American milicias, the movement of Syrian rebelion.

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   It is what the French activist journalist Thierry Meyssan is asserting. The Americans, the Brits hidden behind the protective shield of NATO are massacring the Syrians! As we are leaving in peace, innocent people are dying because we decided so. What is our justification, now? Do we need to be physically attacked to understand their suffering? I am ashamed!

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      cydroposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The extent of American involvement depends on your news source.  I think it is likely that Americans will stay out of it as much as possible (I know, that's a bold assumption).
      
      The Syrian rebels, while at first unorganized, are receiving quite a bit of support from their Sunni neighbors.  They don't want NATO's help.
      The Assad regime is fighting for its life and their biggest ally, the Iranians, are in economic turmoil. 
      
      It's a fight that the Americans and British know
      a) would be unpopular at home
      b) would be unpopular in Syria
      c) probably doesn't even have to be fought for a beneficial (in NATO's view) outcome to occur

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   There are NO Syrian rebels, it is what I am saying! The U.S tried to infiltrate Syrian groups but failed. The Syrian population are attacked by private militias that are fighting against the people's will. If you remember well the escalation, Assad accepted changes to be made! Those militias are attacking tv antennas impeding real news to acceed Syrian households, misinforming local people with propaganda announcing the "defection" of embassadors, the capitulation of Assad!
   For real info, if it is your real concern, why not stepping out of American sources and venture in foreign ones : www.voltairenet.org?

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   Um, if there are no Syrian rebels, who is the Syrian government fighting?  The interview I saw suggested they were Syrians and they were rebelling.
   
   Yes, obviously there are US forces in Syria, this is not a secret.  I heard about it on the evening news a few days ago.

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   Private militias. Which channel is your source of info? The attack of Syria was planned before the Sept 11 event. This journalist is in Syria at the moment, and has firsthand information. He is an unwanted on the French soil because of his truths!

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   But private militias made up off Syrians, for the most part?
   
   I am happy to read you link, but to the actual story please.  I can't see anything relating to your claims on the front page.  Although I see plenty to suggest this is a news source I would trust even less than Fox and *much* less than BBC.
   
   I mean, this guy believes 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government and has made a number of other fairly wild claims.  I see no evidence he has ever been to Syria? Did I miss something?

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   The Syrian national counsel, the "Free Syrian army" are UNO puppets with at their head Abdel Basset Syda who is not famous for his democratic views! His obedience goes to Cheikh Adnan El-Arour whose objective is to overthrow Assad because of his alawite belief. Another islamic and authoritarian regime to be installed. It is a clan war! The people are not involved!

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   So you are taking the word of the Voltaire network on this, despite that fact that their Vice President is  a member of the Syrian Socialist National Party and their main journalist is a paranoid conspiracy theorist (he accuses other journos of being spies).
   
   Interesting choice. I don't think we are the ones falling for propaganda.
   
   But if you can link me to an actually first person report from Syria to support your theory, I will be happy to read it.

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   No, my source is Thierry Meyssan, the French journalist who revealed the September 11th imposture. What is your source? You did not answer yet?
   What does scare you, the fact that he is socialist? Where is the relevance? Either you are searching for the truth either you are not. It is clear that you are not then stop waisting my time and take refuge in your fairy tale world!

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   I am asking for a link to him saying that and presenting his evidence.  And, um, I'm a socialist.  I also like to see sources not just go on hearsay.
   
   My problem with him is that his organization appears to be funded by the Syrian government.  Which is a clear conflict of interest.
   
   And the BBC reports I saw, including direct interviews with combatants, documentations of mass graves and and filming of gun battles, was pretty convincing. As was the filming of the protests that started this whole thing with interviews showing normal Syrian people taking part.
   
   As I have said twice before , I will read whatever article you want to support your theory--just link me to it so I don;t have to sort through the entire website to find it.  What about that request is unclear?
   
   My main source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/syria as summarized here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17344858

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      maxoxam41posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Since when the BBC is independent? If I understand you well,  you are willing to believe the BBC (capitalistic) but no other sources? Shall I remind you that the british government is as much as involved as the American one! Considering this fact, how would you give credit to the BBC and not a more realistic and independent source? Meyssan fought to get his laurels as an independent journalist! He is the founder of the Voltaire network! It is time for free thinkers to look somewhere else for independent info!

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    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … ;aid=32351

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    That doesn't seem to me to say there is no popular uprising, or that interviews with protesters and rebels were fraudulent.
    
    There is a complex geo-political contest.  but there is also every sign of an uprising carried out predominantly by Syrian nationals who wish to overthrow the current regime--and for good reason.
    
    What will happen after that will be a bit of a mess. all things considered.  But people get to depose their government if they wish to.

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       maxoxam41posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       What about misinformation? Didn't Bush say that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Didn't the media follow and support him without checking the veracity of his "info"? Did the media report the reality or what your government wants you to hear?

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    maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

    It is interesting to notice that in the name of democracy, the only regimes installed by the Americans and the Brits are theocracies. Islamist governments.

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    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    Near all major news networks in the west are controlled by the empire including Al Jazeera.

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       maxoxam41posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Al Jazeera is Qatari. Qatar is American. Therefore its network is not independent.

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