Punishment Is Not Harsh Enough in Emerging Countries

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   ocbillposted 10 years ago

   Just 4 weeks after a brutal rape, it happens again. http://news.yahoo.com/6-arrested-rape-b … 24392.html
   
   Like some comments, I believe the U.S. needs to pressure India and other countries into harsh prison time for rapists. Afghanistan has routinely treated women unfairly and now the public worldwide is aware it is occurring in India as well.  I have also seen this happen in the news in So. America but many young women stay silent.
   
   The U.S. should lower the visa approval ratios and trading they do with countries when the crime does not equal the punishment served. And vice versa. FWIW, I am a guy and I think of my younger sister, nieces, or daughter when this happens.
   
   Here's an excerpt of a different case, "Also on Saturday, police arrested a 32-year-old man for allegedly raping and killing a 9-year-old girl two weeks ago in Ahmednagar district in western India, the Press Trust of India news agency reported. Her decomposed body was found Friday.
   
   Police officer Sunita Thakare said the suspect committed the crime seven months after his release from prison after serving nine years for raping and murdering a girl in 2003, PTI reported Sunday".
   
   Politicians are calling for tougher laws right now. If you can declare war on terrorists from being pressured by the U.S. and the G7 and make laws in a day or two, why would this take so long? It is terrorism and the U.S. does not support terrorists, right?

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      jandeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      How do we know that these incidents we are  reading about are truths?
      Very convenient if they are in the lands that the US are opposed to!
      Maybe it would be better to give a hand in the soup kitchens..............

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         psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         They are being reported by reputable media.  And, frankly, in what country does rape and murder not happen?  It is sadly ubiquitous.

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   diogenesposted 10 years ago

   In general terms, it might be better if we refrained from sticking our noses into other nations affairs as much as we do.  That is, until we can sort out our own messes.  Gun crime in the United States is shocking the whole world and nothing the US advises others to do can have much weight until this is seriously addressed.
   The gap between the haves and have nots in Britain, and the shocking behavior of banks, etc., is a disgusting example of capitalism at its worst and we should address these wrongs in this nation before telling others what to do - and so on...
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      ocbillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Stay on MY topic please. If you want to talk about something else why not start it up on your own thread.  Thanks
      
      PS: Moderator action is appreciated

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I found his post to be on topic.
         
         The point is, that you are asking America to demand that other countries follow our way of life; that we be the moral policeman of the world.
         
         When you state that women are treated "unfairly" that is a very accurate statement, according to our mores and society, but it is terribly inaccurate in the views of the country in question.  That treatment is not only reasonable and expected, it is (in the middle east) the will of God.
         
         We are held accountable all over the world for using our might and power to enforce our will on other nations and other peoples are disgusted and dismayed by it (as are our own citizens), yet here you are asking for more of the same. 
         
         I can only repeat that we are NOT the moral policeman of the world and need to keep our noses out of other nation's business.  You don't like it; don't buy Indian goods, but don't ask America to step in and enforce our morality on other nations.
         
         Finally, I might add that in a nation with 3X our population you will find people that will commit horrible actions, exactly as you do here.  Rapes and murders are probably as common in the US (per capita) as they are in India.  Better take on our own problems before we declare another nation to be immoral and terrible.

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      WriteAngledposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed 100%

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         jandeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Agreed another 100%

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   A Driveby Quipperposted 10 years ago

   It is not our job.

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   ocbillposted 10 years ago

   @ Driveby Quipper
   yet we still invade Iraq, Afghanistan, soon Mali, patrol the seas for pirates, allow Mexican drug war lords now in our borders in small towns in (Texas and AZ)
   
   I am not saying to go look for terrorists or occupy it like they did in Afghanistan but at least don't look the other way.
   If their population was just 50,000 it is still heinous.
   Fortunately, we don't have outlandish acts of rapes on public buses.
   
   From your perspective, I guess we should look the other way and not say anything UNTIL, your relative or friend is raped in India. Then it becomes a national outcry? Typical American fashion, don't fix it until it happens. Now, I can segue into the 1st reply. Don't fix gun availability until a massacre happens, don't fix the bank crisis until it happens.
   
   If you are considered a world peace leader you are expected to do or say something.  We did for the 14 yr old Afghanistan girl who was shot by the Taliban. Yes, India should be able to handle its own affairs but 2 of the same incidents in 1 month? Their system is begging and needs advice or tougher trade laws to get them to do something.
   
   So, it i alright that we trade with countries that support terrorists and fraud but not insist on them changing their crimes against women? I hope a female friend or relative of yours does not travel to a country with male favored rape laws.
   
   Yes we should take care of our home first, always, and make laws that prevent this from happening here, so far, so good. We have done that.  I am not a police officer but I am very adamant in punishing those who hurt innocent people, especially rapists. I am slightly biased since it happened to a relative of mine in the U.S. I guess it was just a population thing so it was bound to happen. OK, well, but not in a store at gunpoint.

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      WriteAngledposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Considered so by whom?
      
      I think you will find the majority of world citizens have a somewhat different opinion.

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      A Driveby Quipperposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Who is we? You are not an American.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Nine years is a lot more than Casey Anthony got.
   
   In general if you want to suggest their penalties are lighter than ours, I suggest showing some data to support that. I am not sure it is the case as similar scenarios also occur in the US.

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   ocbillposted 10 years ago

   @A Driveby Quipper - So when do I need to prove to you that I am or not ? How do I know that you are not an immigrant?
   
   @WriteAngled, Very good point  the U.S. has fallen in many categories.
   
   Psycheskinner, also a good point. However, that is what I would still recommend be done here and there if it is light. I don't know Punjabi and their other languages and some cases may be sealed so data will be trivial. Don't elect me sheriff

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      psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The data will most likely be public record, aggregated at the national level. Or you could look at the range of penalties available for the crime which would show India includes the death penalty and the US does not.
      
      But failing that you could just explain why you made the assumption in the first place if you haven;t seen any data. You think one case is representative of a country?

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      A Driveby Quipperposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You don't need to prove anything. I already know.

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         ocbillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         A driveby quipper.  well you are quite the sharp pencil aren't you? I guess you know the school I went to, my parents, what car I drive, etc.
         
         psycheskinner, OK. then enllighten me on the U.S. laws for rape and murder of a child. Is it 9 years, 15, 5 on average.
         I am sorry but I do think 9 years is a light sentence for rape and murder anywhere.

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            A Driveby Quipperposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            See what I mean? An American wouldn't say that.

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               ocbillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               anything constructive to add to the forum driveby (such a smart username BTW)    You still have not proven anything quipper?  run out of things to say (or write LOL ) You come to ol' Texas and say that you are as good as roadkill.

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                  A Driveby Quipperposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I did say something constructive. Why worry about India? It's not our job. How about Sudan?

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                     ocbillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I know other countries need help too.  If it happened in Sudan , Phillipines, Canada, Mexico, ask them too. I could care less which country it is , the point is rape and murder should be harsh punishment. It was in the news so I am looking for a solution.  As I mentioned I am biased because my sister was raped and I have been pi$$ed ever since at rapists.
                     And don't question my being American. I served this country and now am a product of the VA healthcare system.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Also in the US.  Look at some of the sentences given here.  They are no better.

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   diogenesposted 10 years ago

   If that remerk was addressed to me, ocbill, read your own article again and then tell me I was not addressing at least part of your concerns.
   diogenes

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   whoisitposted 10 years ago

   The United States has no business telling other countries how to handle their criminals.

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      psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No one posting here is "the United States".

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