Angela Merkel's intention is for EU to be federalised

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   innersmiffposted 12 years ago

   http://euobserver.com/institutional/118126
   
   The issue I want to bring up is the unfair treatment of Euro-sceptics from Pro-Eu-ers.
   
   We are often characterised as "Anti-Europe" which is in itself a loaded term as it connotes that we are somehow at odds with the other nations within Europe, which 99.99999% of the time is not true - we are simply opposed to the un-democratic, sovereignty-destroying political union, which is what the EU is/wants to be. We love Europe. Personally, I'd rather live on mainland Europe for the climate, culture and food.
   
   I so often here the argument that "The UK is part of Europe" - yes, I never said anything to the contrary, I simply don't want to be part of the EU.
   
   EU =/= Europe
   
   Repeat ten times.
   
   Anyway, with that off my chest, what do you make of this news?

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   CHRIS57posted 12 years ago

   To be frank, i think it is less and less important what the UK intends to do within or outside of the EU.
   If the UK remains in the EU27, that´s OK, just don´t complain so much. The EU is a union with its set of rules. So don´t question those rules all two minutes.
   If the UK takes a leave, also OK. My personal impression is that this would leave the UK in a much weaker situation. Just look at the deteriorating economic situation of the US in a changing world. The UK is just a tiny island with low productivity. Take a look at big brother US and find out the taste of lone wolf future.
   To give this a more drastic expression: If the UK were part of the EU17 (Euroland) then two letter would have to be added to PIIGS. The UK is not productive enough to keep up with northern Europe. It is only not so obvious because the UK is not part of the currency union.
   Sorry to say so.

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      CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Get the impression that you don't like us much?
      
      But the UK will be fine outside of the EU.
      
      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg … in-the-eu/

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         CHRIS57posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         All basic statements of UK politicians about issues with the Eurozone (EU17) are perfectly correct. No objection about that. I wished little G. had stayed out also.
         What i wanted to express is that time is running out for the UK to leave EU27. The UK is loosing its last economic teeths while barking and still thinks they can bite economically.
         Certainly Britain has a great history to be proud of. In that sense - question: What is the past of the Roman Empire worth for the future of Italy in the EU? Nothing.

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      innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What amazes me is that you're implying that the EU is somehow in a more stable economic position than the US - this is patently absurd. Greece looks like it's going to 'need' another bailout, and with Italy and Spain in precarious positions, the kitty is going to run out sooner rather than later. They can increase the kitty, but with this you're raising a moral question and you're also decreasing the productivity of those countries who contribute to it - this is true as we have to assume that all tax proceeds come from already productive sources. It's going to collapse, and most likely what will happen is that the Euro-Marxists will argue that the EU wasn't strong enough, and propose federalisation. Of course, this was always the intention - create the problem, shape the reaction to that problem, and propose the solution. PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION
      
      The UK has more than enough industry to survive on its own - we have a large financial sector and a growing computer technology sector. I would argue that we would be in an even better position without the EU than we are now, because we would have more control over our regulations and hopefully relieve some so as to stimulate growth. More obviously, we won't be shipping our money off to the EU to get nothing back in return. We do not want to be tied to the unsustainable economic system

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   2uesdayposted 12 years ago

   Unfortunately like several other countries, the UK is one of the members of the EU that pays in more money than it gets out.   I am pleased we never signed up to the same currency; many Greeks and Italians hated it when they gave up their local currency to use the Euro.
   
   I have seen a couple of projects where EU money has been spent on joint EU projects in Greece. The standard of the work on some of the projects is mind boggling when compared to the amount of money paid out for the scheme. There are boards up saying the EU paid however many thousand Euros towards this scheme. I shake my head and walk away in amazement.  An example is a concrete pathway painted red and edged with  something that looked like breeze blocks and even a school child would have tried to cement them together in a better fashion. At the start is a wooden structure that looks like a garden pergola and following the path along the coast it sort of fades out in the middle of nowhere.

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      CHRIS57posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We could start a discussion on how effectively money is used in government or EU-administration funded projects. It doesn´t lead anywhere.
      If the UK is net payer, then why is the UK not trying to actively shape the union? And actually that is what Merkel´s Germany is doing, trying to shape the EU (to be alike G.)

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   EmpressFelicityposted 12 years ago

   The EU was ALWAYS about a federal European state, right from the start.

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   CMHypnoposted 12 years ago

   Well it looks like it is not only the UK that is digging its heels in about chucking further billions into the bottomless pit that is called the EU budget.  And the EU accounts have not been signed off again!
   
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … tfall.html

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   I was a pro-Europe, a pro-Euro. I changed my mind given that personal interests prevail over the people's. It is impossible to manage Europe, the way America is managed. We forgot that the US has the same people, the same language, the same history, culture...
   Merkel was the one who put pressure on Greece. Enough of the diktats of richer countries over less advantaged!

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