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The Yes and No to Illegal Immigration: California & Arizona

Updated on August 17, 2012

Two states with vastly different positions on illegal immigration from mainly Mexico. In Arizona, it is nyet, no. Plain and simple. Its governor has made it clear she is willing to face-off with President Obama in public and in private. Arizona has passed its own anti-illegal immigration laws that should a person be pulled over in a traffic stop, the police can request to see immigration documentation. If not, the officer can detain them and hand them over to ICE for resolution, right there and impound the car. Now, Arizona will not permit the Obama policy to take affect there allowing for those under 30, not citizens, but have lived in the US all their lives, graduated from high school etc., to obtain a two year visa. How this will actually occur, I have no clue. It sounds like political rhetoric to me. Those in AZ that obtain it will, what, still get detained by local police because they will not accept the exemption? What, once the illegal is handed over to ICE, a federal agency, the illegal who did get the exemption will just be released? Probably. I cannot see how AZ can win this in court.

California has 400,000 30 and under who probably qualify for the Obama policy. California has said, Si, Ja, Yes. The state, for good or bad, will issue drivers licenses to those who qualify after they receive work permits. AZ has refused to issue the same to those who qualify. All states have the right to issue the licenses, this is not a federal issue. Those that qualify will get a temporary legal resident for two years. Despite this, nearly all of California's population opposes to issuing a drivers license to illegals. The catch is, once a person qualified under the Obama policy change, the person will get a work permit and a SSN number that will prove they have legal residency. It does not make them a citizen.

But, I would think that many of the under 30 group already have a drivers license. Most teens are diving at some point before they graduate and nearly all are when in college. Since most of this group are really American in all ways but one-they were not born here- few would know this and presume they were born here.

I think there is a big difference between those who have lived here all their lives, have been in American schools and culture, have American accents and call America home than those who have not. That IS the distinguishing difference. These people had no choice as babies or toddlers when they first arrived, they just followed mom and dad. Their kids should get a break. The parents and others knowingly broke the law. For those who have been waiting and trying the legal method, it may seem unfair, but the situation IS not the same.


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      Old Poolman 5 years ago

      I could be wrong, but I believe they first ask for a Drivers License, and then any other form of Id if the individuals doesn't have one. Any person driving without a license and having no other form of ID is subject to arrest until their ID can be determined. This applies to you or I as well as anyone here illegally. I just don't see a problem with it as hardly a day goes by someone is not asking to see my ID for something or other.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Well, the dust is still settling in California about the driver license issue. As to benefits, it is a valid question and I do not know if this group can get new benefits or not. It is such a convoluted mess because immigrants come in all sorts of varieties. Police in Calif do not have the right to ask for immigration papers at a traffic stop, only drivers license. It think AZ allows for both. It seems the car would have to be impounded if there was no one else to drive it away after the detainment.

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      Old Poolman 5 years ago

      Perrya - Are you sure about Arizona's SB-1070 allowing Police to ask for immigration papers and impound the vehicle? I have read the entire bill several times and don't recall this being in there, but if it is, I stand corrected. It should also be noted that any Police Officer has the right to ask for some form of ID when they have stopped a vehicle or even an individual for good reason.

      I believe the main concern with the passage of this temporary immigration bill is the added costs it could suddenly impose upon any state. California is cash poor, and yet they welcome more individuals who will now be able to apply for certain entitlements. Prior to the passage of this bill, many of these same individuals could not apply for entitlements because they lacked the required ID. These added costs to any state could cause them serious financial issues as these come out of State funds, not Federal funds. Was any of this considered by the Feds when this bill was passed?

      This action by our Governor will again fuel the fires of accusations of Bigotry, Prejudice, Hatred, and many other names. Yet it was a Governor doing her job of protecting her State from a huge financial burden that was unplanned and un-budgeted. This is just my take on the situation, doesn't make it right, and doesn't make it wrong.