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The Scotus Decision on Same-Sex Marriages and 'Conservative' Reactions (Updated 2016)
A work in progress
Originally titled in 2013: Same Sex Marriages and the (Federal) Supreme Court
Will the Fed Supreme Court decide for the entire country, or defer back to individual state supreme courts? Is there really any justice for individuals or just corporations in the U.S.?
This truly remains a work in progress --
"it's not over until the fat lady sings...."
The original writing:
Will the Federal supreme court actually make one decision for the entire country, or defer back to individual state supreme courts? Once again passing the buck to someone else as a ploy to stall, and put off, making this decision? Is there really any justice for individuals in this country, or just for corporations, and the wealthy, who can buy their favorable decisions? We certainly have seen many instances where the courts rule in favor of the corporate entities over the individual.
((The first update: June 0f 2013))
As we all know by now the Supreme court did only half of a job, as is usual for them. God forbid they should make any decision that would make life easier for anyone but their benefactors - Corporate America.
They at least were on the right side of history in overturning proposition 8 in California making same sex marriages legal once again as it should be.
But by their limited ruling, they kept in place the rights of individual states to continue to discriminate at their pleasure against this minority.
And by their refusal to state that discrimination is illegal in every state, they have caused the uphill battle to continue for millions of American citizens to gain equality in this country. This need for a battle that should never have been allowed to continue. Hell, it should never have been allowed to even start.
Basic human rights are afforded to everyone under the constitution, without any specified exceptions based on any moral, legal or ethical arguments.
We have allow the ignorance of religious beliefs to cloud our judgments and continue their hateful discrimination against this minority. This is truly a shame on the American justice system.
- Supreme Court Rules On Prop 8, Lets Gay Marriage Resume In California
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court on Wednesday left for dead California's same-sex marriage ban, Proposition 8, but the question of gay and lesbian couples' constitutional right to marry remains very mu
Legal "double talk"
The following is a portion of an email sent to my niece today that spurred me to write this hub about this social injustice in this country:
"I listened to the arguments before the supreme court yesterday, by both sides, on the issue of whether same sex marriages should, or should not, be legal in the state of California. Those arguments in front of the court lasted 1hour and 20 minutes.
I have never before heard such double talk that meant absolutely nothing.
The feeling that these arguments leave you with is that the supreme court will NOT make any decision regarding this issue at all, but rather put it back in the hands of the California supreme court, and then each state will have to make their own decisions. What a bunch of bull crap.
The decisions that will effect billions of U.S. citizens as to whether they (we) will continue to be discriminated against will be rendered in June of this year.
There is certainly no reason to believe that this bigoted supreme court will actually find that states are illegally discriminating against a huge bloc of the U.S. population. I for one will be shocked beyond belief, if they do. I have little, if any, faith left in the intelligence, or the integrity' of our government in its present state."
And no faith at all in the biased federal supreme court. When bigots appoint bigots to serve on the supreme court what else can we expect of them?
Photos/video/links/and written text of the video are all Courtesy of AFER (American Foundation for Equal Rights)
The "rationale" based on ignorance
The U.S. Supreme Court has just released the audio, and written transcript, of today’s ( March 2013) historical arguments about whether the freedom to marry includes same sex couples or is privileged for only mixed couples. These innocuous arguments were the same made by the same mentality of people many years ago about interracial marriages, and how they would adversely effect the children produced in those marriages.
Those arguing to continue the ban on same sex marriages cite that marriage was originally intended for procreation purposes.
The court asked them why people who are infertile, and those over 55 years of age should not be banned from marriage as well, if this is their only arguments for banning same sex marriages. And how do they justify the government allowing prisoners to marry that are serving a life sentence?
Their preposterous response was that the reasons for allowing people over 55 and prisoners to marry is that in both instances the biological "possibility" to bear children still remains.
Their justification for allowing infertile couples to marry was never addressed in a logical manner except that they are not the same gender. In other words they are basing their arguments solely on they personal religious beliefs. And this, as an argument, should be discarded, as there is to be no religious influences on government laws regarding morality.
Throughout this article there are links provided to listen to the audio of the proceedings, and also links to other briefs and arguments filed from both sides' compellingly riveting and controversial issue if one would care to follow these proceedings through their Supreme Court processes.
The case is now fully submitted to the Federal Supreme Court for their "legal" consideration. The Justices will weigh all arguments in a private conference on Friday.
A final decision is expected by the end of June 2013. It will be interesting to see if this Court has the fortitude to rule in favor of equality throughout all states or simply shirk their responsibilities once again for the next generation to fix.
The consequential negative effects on the billions of gay Americans is of little interest, or of no concern, to the government, the courts, the heterosexual population, or the children involved in that discriminatory decision.
The only "winners" will once again be the religions bigots who seem to have an immense influence on the lives of those in control - no doubt in their fear of pissing off their gods who will condemn them to an eternity of hell fire and brimstone for defying the churches idiocy.
- Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage Nationwide
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Friday that it is legal for all Americans, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, to marry the people they love. The decision is a historic
- Republicans’ Gay-Marriage Hysteria - The Daily Beast
Most Americans approve of same-sex weddings, but the GOP and its 2016 pack desperately fight on, even proposing to amend the Constitution to stymie an expected Supreme Court defeat.
Another (final) conclusion ??
Will this controversy every reach a conclusion? Not as long as bigots remain bigots, haters remain haters, and religion is still in existence.
In June of 2015 the supreme court made their decision that same sex marriages would be legal and the "law of the land". One would think that this would have ended the controversy. But we soon found otherwise with the likes of the conservative movement condemning the supreme court's decision. The reason for this condemnation was of course that the supreme court did not find for the right of religions to continue their hate filled discriminatory practices. We saw how that turned out with their finding for Hobby Lobby's right to discriminate against people based on "religious" beliefs, and the dolt in Tennessee who refused to issue marriage licenses based on her ignorance of "religious intolerance". And now in January 2016 the bigots still cling to their misguided ignorance when the GOP presidential hopefuls condemn the supreme court and pledge to overturn their decision if they are elected to become the next President of the U.S.
So in view of these pledges this will undoubtedly not be the final conclusion after all. Only time will tell.
- Alabama Chief Justice Orders Judges To Enforce Ban On Same-Sex Marriage : The Two-Way : NPR
Despite a U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy S. Moore has instructed probate judges not to issue licenses to same-sex couples.
The drama continues in 2016
After the GOP presidential hopefuls have made their pledges to overturn the supreme court's ruling on same sex marriages, the individual GOP led states are beginning to weigh in on their own with attacks based on their own personal religious beliefs.
In January 2016 Alabama chief justice puts a halt to same sex marriages......(link provided to this article)
Of course this too will be overturned by the Fed SCOTUS - or will it? It is not over until the fat lady sings.......and i don't hear any fat lady singing today.
This country continues to wallow in religious ignorance and by virtue of their denial of basic human rights they are advocates of the terrorist group called ISIS that murders people for any reason they deem appropriate for their religious ignorant beliefs.
Is this the ultimate goal of U.S. conservatives as well?
We will just have to wait for that fat lady to start her final aria.
Let's all pray there will not be a need for another update on this matter ---
by: d.william 3/27/2013 - 2015 - 2016
Inequality in our laws. Discrimination at its worst.
© 2013 d.william