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In Search Of Compromise: A Moment With Bill Reflection

Updated on November 14, 2013

A Blast from the Past

During my lifetime I have known two prostitutes; no, not in a business sense, but still acquaintances on a level of open disclosure. We chatted and we learned about each other as humans will do from time to time. What I remember clearly from those conversations was the candor I heard in their stories. There were no pretenses. There were no excuses. There were simply statements of fact…they were prostitutes….they sold their bodies….they supplied a service for payment rendered. They were entrepreneurs in a business as old as civilization and quite honestly I found their candor refreshing.

Now I mention that because I see daily another type of prostitution in society and it is found in the Halls of Congress. There elected politicians sell themselves to the highest bidder in a display of shameful pandering that again seems to be as old as civilization.

I have infinitely more respect for the first type of prostitute than I have for the second, mainly because the ladies of the evening admit to what they are; the politicians lie behind a stream of verbal nonsense cloaked in patriotism.

In other words, if you are going to screw me then please have the common decency to admit it.

All of this leads to the subject of compromise. Because politicians are bought and paid for by the highest bidder, I have very little hope that they will ever compromise. We have seen far too much evidence lately to support that fact; there can be very little doubt that your elected officials are not looking out for the best interests of their constituency but rather for the best interests of the special interest groups that they represent.

I found myself a few months back becoming quite disillusioned by society. There is so much vitriol being spouted in the media and even online on social networks like Facebook. Those damn Republicans. Those damn Liberals. Those damn gun supporters. Those damn warmongers. Those damn peaceniks. Those damn right-wing Bible-totin’ fascists, and on and on it has gone. Compromise seems to be completely missing from society; the argument goes to the one who can shout the loudest.

It is, quite frankly, madness and I am tired of it.

But the more contacts I had with people on a personal basis, the more I realized that the willingness to compromise still exists. Yes, it takes massive effort at times, but I think more and more people truly want to be able to end this senseless shouting match between two disparate sides.

So many people; so many opinions
So many people; so many opinions | Source

The Realities of Our Situation

There are currently 7.2 billion people on this planet. I hate to be the one to burst some bubbles, but I will nevertheless: we are not all going to agree on all topics. No matter how loudly we shout we cannot change the minds of all people…..and if that is true and it is, then what is the point of shouting? What is the point of continuing a discourse that involves calling each other names? It is madness and it must end or we are never going to reach compromises that will benefit THE COMMON GOOD!

The sheer nature of compromise means that no one will be completely satisfied with the outcome, but that everyone will be able to live with it to a certain extent. Compromise is based on the assumption and theory that THE COMMON GOOD is more important than the victories of a few. In any society it is the only way to even approach freedom and civility.

Let’s look at this in-depth a bit and see if we can’t possibly come to a mutual understanding.

Imagine how much could be accomplished if lawmakers could find common ground.
Imagine how much could be accomplished if lawmakers could find common ground. | Source

Worth a watch

Indeed what life is all about

A Recent Example

A few weeks ago I wrote an article about homelessness and how I felt it was a cancer that needed to be eradicated in the United States. All positive comments followed until today.

Today I received a comment by a gentleman who expressed his doubts whether the homeless were really “justified” in being homeless. He felt that many of the homeless simply chose to beg for money rather than work and I surmised that he felt there would be no homelessness if people chose to stop being lazy and got serious about earning their own way.

I will admit that for a brief moment I was ready to rip this guy a new one. How could he possibly be so ignorant as to believe that nonsense? How could anyone in their right mind think such rubbish?

However, he had presented his opinion in a respectful manner and as such he deserved a respectful response. As I was thinking about what I wanted to say to him, I realized that I actually know some “homeless” who are not, in fact, homeless, but instead live with their parents and who actually choose to not work. So my commentator did have some firm ground to stand on in making his comment. True, I do not believe his opinion is valid for all homeless, but there is no doubt that he was partially correct.

I responded eventually, asking for clarification of some of his points, and he responded again in a respectful manner. There was no name-calling; there was simply an exchange of ideas between two human beings over a subject they disagreed about.

I submit to you that if it were possible for him and I to sit in a room and discuss homelessness, we would be able to find compromise eventually. I say that because we approached each other as intelligent human beings who did not try to dominate with opinions but rather simply stated opinions and listened to the other.

Smile on your brother

Where Does Compromise Come From?

There are several factors at play when two parties agree to find some common ground on an issue. The first, and perhaps the most important, is a willingness to compromise. Without that willingness it simply is not going to happen.

There must also be mutual respect on a very human level. I have several writer friends who have very different opinions than I have on issues like national defense, gun control and abortion. That does not mean I am a bad person or that they are bad people; it simply means that we do not agree. I am not the Son of Satan because I want to protect the environment; Bob is not the Son of Satan because he believes that assault weapons should be allowed in a free society. Neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong; we simply disagree on the best way to achieve THE COMMON GOOD.

There must also be a desire to achieve THE COMMON GOOD. There are currently 318 million people living in the United States. How do we come together in agreement when we disagree on so much? Well, we begin by recognizing the fact that what the right wing wants is not what 318 million people want, and what the left wing wants is not what 318 million people want….so we find middle ground, come to agreement, and live to fight another day.

Am I Being Naive?

There is a peacefulness in compromise
There is a peacefulness in compromise | Source

More Reality to Consider

If you are a student of history then you realize the dangers in dictating policy. The world’s history is littered with detailed accounts of what happens when a dictator controls a country by force of will.

In the United States, a citizen signs on to uphold certain principles, those of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The very name of our country states that we are united in upholding those principles. Our government was intentionally established with a balance of power inherent in its structure. Three branches of government, a system of checks and balances, all designed to guarantee that one party or individual could not dictate the policy of 318 million people.

If the game of life does not go our way we do not get to pick up our marbles and go home. We must find a way so that the game benefits everyone; not totally for we will never benefit all groups totally, but partially so that all groups can feel they had a say in the outcome and a vested interest in the future outcomes of future debates.

It is the only way.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Raising awareness one person at a time.”

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Bill, yet another lesson my mother taught me from a young age and am proud to say that I do try my best to compromise if and when someone doesn't agree with me and see their point of view. Not saying I am perfect at this by any means, but just saying I do my best to try. So reading this today, I could shake my head with you main points in agreement. Thanks as always Bill and have a wonderful day now!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, there is only one time that a debate will make me angry and that is when it gets insulting and personal; there is simply no reason for that to happen. Thank you as always for being here.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You smile on me Brother!

      I laughed at the beginning. Congress has an approval rating of 9%. I ain't never heard of a hooker with that low of approval rating.

      My son and I just compromised. He let me finish up a writing and I agreed to help him build a ship when I was done. Win Win. We need to teach it that young.

      Awesome hub. (I liked the guy sitting in a chair -- but not so much that guy with the big head, that lives about ten miles from here ;-)

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      kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      Compromise is probably the best way to go ahead in this society. Unfortunately, too often people don't want to compromise. I don't know if it's the ego talking or a question of principle or greed..... or a mix of all these!

      I have a example of it with the bankruptcy of Nortel. There are people all over the world who worked for that company and depending on the country they live in their right for the pension is protected or not. Here in Canada, it's not. So the money collected from selling all the buildings, patents, etc. is being "negotiated" to be shared between creditors by lawyers. It's going on since several years now and my prediction is that the creditors will not have a lot of money and there will be probably no money left for the Canadian workers because the lawyers are eating it up. I find that really sad that in this case, greed and power of a few takes precedence over the well being of many.... they don't take time to compromise :-( If people compromised more, the world would definitely be a better place! It's true on all the levels of our society!

      Thank you Bill for taking about this important subject!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Eric, an approval rating of 9%???? Is that even possible? Way too funny and way too sad.

      Get busy on that ship; I want to see pictures. :)

      Thanks buddy!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joelle, there are thousands of such examples. This country is in trouble and everyone wants to blame everyone else, and that is no way to solve problems.

      Thanks for sharing that example. Have a great day.

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Well Bill, it seems the numbers show more and more are dissatisfied with how things are going right now and I applaud them. Sometimes we accept too much. If we overlook these prostitutes and allow them in our midst then they will only become braver and bolder in their outrageous behavior. Maybe that "Just say no!" slogan is starting to apply here, today, now! I hope so. Then we can work together for what "we" want.

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      Linda Crist 3 years ago from Central Virginia

      Ah Bill, "compromise" is an nteresting word. We can compromise to make good things happen or, we can compromise ourselves for the sake of ego, money, power, etc. Our Congress is showing us what happens when compromise takes the low road. Indeed! These are important days we are living in. Examples are being shown to us daily and we can learn the lesson and build a solid foundation for future generations or we can turn a blind eye, leave things as they are, and go down the proverbial tube. with the idiots. I love the comparison of prostitutes you provided. There is a difference, isn't there? Once again, you have defined the choices before us. Hopefully your loyal followers will choose compromise in a positive sense and share the love. That's your mantra and no one does it better than you. I love you kindred and sometimes I do take the short toute and say "I love ya". Forgive me?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, there is no forgiveness needed. You and I will always have a bond forged from compassion and empathy. I'll hang with you any old day, Kindred, and don't you forget it.

      The decisions coming up are huge; I wonder if we the people are smart enough to make them?

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I love it....just say no! No to the lawmakers who refuse to do what the people want them to do and need them to do. Well said my friend; well said.

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      I love your analogy comparing prostitutes to politicians. I place far more trust in honest prostitutes than I place in any of our politicians.

      We all know that most politicians are for sale. Lobbyists controlling big bucks have a huge influence on what happens in our government.

      Has there ever been a politician who left office with less money than he had when first elected? We have to wonder why anyone would put up a few million bucks of his own money to get elected to a job that pays $174K per year?

      Most of what we see on TV is nothing more than pre-rehearsed showtime to appease those of us that even care anymore. They argue back and forth, resolve nothing, and when the show is over they all go out for dinner and drinks at our expense.

      I'm actually surprised they are able to maintain a 9% approval rating. Perhaps they all need to be fired and replaced by honest prostitutes who know how to compromise?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Poolman, I'm laughing because i don't want to weep this morning.

      I was a bit surprised by the 9% approval to tell you the truth. I want to meet that 9% and shake some sense into them...in a very compromising way of course. :)

      I don't know buddy; we've got trouble in River City and the inhabitants are hiding their heads in the sand.

      Thanks my friend.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Compromise is the way most of us live. We compromise when we can't come to a mutual agreement. John wants to go see a movie, Jane wants to go to dinner. Perhaps they compromise by ordering in and renting a movie. Compromise lends itself to adjustment. Maybe we can't afford the car of our dreams but we adjust the dream to fit the immediate need.

      Our government, on the other hand, doesn't know the meaning of compromise. It's do as I say or be penalized. No communication. No looking to the people for what we need or want. It's all about wham bam thank you mam. And be sure to pay me for jamming this rod up your ass!

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Bill, another great article. But, you know me, I am going to have to put my two cent in.

      People are more educated than they were 100 years ago. We get the news as it happens via TV, radio and newspapers. These three listed news givers are also powerful players in the political game. Each of the

      three may give a slanted twist to the same story. We do not know who to believe.

      Sadly, power and money can change a person's integrity, all too easily. There seems to be no guilt when spending exorbitant amounts of money, when it is not your own money. And, the lines of moral fiber must be terribly easy to cross when in a different country.

      When speaking of cutting costs, why do they target the welfare recipients and senior citizens? Why not cut the salaries and pensions of those

      who give themselves cost of living raises for life? Why not insist that those who have given us oboma care must live with oboma care. How is it that they get an insurance coverage that covers all and it does NOT cost them a dime for the rest of their lives?

      Who is to say that we, too, would not be tempted to receive a 200.00 man's hair cut if we were not the ones paying for it! Perspective powers

      are easily lost in a "Yes sir, world". The value of a dollar is lost when it is not your dollar that you are spending. And, compromise is lost when

      one sees no need to compromise.

      It is those of us who still have our pulse on the state of humanity that feel a desperate need to make things better.

      Most of the heads of power, in Washington, live in a different stratosphere. They do not relate to homelessness, sick & lonely elderly,

      or the man who lost his job due to outsourcing. They cannot relate to the family who lost their home and are living on the streets.

      They do not understand that the Middle East has been at war since Biblical times, and have no intension of resolving anything to live peacefully. Yet, we are still sending our young men and women into

      a war that has been going for over 10 years!

      Compromise? Hell no! I am ready for some common sense to come to the forefront. I think compromise is what got us in to this social-economical blunder that we are in. It is time someone stood up and said,

      NO! The stupid has gone on for much too long!

      That may have been a little more than two cents worth.

      I think I owe you $9.98

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL....Sha, you just made my day. The last line is a classic and oh so true. Thanks for the laugh although it is a painful subject.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, you owe me nothing. This is a classic comment and I love it.

      I saw something online the other day...the cost of implementing Obamacare is $316 million. There are 318 million citizens in the U.S. How about giving each of us a million bucks and we'll worry about taking care of ourselves with that little nest egg? I don't need politicians if I can start with a million bucks. LOL I'm sorry; that solution is far too simple.

      Keep on ranting my friend; I'll end up paying you for your wisdom.

      bill

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      Yes Dear 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I wonder how much it cost to implement Medicare prescription drug bill?

      Dems hated it, but compromised once Bush got it passed.

      I wonder why Bush was given a year to get it right, and this ridiculous "train-wreck", and "disaster" propaganda is all the rage now with Obamacare?

      Seems like we Americans compromise plenty when it's a Republican president.

      I mean, it really took years for them to get that right-- at a huge boon to big pharma.

      But it never seems to work the other way around, when Dems want compromise.

      I think the solution is simple too......single payer.

      How can we compromise with that idea?

      Oh yeah......ACA.

      Done and done.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      THE COMMON GOOD! Oh where has it gone? Compromise is the name of the game. I always told my children that's why there is vanilla and chocolate, not everyone has the same tastes but we need to live with the vanilla lovers and let them eat what they like. Both have to come to an agreement that makes everyone happy...maybe not overly joyful, but happy with their joint decision.

      You are the tops, your comparison with the prostitutes who show their honesty and the prostitutes in Congress is spot on.

      Voted up, useful, awesome, and very interesting.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Chris, thanks for your thoughts. I was hoping we could discuss this without labeling, but maybe I'm spitting in the wind. This isn't a Republican problem anymore than it is a Democratic problem. As long as special interest groups are paying off politicians we will never see real compromise and action in D.C.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I loved the chocolate swirl ice cream cones at Dairy Queen growing up. The best of both worlds if you ask me. LOL

      Thank you my friend; I think you are pretty special too.

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      larry kitzmann 3 years ago

      Well my friend once again you have me agreeing with you. In order to make compromise possible you have to understand the other sides position. As a history and poly sci junkie I read almost every and anything I can get my mind around. It goes from Glenn Beck and others on the conservative libertarian side to reading the International Socialist Review along with Zinn and Chomsky. I really believe that helps me to better form my own understanding of issues and come to my own working position on issues. Yes it totally blows people away when they see our library at home. I know they think I must be schizo and who knows they may be correct in that assessment. All to many though are so myopic they can only see the issue from a very narrow aperture. It's like those who only watch Fox news and or M.S.N.B.C. It comes down to preaching to the choir. Well if there is to be any harmony within the choir there has to be at least a civil level of listening to the other's position. As you well know given todays culture I fear for the future of our republic. I would say democracy but we abandoned that one a long time ago along with the Constitution. That though is a rant for another time. Don't take this the wrong way but the math on the Obama care roll out only comes out to a dollar per person. As always take care my friend and yet another post well worth the read.

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      CraftytotheCore 3 years ago

      Billy, you hit the nail here on so many topics.

      First, I almost snorted tea out of my nose at the first line in your Hub! LOL

      The gentlemen who you were able to have an intelligent conversation with is refreshing. I can say from experience, it's never been that easy for me.

      A couple of weeks ago I sat on an executive committee meeting in which I was invited to attend. It was about children with special needs and parental rights. Well, low and behold, there were two arguments. I was on the side of a child with Autism. The other two were on the side of a child with Down Syndrome. You would think, all being parents of children with special needs, that we face similar situations and can compromise for the greater good. Not so. I doubt I'll ever be invited back to a meeting because I'm a no BS type of person and say it like it is. I'll even spell it if that's what it takes. They were only interested in one thing only, while I brought up valid issues that concern all children with special needs. It was a no-win compromise situation, the other two only being out for themselves.

      It sickens me too. Today, I had a struggle with something. I had to go to run errands. I live in a military town. There are a lot of wounded vets here living in subsidized housing. A man, with no legs, sat in a wheelchair trying to cross the street. It's a wide two lane road, one lane each way. The man could not get across. I wanted to stop, get out of my vehicle, and cross with him. But there was no crosswalk. There was no safe way to cross. I would have taken a chance of getting hit by another car. So I kept driving while watching the man sit on the curb in his wheelchair.

      What people don't know about this situation and why it would impact my life at that moment is because I have fought for years with the town officials to do something better for our elderly, children, and handicap people that live here. There is a lack of crosswalks. There is a lack of safe routes for children. There is a telephone pole in the middle of a sidewalk near where a disabled man in a wheelchair lives by my house. How is he supposed to wheel down the sidewalk?

      The town was given millions years ago to fix the problem in this town. For years they have talked about fixing it up and getting it safer for walkers and bicyclists. But it never happens. I have made phone calls, wrote letters, walked the streets holding a make shift sign on an old mop handle. People threw garbage at me.

      And the homeless population here has exploded. 20 years ago there was one homeless man named Tom Fish. He was a brilliant man. He went crazy. He chose to live on the streets. They would pick him up in the ambulance, and he wanted to go right back to his garbage can route.

      But that's not the case for many today. There are families living in cars with their children. There was a case recently where a woman was homeless and sent her child to a school every day. The town arrested the woman for "illegally entering her child in a school district other than her last known residence". Last I heard, she is in jail. Where's the justice!

      I've stopped my car on many occasions. I've offered a ride, water, food, shelter, and clothing. Most of the homeless here are too prideful to accept anything for free. They want to work for it. They want to be paid in food to work.

      Ok, rant over. I've said enough for now. Thanks for writing this and letting me share my own experiences Billy!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oh no, I knew that Larry....I'm just saying, let's save money down the road and just give us all a million now; then shut down the system, get rid of dead weight government workers....we all save money and headaches. LOL Seems so damn easy to me, but then nobody asked me.

      Education....information.....understanding.....yes, yes, and yes.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wow, Brandi, how can I add anything more to your rant? I can't. I could write a hub about this subject every single day for a month; there is so much injustice in this world; you detailed the injustice in just one town and look at how much you wrote. We need change....I would love to know which city you are talking about but I won't ask for the sake of anonymity. I suspect those problems exist in many military towns across this country.

      Thank you for your passion and compassion.

      bill

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      Well spoken. My sentiments exactly. I'm tired of the misguided fanatics on both political extremes. People treat politics as if it were religion and they are putty in the hands of the "prostitute" lawmakers. Fanaticism of any color is what we really should protect ourselves against. Great hub!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mel, I am sick to death of the fanatics in this society, the ones who feel if they shout loud enough people will listen...and the sad thing is that people do listen. We need voices of reason more than ever.

      Thanks for your thoughts my friend.

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      Jamie Lee Hamann 3 years ago from Reno NV

      Amen. Jamie

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      Bill, in my opinion the blind party loyalty is the root cause of many of our current problems. Many politicians are forced to vote with their team rather than their head. I think we would see a great deal more compromise if the party loyalty would just go away.

      It seems more credit is given to the team that wins the most battles regardless of what damage this "win" will do to the citizens of this country.

      There really are at least a few really smart, talented, and experienced people in Washington. The problem is this talent and knowledge can't be used if it would violate the rules their team has set for them.

      Just think how great it would be if this talent could be used constructively to solve some of our problems. But that will never happen as long as the main objective is scoring points for their own team.

      Perhaps we should require them to change teams every couple years and demand they vote with their head instead of their uniform. We would do that right after we put a bounty on all lobbyists.

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      Liz Davis 3 years ago from Hudson, FL

      That was some hook of an introduction!

      I think too many people are addicted to the fighting to ever compromise. It's like their lives depend on it, and the anonymity of the internet makes it that much easier to get their daily dose of drama. I'm with you, though: I'd rather see problems solved than go 'round and 'round about who has the right answers.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Jamie! Good to see you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL..Poolman, I'm all for that bounty on lobbyists idea. As for party loyalty...get rid of the parties and then we might see some positive action. Just a thought.

      I always love your comments; thank you once again.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, I'm glad you liked the intro. I was hoping that might grab someone's attention. :) Thanks my friend....I hope all is well in Florida and no cars have fallen in the canal of late.

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      Ann Carr 3 years ago from SW England

      I find it really sad when someone can't discuss with another who disagrees without becoming aggressive. Anger and disdain mean a person isn't really listening or trying to understand. Putting oneself in someone else's shoes is a technique our politicians would do well to consider more often. They don't listen, they don't try to go beyond their opinions and their already 'set in stone' policies. Compromise means peace and harmony which is so good for us all. Great stuff! Ann

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Ann! I guess I've come to expect it from politicians; what really bothers me is the hatred and vitriol I see on Facebook and other social sites. It makes me wonder if there is any hope at all.

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      It is relatively easy to make decisions when it won't affect them personally. It is only when we get close to election time that any of them seem to care what the citizens think.

      I doubt they are willing to risk not getting reelected no matter how much that lobbyist offers them in the way of a bribe.

      Those who are the most vocal are usually the one's who have been hurt the most from stupid political decisions. There is also a great deal of misinformation circulating that can needlessly make someone quite angry.

      Perhaps one day we will have a President who can actually get our elected clowns to work together and solve some problems.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poolman, wouldn't that be a day to celebrate. As it stands now absolutely nothing is going to happen until 2016 at the earliest and I have serious doubts about that election. :)

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      mylindaelliott 3 years ago from Louisiana

      Although I agree with your points, I don't see a way for the people in Congress to compromise. They seem to be doing anything they can to undermine each other in any way they can. Both sides do it while professing that they are following the rules and trying to work together. It's so frustrating.

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      mylindaelliott - That is the point exactly. We can hardly expect them to accomplish anything when all they do is fight like little children. It is long past time to fire and replace most of them. We then need to let their replacements know we will no longer tolerate this type behavior from our elected representatives.

      We will never get them to agree to term limits, so we make our own term limits by not reelecting any of them that are not doing the job we pay them to do. Until we eliminate or reduce the blind party loyalty nothing will ever change.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I don't believe for one minute that Congress will end this silliness. As Poolman said, we keep voting them out until they get the picture....and....we learn to compromise on a local level so we can get something done.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Obviously my friend I agree with you.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, you had me worried there for a moment, great hook and another very interesting read. Politicians don't know the meaning of the word compromise, their greedy eyes are on the whole pie, to compromise is to agree to share, and they don't do share... it's winner takes all and to hell with the weak and the poor. Maybe the next generation will see things differently.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, we can only hope. I have my doubts but remain guardedly optimistic.

      As for the hook....I had some fun with that one. :)

      Thank you of course; you are a gem.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 3 years ago

      Very profound. The politicians fight and name call and point fingers, but then the media (which was supposed to be an objective entity) takes side and fuels it, and then people do the same thing in spades, applauding the media and the politicians who do it, so the politicians and the media do it more. It's only going to stop when we 'little people' refuse to participate in the mudslinging, and refuse to accept it from either side (instead of stepping back quietly with mouths closed when it happens to come from those we agree with, and only blame those we don't agree with for doing it). It's a real mess, hopefully it'll change one day.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I agree with old poolman, clean house, limit terms, insist our elected officials are working for ' the common good ' I would like to see a third party run, both the Dems and Rep have forgotten the people. We have the power to clean house but will we? Great hub Bill.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      WiccanSage, it is truly a mess. What most people do not want to hear is that we only have ourselves to blame for most of society's problems. As long as complacency and apathy rule the land we will see more of this crap.

      Thanks for stopping by; I appreciate it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And Ruby, that's the question, isn't it? Will we, the people, finally say ENOUGH and do something to change this mess? Only time will tell my friend.

      Thank you!

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. Near the end, I was the "last word". A lot of responsibility.

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      Dennis AuBuchon 3 years ago

      Well done. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your hub. You made some great points and very true. I voted up, useful, awesome and interesting along with liking, pinning and tweeting.

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      Mr Archer 3 years ago from Missouri

      There was a book entitled "The Art of War." Why is there not one on The Art of Compromise? Why do today's citizens of the world feel like if they do not get their way, they lose?

      Once, while working as a manager for WalMart, I went to a three day Management Training Course. There were around fifty of us in this class and we were occasionally broken into groups of roughly seven for an exercise. This one was a very simple exercise: each group had a card that was red on one side, blue on the other. A sheet of paper was handed out to each group detailing how you were to make money. If one group turned blue and the others red, you made so much mney. For each number, there was a corresponding dollar amount ranging from $1,000 down to -$200. The point was to make as much money for all concerned as was possible. I was not the leader of the group but I understood the thrust of the lesson perhaps better than most.

      If every group turned red, everyone made money. No other order made everyone money but that one: so we turned red. Time and again, we turned red. No one turned red every single time but us.

      Finally, the teacher took us out into the hallway to speak with our group. She demanded to know why we continued to turn red. The rest of the group looked to me so I explained. The stern look disappeared, and she smiled. "You are the only ones who understand this exercise. For EVERYONE to make money, EVERYONE must turn red. Let's go give it another try."

      So back we went. She asked every group to turn their cards and we stood alone once more as red. The other groups laughed at us. Finally, the instructor cut them off and let them know (in no uncertain terms) that our group was the only group who understood the art of compromise. If each group turned red, everyone would win by making money.

      They did not understand. It was what was good for them, not for everyone else.

      That is where the world is today. What's in it for me, not for the greater good. It saddens me that human nature has fallen so far as to desire to stand upon others rather than lift them up.

      Once again Bill, you strike swift and sure to the heart of the matter. Compromise: caring more for others than one's self so that all may benefit. Well done Kind Sir. Well done. Excellent work here.

      Please give my kindest regards to Bev and your family and many Holiday Blessings to you, my dear friend.

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      Another great hub Billy and I also compromise when someone is of a different opinion to mine. However in years gone by I would have given in without a fight to agree for a quiet world but hope that today I will always be judicious .

      Even though we live in different nations there is not the world of difference in which our country leaders think and go about their way.

      Up, across and shared Billy my dear friend and thank you for once again leaving much food for thought. Lots of love from Wales.

      Eddy.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      This is serious. I get angry too, when I see people cheering over lies they are being told--for the money. As for that self-proclaimed judge on the plight of the homeless, we don't know his mental condition. Bill, you speak to our hearts/consciences. Thank you.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      In Search Of Compromise: A Moment With Bill Reflection leaders think differently and do things as they wish. You have created another well informed hub and lots to ponder on here.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Ah, yes, compromise, I know it well ... for I have been married 35 years : )

      Any one of us could be homeless at any given time in our lives, and so can that very man, whether he realizes it or not, and the point is ... compassion in our hearts for our fellow human being.

      I am wondering if the US is "The Great Prostitute" that is written of in God's Word, the Holy Bible, for we have become a nation that seems to have sold out. If we take a hard look at our Nation, as far as the greed and all else combined ... makes one wonder for sure.

      Blessings,

      Faith Reaper

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      ocfireflies 3 years ago from North Carolina

      Bill,

      I have voted in every election since I turned 18. I was taught that it was through exercising our right to vote was one of the ways in which we can bring about change, but as you so wisely point out, if the candidates/winners are not willing to participate in the art of compromise, nothing really changes. How I wish there were more folks like yourself who are willing to listen to opposite views and be respectful in the process. Wishing for more folks like you were willing to run for office and actually BE a Voice interested in COMPROMISE. Excellent hub my friend.

      Kim

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Indeed it must have been, Martin, and I'm sure you handled it well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dennis, I am very appreciative. Thank you Sir!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, that is the perfect example of this hub. There are those today who would slit their own throats in order that the other side not get anything. It is madness my friend; it is madness.

      The only thing that fills me with hope is that my inner circle of friends are not like that, and if there is one inner circle then there must be more.....and that is where we begin.

      Blessings to you and yours, Mike! Have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, I don't know how this is all going to change but I sure hope it does soon. We will all be losers in the world we are now forming. It is time for calmer minds to prevail.

      blessings and love always

      billy

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, it is serious and we all have a stake in the outcome. Hopefully you and I and others like us can prevail with wisdom and compassion. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DDE, as long as there is money to be made in the art of politics, we will find corruption and no compromise. I hope I live long enough to see it change.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ah, Faith, great question...The Great Prostitute....the U.S. does seem to have sold out. Money at the root of all evil??? I don't know, but I know it certainly is a contributing factor. Thank you for your thoughts and blessings to you always.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kim, I grew up the same way....it is my responsibility to vote and have a say in the government...but do I really have a say? I can complain about things or I can write about them and raise awareness....I choose to write.

      Thank you my friend.

      bill

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      Yes Dear 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "This isn't a Republican problem anymore than it is a Democratic problem"

      Then why was Bush given time to make his right, and Obam is labeled a failure before it even starts?

      It's ALL about who's in power: and until you admit who it is....YOU are spitting in the wind! IMO

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      Compromise is an art, Bill, and from what I see and hear on a daily basis it is an art form that appears to be declining - particularly among our elected representatives.

      Loved your hook, excuse me, introduction, y'know.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks lovemychris; I always enjoy hearing opposite views. Have a great weekend while I got outside and continue to spit.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      drbj, the perfect hook for....well, y'know. LOL Compromise in D.C.???? Will it ever happen again?

      Have a great weekend my friend.

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      Yes Dear 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No answer? Par for the course. you have chosen a side then. Ok for repubs, not allowed for dems.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are too funny lovemychris! Why so confrontational? What does it accomplish. I respect your take on the political scene; why can't you respect mine? Is it asking too much to agree to disagree without getting nasty?

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      Yes Dear 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You ask for compromise. Only one side turns from it. Yet, you dont acknowledge. I find this hard to understand. Also, I thought you had referenced spitting in the wind, which is why I said it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Have a great weekend lovemychris. Thanks for stopping by once again.

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      It just makes so much sense, Bill....why can't we just all get along, in the words of Rodney King...it would just be a wonderful thing...

      I love love loved the video about love and my heart went flip flop when Bev said back to you 'i love you.' How adorable is she...

      Keep on keeping on my friend and know the Angels are right there with you both :D ps

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, you took the words right out of my mouth...Bev is adorable and I am unbelievably lucky.

      Angels and a big old hug coming your way

      bill

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      How nice it is so be so blessed!! Thanks for the Angels and hug and right back to you both...have a lovely evening..

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I will indeed PS. Thank you!

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Thanks for another amazing lesson, Bill!

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 3 years ago from Riga, Latvia

      Your lessons are well taken Bill. Always things to consider and think over. Passing this on.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you vkwok; I hope you have a great weekend in sunny Hawaii! Aloha my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Rasma! I try not to be preachy and I'm glad these are welcomed as friendly advice and encouragement.

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Compromise seems to be easier to reach among people from other countries, as they seem to be more familiar with negotiation. Many Americans don't have that skill. We certainly get more information if we try to see each other's point of view.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      We sure do, Deb. I don't know about other countries other than my friends on HP; if nations got along as well as we do on HP there would be few problems in the world. :) Thanks as always for your thoughts.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Good evening Bill.

      Hope that your Thanksgiving celebration won't be spoiled by my comment to this of your most needed lesson to humanity. So many excellent comments has been made , what a display of excellent writers. My question though would be , how can compromise be feasible when system is enforcing wrong as right, evil as good, lie as truth ? And a winner is: the one with more military power. Rather than learn from historical facts, history is being rewritten and in many cases denied possibility that Cain has murdered his own brother as a self-imposed compromise.

      You my friend have heart of mercy and grace always submitting the best of the system ," Neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong; we simply disagree on the best way to achieve the common good." sounds like desire of every good honest and moral heart… What about the performance elected officials ? Any mirror with minimum dignity reflection will cause massive resignation everyone daring to look straight into own face.

      As the righteous indignation has burst in my soul I reach after Dictionary to get some better insight what actually compromise is : "a concession to something detrimental or pejorative; to make a dishonorable or shameful concession;" compromising is telling me, " is to expose or make vulnerable to danger, suspicion, scandal, etc." ( Do not evidence prove it ?)

      One of the commentator said it the best :"Compromise? Hell no!

      Please , do not start trowing stones at me, I am bit slow learner of this complicated though beautiful English language. I believe in " humanity " with face - the undefiled face… the same time I believe in universal justice , ( works independently of my belief)- in this orbit " someone" has put it there and it will never conk out.

      Voted awesome, beautiful and useful.

      Good night and God bless you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, I would never cast stones at you for your opinion. I'm sorry I'm late but I was busy with family and friends and am just now getting to the comments.

      I was very active during the protests of the 1960's here in the United States. I did not believe in compromise at all during that time. I guess the older I become the more I hope that compromise can exist, but in truth I have seen no proof that it does. I think we are approaching a revolution in this country and in other countries around the world. People are suffering and our leaders do not care....do I want to see bloodshed? No, but I do not want to see oppression, either, and sometimes it is necessary for the oppressed to shed blood for change.

      Thank you for your thoughts my friend.

      blessings always

      bill

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      cynthtggt 3 years ago from New York, NY

      Haven't been able to view the video as I am still without that ability on my computer, but this hub gets my applause. I think we are at a crossroads that cries out we should be seeking a higher plateau. Wonderful hub. Good work. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      cynthtggt, I think you are correct....we have some decisions to make in this country and the sooner we decide to work together the better. Thank you for your thoughts.

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