement ANY requirements for 'private' dealers or 'hobbyists'...

It disallowed for standard background checks or proper paperwork at gun shows..

It raised the burden of proof for gun law violations - making it far easier to get off - thereby retaining the weapon...

And finally - it EXPANDED a federal program that RESTORED the ability of convicted felons to possess firearms...

Even with gun control advocates AND national police organizations angrily shooting the Bill full of holes - IT WAS PASSED BY THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE - THE SAME YEAR IT WAS PROPOSED!

You do the math...

Ban Gun Shows - NOW...


Now, the loving 'mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters' that supposedly make up The NRA - would have you believe that that 'bad guys' will still have guns, even if - OR ESPECIALLY IF - gun control laws are implemented!

If true - gun shows are where they're getting them from!

And - it's the NRA that simplified the process on the bad guys behalf - and the Government that allowed - and continues to allow - them to do so!

I reiterate: TWO OUT OF EVERY FIVE GUNS SOLD in the United States are transacted WITHOUT a background check!

Thanks to the caring, 'family-oriented' NRA - and the complacent, turn-the-other-cheek elected officials - any hand that extends itself with the proper amount of CASH - can have a nice, shiny new gun placed in it!

A Fun Little Gun Show Ditty...


I'd like to close with a short little ditty that occurred at a gun show in Oklahoma - just last weekend...

Three suspiciously acting gentlemen bought a gun - and paid cash. Now, this is - of course - not unusual at gun shows and would have gone unnoticed if not for a sharp eyed police officer working security.

Now, suspecting an illegal sale of a firearm isn't enough 'cause' to allow for an officer of the law to detain such fine men. Oh, no!

This dedicated officer had to tail them - and was only authorized to stop them when they made an illegal left hand turn...

Turns out they had a SLEW of prior felony convictions and current charges - including possession of controlled substances, possession of illegal firearms, concealing stolen property, and obstructing an officer - just to name a few!

I'm guessing it's a very good thing that they took that bad left turn, eh?

And...I'm guessing that The NRA and it's kool-aid guzzling supporters - don't see any problem with this scenario whatsoever!


If it wasn't glaringly apparent as to who is pulling the actual strings (trigger), and running the actual show (guns) - it should be clear as blood now!

Have a great weekend, folks...

C'mon...Give it a SHOT!
C'mon...Give it a SHOT!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Midget38: I couldn't agree more - waaay too easy...waaay too many!

      thanks for taking the time, Michelle!

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      Way too easy to get guns. It's what makes implementing laws unnecessarily difficult. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, as always!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      That is strange lovemychris! Let's hope it's a glitch.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Me...:"wow--I'm trying to answer you LH...my words keep disappearing after I'm done. Just poooof, gone."

      .......Just now saw this: I hope he doesn't mind me repeating it....

      "I've been well into a fairly long and, I would think, quite controversial response to one of your posts. . .only to have it abruptly disappear. I must now at least entertain the possibility that someone in Power at Hubpages doesn't like the way I think and just plain cuts me off."

      Is this possible? Or are our computers "off"?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      like this:

      WorldNetDaily's @ErikRush warns that under Obama we will all soon "bow to Communist overlords" http://bit.ly/VlGXRv

      This is done to inflame people. And not in a sensible way, if you get my drift.

      It's aimed to enrage.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      wow--I'm trying to answer you LH...my words keep disappearing after I'm done. Just poooof, gone.

      1. I don't think Lanza and his mom are the guilty ones

      2. Never did I hear of a cabal of Dems to say no to everything Bush

      3. Bushco was full of corruption and wrong doing...all these people who are outraged about Benghazi were there! No outrage then.

      KKK, Operation Rescue, TP...all RW. All terrorists, IMO

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      If you're talking about the suppression of women, which I know is a hot topic for you, I agree with you, LMC.

      I'll be honest though, I think you're being a little conspiratorial on the whole right-wing thing. Given a little imagination, the same could easily be said about the left.

      Look at all the craziness being said about Sandy Hook. What are your thoughts on those conspiracy theories? Yes, I know they're not left-wing conspiracies. I think they're ridiculous.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Sure does!

      Like the Bush administration, the KKK, Operation Rescue, and the Tea Party, with their vieled threats.

      All given cover by their RW friends in gvt.

      Hopefully no more!

      This psuedo-suppression of gunners is a farce. You need to look at real suppression--which has thrived for decades.

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      "After Ted Nugent & Utah Sheriffs Association, TeaParty might be prosecuted under Smith Act for actively inciting violent overthrow of govt."

      Don't get your hopes up, LMC. I would say it's more likely Barack Obama will be impeached before this happens.

      "Exactly. Terrorists."

      Obviously your views of what terrorists are greatly differs from a lot of other Americans.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Exactly. Terrorists.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      love:

      The rhetoric of Nugent, Rand Paul etc does not seem far from Al-Quadea, etc

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @WebsterGTarpley

      "After Ted Nugent & Utah Sheriffs Association, TeaParty might be prosecuted under Smith Act for actively inciting violent overthrow of govt."

      FINALLY! And let us hope it happens. This is Operation Rescue tactics.....a domestic terrorism outfit long used to getting their way.

      Stop ALL of them!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Indeed, Karen, their selectivity and what they choose to overlook is most revealing and exasperating.

      Whether it's gun advocacy, racism, survivalist paranoia, or evangelical claptrap, it's all anti-American, anti-eqaulity and anti-Constitutional but, nevertheless, condoned here.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wizardof Whimsy: OMG...i canNOT stand the powers that be here! I made a complaint about willstarr coming onto my hubs and being abusive to not only myself - but my readers as well - and they wrote me back saying that i have to erase ALL 'hate' messages - OR BE BANNED!

      ARE THEY NUTS?

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      That sounds like a den of jackals you fell into alright Kar'n!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Thanks LH, I have always recognized the fact that you can be a stand up guy with honor—regardless of your peccadilloes about your money, your fears and your resentments. ;-)

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      Hey, Wizard, I just read your last post then came across where you thought this "Jonesy50" was me, Longhunter, in a forum titled "From My Cold, Dead Hands."

      Just so you know, my posts here on this hub are the first I've made in several months. I deactivated my page here back in August 2012, I think.

      People like LMC and a few others being banned from the forums were a part of why I left.

      Sorry to see you've been banned as well.

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      I wouldn't say I'm cynical, Wizard. Yes, I am extremely distrustful the present administration but I'm not cynical.

      I have noticed a change in you over time. We've rarely agreed on anything but I was asking out of genuine concern. Take it for what it's worth.

      ImKarn23 - I get the same reaction if I go on an anti-gun forum. It happens when one expresses their strongly-held views but neither of us should stop.

      Again, thanks for allowing my posts.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      @WizardofWhimsy: I think you're GREAT!!!

      Ditto, my Dear Dudette! . . . and in the Astonishing-Administrator-Department:

      Here is my correspondence with the Hub Pages censor/moderator who banned me permanently from Hub Forums . . .

      Moderator:

      "Hi there,

      The text of your post is here:

      "I was equating Jonesy's diatribe, and anger about lazy people with another Tennessean, Melisa and in no way do I assume everyone in the South is as biased or wallows in petty resentments about government and the poor.

      It was just a comment to draw Jonesy out. He has a typical mindset of so many self-deluded and angry white men all over the world who can't tolerate change or understand their own prejudices which console them in their fears, anxiety and, at worst, paranoid projections.

      Thes people shouldn't have guns they should have therapists."

      Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns."

      . . . and my response that never got answered:

      "Wait just one minute—since when is labeling an anonymous person's words and behaviors accurately, a personal attack. And how can two anonymous people attack each other "personally?"

      Moreover, I was addressing the words and the behaviors of a category of biased people in general—of which Jonesy exhibits a similar "mindset." Your censor is the one who needs to understand and comprehend the distinction in that statement.

      Furthermore, Jonesy doesn't have to identify with my characterization of his behavior because it is just my opinion. And while your at it, read some of Jonesy's expressions of anger and hateful prejudice, then tell me if my description of that kind of behavior is not an accurate account.

      You allow ignorant fools to spew detestable and blatant agitprop and then won't allow people to call them on it? I don't even know now if I even want to come back to such a poorly run website—but I do recognize a Sorcerer's Apprentice who doesn't have a clue about moderating a forum when I see one.

      You suck at your job, Sir or Madam, but you have probably done me a favor because it's painfully obvious, at this point, that your site is a monumental waste of time and effort. If you had any kind of integrity you would be ashamed and embarrassed for such slipshod and shallow analysis of peoples' comments. "

      FWIW, I keep coming back for people like you and those here who speak out against shameful expressions of irrational hatred and ignorance!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: Oh, X..i'm sooo tired..yesterday i was 'invited' to a political group where i posted one article...

      The first comment on it was from the group ADMINISTRATOR - and guess what it was?

      One word: HILARIOUS!

      Wow..if i didn't just walk blind into the middle of an NRA meeting - i came damned close! They call themselves a political forum - but - they're only interested in like-minded opinions..

      MY opinions were 'moderated' constantly - while others got away with calling me 'stupid' and worse..

      it was...JAW-DROPPING! They have NO interest in solving the problem - NO concern with 80plus dead people a day in the most 'civilized' country in the world - ALL they want to do is BULLY..

      and- they do it well and without conscience..it's truly both frightening - and embarrassing...

      and oh so sad...in the end..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @WizardofWhimsy: I think you're GREAT!!!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      wow, synchro!:

      "The description of the squalid cell with its defective lavatory bears a strong resemblance to “Clink”, a 1932 account of Orwell’s attempt to get himself arrested in north London for purposes of journalistic research."

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @EricBoehlert

      Does Rush Limbaugh Think Civil Rights Activists Should Have Shot Cops?: http://bit.ly/140rIhW

      That's kind of what they are suggesting now, isn't it?

      Hey---OWS.....arm up!

      rigggghhhhhhtttttttt.......it only applies to Baggers.

      OWS--you are terrorists. Throw em in the clink.

      But, Baggers had signs threatening to water the tree of liberty with blood, and use guns.......

      Ehhh, 1st amendment protection, chump!

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Obama has too much support from the really patriotic Amricans to ever be impeached, despite the rantings of the right wing extremists whose paranoid ravings embarass the US before the world.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      "Now we all are oppressed with more and more taxes and higher insurance premiums due to Obamacare. They want to restrict and eventually get our guns. If that happens, our other rights won't be far behind." -Longhunter

      I hate everything?

      I'm cynical?

      I'm not the one here exhibiting those traits!

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      Wizard, Wizard, Wizard, when are you going to realize you aren't always right? That was a rhetorical question so don't hurt yourself answering.

      When did you get so cynical? You hate everything. I mean, come on, Wizard. Is your life really so bad?

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Longhunter, when are you going to realize that describing someone's behaviors and attitudes accurately isn't "throwing out insults?" You don't seem to want to accept responsibility for the things you express and their implications.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, I have my doubts LH. I have dealt with gung-ho people before.

      Add alcohol and a group hangin together....and guns: bad bad news. And No, I know you didn't ask for me to be banned LH...but someone did, and that's what makes me angry. Because i don't recall breaking their rules. It was personal, IMO.

      LH...your rights are fine, it's my daughter's-- and yours that are at stake...REAL time. REAL life!

      And the same people that demand their rights, think nothing of running rough-shod over our kids!

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      LMC, I hope you're not insinuating it was I that got you banned. Remember, I was the one who tried to get you reinstated.

      We all have our special interest groups. Yours is women's rights that I support wholeheartedly. I have a wife, mom, and daughter.

      My group is maintaining gun rights. I don't necessarily condone 3o round clips either, LMC, but I'm not going to just give up the 16 round mag in the handgun I carry legally for personal protection either.

      I don't think anyone is going to be coming to your house to kill anyone, LMC, any more than they'll be coming to mine.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, LH...they wouldn't have done it if people didn't ask them to....so: who is it that really rules around here? ....but thanks! And I'm going spastic at their taking away womens rights....as they give aid and comfort to mass-murder.

      And I mean, really spastic. I fear for my gender.

      And you are wrong here. People do not condone 30 round clips and military style weaponry thrown at them as a means of intimidation.

      Bullies are bullies.....no one likes them.

      And keep in mind....when they kill the gvt, they kill soldiers and police and fellow citizens. They should be real proud.

      If they come to my house and ask me which side I'm on......they will kill a gramma, gf, daughter and mother, with a little grandson who depends on her.

      USA USA USA

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      Wizard - I know you don't agree with me but the way you like throw out insults is always good for laugh. Thanks!!!

      LMC - I see you've turned to the forums since being banned from the forums. It's a shame what HubPages did to you but freedom of speech came to die here. I'm glad to see you're still around.

      ImKarn23 - I'm not worried or the least bit paranoid about the government coming for my guns as they can't take what they can't find. Besides, we all know Congress isn't going to do a thing about guns. Reid has already said he's going to slow walk anything that comes to the Senate as he has several senators from pro-gun states coming up for re-election in 2014.

      The House is led by the Republicans. Nothing is happening there either.

      As for Obama, if he tries to do anything via executive order that goes after the Second Amendment, he knows he'll find himself defending himself in impeachment proceedings.

      So, you see I'm not the least bit worried or paranoid. I'm just sitting back and watching all the Liberals go spastic over something they can't change in this or any other political climate in the foreseeable future.

      In December 2012, 3.4 million guns were purchased in the U.S. That's enough guns to arm every active member of the Chinese and Indian military combined. All owned by U.S. citizens who don't trust their government.

      Keep in mind, while some were bought by people who already owned guns, some were also bought by people who'd never owed a gun before but realized they needed to get one. That should tell you something. I'm not expecting that it will nor that I'll change your mind on any of this. I respect your positions on guns as I do LMC's and even Wizard's whether any of you respect mine or not.

      I do think it's funny how Liberals like to think everyone is on their side all the time. When it comes down to it, no one is really willing to give up their rights, even to Barack Hussein Obama.

      Thank you for allowing my responses.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes, and they are running a lot of state gvts these days.

      Stealth crawl.

      Don't tell people what you are really up to, and then once you gain power, lower the boom.

      It's what the Baglicans did in 2010.....remember Jobs Jobs Jobs? It became take away rights, take away rights, take away rights.

      Clear the deck for total corporate/church take over...don't like it? I got my gun right here to keep you in line.

      and btw...I thank those who were honest! Those like Akins and others. They told the truth about who they are.

      These stealth people...pretending to stand for freedom, when they want to take it away...at the barrell of a gun. Or death threats. Or violence....

      Not who I want to see leading my country, or even a dog-catcher for that matter.

      And certainly not ones I want around my kids. Ever. Anywhere.

      Guns+Anger=Power Trip.

      Egos out of control. False Supremacy.

      Real supremacy is leading by content of character.

      And those who own guns responsibly should be joining us in making it safe for all of us who don't!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: Absolute perfection - what stepford wife isn't...lol..

      i bet i could name some people who think stepford wives are the only kind of wife to have..

      LOL..

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oooh, if I had read Phoenix's comment on your other hub, I wouldn't have bothered with my comment! Nice.

      ps: you like my Stepford wife ImKarn? Isn't she perfection??

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Women are second class citizens, as always. As are those who want no part of guns.

      I mean, I can't BELIEVE we are arguing about their "right" to fire 30 shots in 27 seconds! Or to avoid background checks on ALL gun sales.

      Or to remove certain very deadly weapons from the public space......

      It is crazy on a stick, and I thinks it's a symptom of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

      Why oh Why are we always cow-towing to a minority of people who think their "rights" over-ride anyone else's?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @ Lovemychris: Zackly "people cry over imagined crap, and ignore real life' - but , my dear - it's all part of the rhetoric - which again - they swallow whole without chewing or tasting..

      i do wonder why they never see even a glimmer of sense or light...

      i guess we need to spend billions to indoctrinate, eh?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Longhunter: Hello Longhunter, and welcome!

      I see it clearly, sir - as - i live it - and have for over 50 years...i live in canada - and quite frankly - i feel ten times less oppressed and FREE than i do when in your country - where - while i love it as dearly as my own - i feel more and more ill at ease and unsafe. And trust me - i have spent OOdles of time there - from east to west and north to south - years in fact..

      so, as far as your 'blinder' statement goes - not to mention the paranoid rhetoric about needing to protect yourself against YOUR GOVERNMENT (lol..best of luck to ya - maybe you've noticed that it's no longer muskets all around? If they decide to take your 'rights' - it won't matter one iota that you've got your stupid guns - you're 'rightless' and dead in 3 seconds flat.

      THERE IS NO ARGUMENT TO THIS therefore - your entire point is moot...

      i want peace - or - MORE chance of peace. WHY must you deal with ridiculous scenarios that would be the end of the united states as we know it - whether you've got your guns or NOT - and refuse to deal in the reality of the here and now?

      This question i ask over and over and over - and it's interesting that i don't ever get an answer..

      the government would squash you like a bug - a well armed bug - but a bug none the less..

      Now - can you open your mind to other possibilities - seeing as you no longer need worry about that for one nano-second longer..

      PLEASE?????

      if 300,000,000 guns aren't doing the trick - exactly how many more do you figure it'll take till you've got a safer america?

      Come now...let's talk sense...

      i beg you..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: I hate to change the topic, but - whoever your plastic surgeon is - i'd like his/her number please..

      LOL..

      LOVE the new pic..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovedoctor926: Lol...yoga...lots and lots of yoga!

      love ya Doc...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Shiningirisheyes: I think we'll have to agree to agree that it's a mutual appreciation!

      You're my kind of people - and clearly - your dad was brilliant..LOL

      xx

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      January 18, 2013

      "A new study from a think tank connected to the West Point Military Academy highlights the threat of violent far-right movements in the United States, leading to the conclusion that, while diverse in in their causes, they are similar in their use of violence to achieve their aims. "

      http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/new-we...

      any questions?

      the rest of us already knew.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You know something....IF ONLY Obama would take away their guns! Then they would know how every single poor scared lonely young pregnant woman feels.

      Maybe if they actually had to feel what they dish out, things would change.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      This is what we're up against in a country where ignorance is actually fashionable in regions . . .

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, there are rights that have already been stripped. Women's rights. And it's done by Republicans in power.

      These rights are GONE.

      Should I perhaps get a gun to protect myself from their further reach? Or would I then be a Femi-Nazi?

      People cry about imagined crap, and ignore real life.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Leslie, I admire your patience my friend. Happy Friday!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Oppressed? You can say anything you want, you can have as many guns and as much ammo as you want and Obama is simply asking for more responsibility from the gun industry. You're deluded by your fears and your resentments and you think it's reality, Longhunter. Get some help!

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      Longhunter 4 years ago

      "When Southern racists murdered innocent blacks and their supporters during the Civil Rights era."

      As those responsible for the murders should have been, Wizard.

      It's not just Right-Wingers that are targets of the government. Now we all are oppressed with more and more taxes and higher insurance premiums due to Obamacare. They want to restrict and eventually get our guns. If that happens, our other rights won't be far behind.

      Some see it, Wizard. Some simply refuse to. Those are the ones that go through life with blinders on.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Add Your Comment" ...BUT...in all the history of America...I am trying to think of one time where Right-Wingers were targets of the gvt........can't think of one!"

      When Southern racists murdered innocent blacks and their supporters during the Civil Rights era.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      wow...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, after this i'm done hogging....but I really don't have a problem with separatists--as long as they can respect others who don't live by their creed. My daughter is 1/2 Asian, and all her half-sisters and brothers are commanded by their father not to date outside of their race. A lot of religions do it too....my dad was not allowed to step foot in my mother's house when they were dating...religious differences!

      And here is Muhammed Ali.......saying the same thing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTeudEWOL4w&fea...

      BUT...in all the history of America...I am trying to think of one time where Right-Wingers were targets of the gvt........can't think of one!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      This is an interesting comment by the sponsor:

      "Gun Appreciation Day is organized by Political Media Inc., a Washington-based Republican consulting firm headed by Larry Ward. Ward, who also serves as GAD chairman, recently came under derision for claiming that "Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country's founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history." Ward has stood by his comment and claims that GAD "honors the legacy of Martin Luther King, but also the entire civil rights movement."

      So funny, some people really WERE targeted by the gvt.--African Americans, Civil rights workers, Native Americans, Vietnam war protestors, now Occupy Wall Street.....

      How are right-wing Republicans being targeted by the gvt???

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Gun Appreciation Day Is Sponsored By A White Nationalist Party http://bit.ly/SdP5AX

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      They can't ALL be wrong!

      ‏@WebsterGTarpley

      RandPaul, Rubio, TedCruz desperate demagogues court GOP's fascistoid TeaParty base- fighting over a southern regional party for racists

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      down the rabbit hole we go.....

      The Second Amendment wasn't written because we were afraid the British might return. It was written to enforce slavery http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-am...

      Truth will set us free.

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      Leslie - You think I care whether they "claim" I am commenting for knowing you. They do not realize that it was actually this very subject that brought us closer together. I can not thank you enough for those kind remarks. You started my morning off fabulously.

      I can not condone their unfair and unreasonable tactics.

      I am happy to have met your acquaintance and consider it a privilege to call you a friend.

      Stay true to who you are. Continue to be the intelligent, heart-warming and hilariously funny lady you are.

      I said it before and I will say it again. My Dad would have referred to you as a "class act".

      I tip my hat to you.

      Love, Beckie XO

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      They got you too Wizard??.....And yet....ever they go on. One day we may find out who it is that rules around here.

      And for some history facts:

      http://www.old-yankee.com/rkba/racial_laws.html

      and

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

      and now, after all those years of Bush 1 and Bush 2....they want to impeach Obama......cause Bush never ever did anything Unconstitutional. right?....."a g-d d-m piece of paper" Bush?

      humurous at best.

      And they are crushing women's rights to boot?.....

      Yes, people....

      We still have a fair amount of soul-searching to do as a Nation.

      One day we may reach that goal: All men are created equal.

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      True Leslie, the prejudice has been at the heart of the opposition to Obama from the getgo. They could not deny him a second term so like scorpions they sting everything in sight. .

      Joke is on them though--- the southwest is "browning" all around them. Texas and other border states are becoming a Hispanic majority.

      Hell, I even heard a program that proved the Texans are losing their "twang." They played people recordings of their voices from 20 or thirty years back, and they could not believe they ever "tawlked" that way. I know what that way is too, my sisters all talked like that and I got my first part in a play because I could bluster and BS like a good ole boy.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      EXACTLY the same as their election rhetoric - blustering, bullying, intimidation, disdain, and diversion! Not to mention a disturbing air of entitlement and superiority! They would NOT concede - in fact called for a LANDSLIDE VICTORY!

      It's insane - the absolute discounting of fact and truth, right and wrong - not to mention the total and absolute lack of empathy..

      They clearly LOVE to believe in anything divisive - and seek power and control while blaming others of doing the same...

      But - that's their agenda - to divert and intimidate..

      and let's be honest - they just DESPISE the fact that they have a BLACK PRESIDENT...LOL..

      If MORE stood up against them and exposed them for the neanderthals they prove themselves to be - THEY would be running scared like the cowards they KNOW they are deep down - and often not THAT deep down either!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Stick to your own pistolas of wit, charm and confrontation, Leslie and thanks for the kind acknowledgement.

      And for what it's worth, I have been banished from forums forever by a dunderheaded censor because I am willing to call these troglodytes on their anger, hate and xenophobia.

      Moreover they should frighten you because they are out of touch with their own repressed fears and pathologies. The best comparison I can come up with is that of The Abolitionists prior to our Civil War. I have been watching a wonderful PBS series on it recently and it is most enlightening.

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/a...

      There was a significant backlash by the slave-holding states when they realized that the slave-free states could actually effect change that could end their powerful hold on the exploitation of blacks for cheap labor and control over other people—something they had grown quite accustomed to—nothing like having your way with a mulatto slave and siring more workers for your business while satisfying your sadistic and sexual fantasies.

      After the War with Mexico, (another war for profit) the Southern states negotiated a deal to reinstate a law that allowed southern slave-holders to travel up north to capture and confiscate their "escaped property." They were effective and won the battle, but they overplayed their hands and the atrocities that were committed were quickly exposed which eventually turned public opinion opinion against them—along with the help of Uncle Tom's Cabin and the plight of those who ran from the utter barbarity of slavery.

      And what is the opposite of "slavery" but "freedom"—the very word the slave-owners and the gun-fanatics rely on as their "constitutional right" as a citizen. They're cornered rats and they will become just as desperate because they no longer have a rational or remotely logical argument.

      Their delusions have been exposed for all to see; they're infantile jerks with irrational and unfounded fears. They will go down, but not without a fight because they can't admit the truth to themselves—let alone to others—they have too much false pride and vanity to be honest, courageous or have the decency to be ashamed.

      Take heart and know they have planted the seeds for their own demise politically.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: Can someone please explain to me why we just went through a 2 year long, gruesome, embarrassing, and retardedly expensive ELECTION?

      I mean really - why bother?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wizardofwhimsey: Whatever they label themselves - they're thick heads and itchy trigger fingers frighten me!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Shiningirisheyes: Beckie, you amazing woman you - please read the comment i posted to Wizard's comment..

      I've told you many times how much you impress me and how grateful i am for your support - and now - i've told you BOTH!

      xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wizardof Whimsey AND Shiningirisheyes: I want you both to know - HERE - not over THERE where the shit has hit the fan and my words would be misconstrued into pandering to those who 'agree' with me - that i think you are AMAZING human beings!

      I don't see a lot of guts, a lot of balls - a lot of courage - for people to stand up and do/say the right thing - in the face of bullies...

      i'm afraid it's fear of being beat to a pulp - literally and metaphorically - as civilized conversation seems to have gone the way of reason and sanity...

      Please - don't either of you change - you are brave, old souls - and the world needs your voice..

      You re-invigorate a tired, weary, canadian warrior and worrier - and i don't care what country i'm from - i can guarantee i'm more fluent in your constitution than most americans..

      AND - i love the country and only want what's best for it! In my opinion - that needs to be peace - before you rip yourselves apart from the inside out..

      as we are witnessing...

      blahblah..

      bottom line? THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      I meant to say Rand Paul above—thanks!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      “I’m told Sen. Rand Paul will introduce language within hours, within

      hours, to call for the nullification and prohibition of funding for the

      president’s executive actions announced today and possibly even using

      the federal courts to nullify and defund some of the things that he

      plans on doing,” Bolling said."

      Let's see.............how many times did this happen during this:

      "George W. Bush signed 280 Executive Orders during his presidency from 2001-2009."

      Hey Rand....you needn't bother. All you TP'ers have DONE for 5 years is nullify our votes! Nothing new here, and may I say:

      http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=baby+cry+sound...

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      The ironic fact is that anarchy can't be controlled and that's what these paranoid survivalists really are—anarchists who call themselves "patriots" and "Libertarians," like Ron Paul.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I actually think people are ahead of them, and anticipate their civil war.

      I mean--it's pretty apparent what they are all about from oh say, a second of their presence. "Hey Obama-Suck on this!"....

      I read something the other day....that since the ATA or something has conficated all the bullets---they will be too expensive for most to afford...something like that.

      And we already know this admn has been aware of the rise in hate groups since the beginning.

      .....I don't see any civil war really. But I know for sure, the media wants one.

      That's why they give face time to idiots.

      And why the convo has somehow turned into arming every person on earth...as if that is the only way to "save our babies"....Buy a gun "for the children"....

      Ridiculous, and benefits only the gun manufacturers, who can buy and saturate us with all those adds starring Dr. Dread.

      Calm down, Fox Nation....you can keep your guns.

      But you won't have them around me. Your rights end where my nose begins.

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      I support this outstanding remark and commend you for a well-stated comment. I too saw the "little man from London" remark and have grown weary from the "butt out unless you are an American" routine.

      I refuse to attempt any further conversation from invididuals who resort to this type of behavior.

      Good for you.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Thanks Leslie. The fears and passions of people on both sides of the gun issue are bringing America's rule of law to its greatest test since our Civil War days. We no longer have a common enemy large enough to bring us all together. Our wars are fought by professionals for corporate profit and our population wallows in self-preoccupied distractions that keep them unaware of others' realities.

      The the right's passion for the "freedom" to be financially and physically secure along with "the rights of the individual" versus the left's passion for the "freedom" to pursue equality, justice and the general well being for "the rights of all" is the current Civil War.

      Sadly, the right's passions are mostly irrational and pathological in the sense that they are obsessively hooked on a culture of thrills, violence and male power as opposed to the more nurturing feminine impulses.

      But I take heart because the slaughter if these innocents in Newtown (my home state, btw) has brought out the panic in these paranoid zealots and survivalists exposing them as the irrational and deluded fools they are.

      The NRA , the gun industry and the Republican leadership have all overplayed their very weak cards and have made fatal mistakes in their strategies in their pursuit to continue in their unbridled profits and power.

      Coincidentally from another HUB: Will Starr: ""I just got chewed out by a Canadian who is touting the gun control executive order actions as the best thing ever to happen to this country. "

      I've had lots of non-Americans do that, and they are always liberals. It's like having a nosy neighbor telling you how to run your house.

      There is a growing uneasiness in the country, Fred, as we wait to see what this cocky little tyrant will do next. He is spending our dollar into worthlessness, and the rest of the political class refuses to stand up to him. Their jobs seem more important that the well being of the nation."

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: They're not gonna secede - they're gonna start another civil war, i'm very afriad..

      i'm really starting to think that inbreeding ran rampant...somewhere...somehow - and that listening, reasoning, - and giving a shit were mutated OUT...

      somewhere...somehow...

      what other reasonable explanation could there possibly be...LOL...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      'Odious' - AWESOME word! I have GOT to have this for 'word of the day' tomorrow...LOL

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychrist: How could i possibly have forgotten that they also would LOVE to regulate women's bodies!!! Something that needs as much constitutional protection as THEIR bodies - no more, no less..

      THIS seems reasonable - but regulating ak47's and oozies? OUTRAGEOUS!

      LOL...it's too beyond the pale to believe!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @WizardofWhimsy: Well, Wizzzz - i couldn't have said it more succinctly myself!

      'Anything else is BS' - and - that's that!

      I don't understand where there outrage was when slurpees were regulated...or bubble gum cigarettes...OR OR OR...

      guess they're not impressed that countries that have gun control aren't murdering each other willy nilly - AND - we also get to keep our guns! The ones meant for people - not soldier and cops - that is!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: Yep - although they don't seem to need all that much help - they're doing a pretty good job of looking like morons all by themselves...

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes--Obama said today 900 people have been killed since Sandy Hook. I geuss we should see how many people have been hammered to death, or screw-drivered to death or else it doesn't matter.

      Sensible gun laws....that's too much to ask. But 87% of counties in America..no availability to a constitutionally protected medical procedure, because certain people don't like it.

      ---and they cry.

      BO said I don't want your guns....rifles, handguns....

      Odious says "the wet dream plan", "children as human shields"

      Please....PLEASE SECEDE ALREADY!!!!

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Odious—the Neanderthal genes are still trying to dominate . . .

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      nice...blends the 2 issues together...Rush Limbaugh to caller: "You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun" http://mm4a.org/VKIJdo

      sweet, isn't he?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      And yet, women can't protect their bodies from their gvt's church/state!

      They will have to learn I geuss....we have the right to be free from their guns!

      Just as much as they have the right to own them. Let us not forget: WELL REGULATED militia.

      Not trigger-happy ego obsession.

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      Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

      Unbridled greed, fear, anger, ideological delusion, insecurity, infantile obsessions, male inferiority, Obama hatred, government paranoia, Second Amendment freedom from responsibility to human decency and protection of the innocent . . . it's all tied up in men wanting guns —anything else is BS.

      They only want to protect themselves and their their property—the same as the issues of slavery, only now the gun-lovers are the slaves to their . . . own deluded values that ignore humanity's rights to governmental protection.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a gun violence prevention law; the Drudge Report linked it to mafia violence: http://mm4a.org/V8a2Qn

      Is it coincidense that Alex Jones called Bloomberg a child-sex trafficker? Or did another memo go out...."link gun-control with gangster activity" ?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Independent Firearms Owners Association.

      another option, along with Gun Owners of America.

      The NRA is making you all look bad. racist, and trigger-happy. IMO

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      and no, it is a fact of humanity:

      http://www.answers.com/topic/phallic-worship

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes, and for that stupid NRA add, with the ominous sounding voice trying to scare people.....

      Presidents and their families need protection, because people may be trying to kill them. Really---real-time, not fantasy.

      I do not ever no way no how want an armed guard at my kids elementary school. Not now, not ever. I don't want one at the supermarket, playground, bus stop, etc.

      Keep your gun fetish in your own pants, thank you!

      They are trying to turn us into Gaza, and here's a ps: We are not the enemy!!!

      (and just on a personal note....I don't believe for one instant the story on Newtown. So--there is much more sinister behind that one....and that is what they are covering up. just imo)

      But you won't use that horror to create more horror.

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      Leslie - It has to start somewhere. I consider it a beginning.

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      You can keep your guns if you register them... if you don't you can loose them.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: here's how i see it X - a gun law in new york is worthless unless all the other states tow the same line..

      it's gotta be across the board - federal...

      or...new yorkers are just sitting ducks for the angry and armed...

      do the boys with the oozies and ak47's get to keep them?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemy chris: come on! did he really say that? omg

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      The state of New York has just passed the toughest gun law in the US.

      I hope it is a model for the rest of us.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Whoa

      Thom Hartmann:

      "But I want to tell you something you don't know about the Second Amendment - something that's been lost in the pages of history - that is very crucial to informing today's current gun debate. And that's this: The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" was to preserve the Slave Patrol Militias in the Southern States, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that...and we all should be too...Today's Second Amendment is linked to our nation's disturbing history of slavery. In the Beginning, there were the Militias. In the South, they were also called the "Slave Patrols," and they were regulated by the states."

      go deeper down the rabbot hole...it all comes to the same end, doesn't it?

      and the manuevers to make abortion impossible?........same end.

      We are not as much removed from our past as we would like to be.

      Root it out, shine the light.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @TeaPartyCat

      Rep. Steve Stockman: "We will impeach Obama if he issues an executive order on guns. The charge will be presidenting-while-black."

      This!:@kgwrotethis

      when the GOP & later the Democrats didn't impeach Bush any future POTUS impeachment must not be possible.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Why these buffoons are dangerous:

      "The campaign demonizing gun owners doesn’t work anymore. Does anyone know the guns sold since Sandy Hook massacre are enough to arm the Russian, Chinese, the Indian and US Military three times over. That is not including the private sales which is greater than the instant FBI back ground check. So why are we seeing the patriot panty waste have their stomach in knots? These gun grabbers are little cockroaches we can step on easily when the time comes."

      http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2013/01/14/are-...

      They don't give a flip about fellow American citizens--they want to shoot and kill them for god's sakes! And that inlcudes members of the military, whom they pretend to glorify. Maybe just hit the knee-caps to shut them up?

      Intimidation. Power at the end of a barrell. And that is why the gvt needs to be armed...to protect us peaceful people from the arm-chair warriors, like Nugent, who put peanut butter up his butt to avoid Vietnam.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovemychris: Yep...Yep...and Oh, YES!

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      Unknown 4 years ago

      Please look up Infowars . Com

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Read the forums here...you will see the same argument!

      New Pew poll on guns: 85% of gun owners & 85% of Republicans support universal background checks. http://usat.ly/10uMuHR

      I wish the NRA would listen to its members. And I would remind them that cars are regulated up the yin-yang. For our own safety and the common good.....whether we all like it or not.