What I find interesting about this whole situation is that the positions I would expect to be espoused by one party are done by the opposite! And yes, I know Phll Robertson's suspension has been lifted.
Conservative's arguments go something like this.
1. Absolute freedom of religion is constitutional.
2. Firing/suspending someone for religious speech violates their absolute freedom of religion.
3. Therefore, firing/suspending someone for religious speech is unconstitutional.
4. A&E fired/suspended Phil Robertson for religious speech.
4. Therefore, A&E violated Phil Robertson's freedom of religion.
Or, an alternative reading would include freedom of speech instead of freedom of religion. There's also questions about the ABSOLUTE nature of conservative's claims, but I'm not going to pursue that here, because the way the majority of conservatives are defending this seems to be in the absolute sense. I wonder if conservatives would be okay with a liberal who works for a corporation (who does his or her job well) standing up and saying the corporation is immoral and everyone should unionize to balance the power, basing his beliefs on his interpretation of the bible?
Now to liberals.
1. Corporations have the right to set any policy they want that doesn't violate the law.
2. Firing/suspending people for speech a corporation deems "hateful" or "unproductive" doesn't violate the law (strong property rights!).
3. Phil Robertson was fired/suspended for speech a corporation (A&E) deemed "hateful" or "unproductive."
4. Therefore, A&E had a right to fire/suspend Phil Robertson.
The interesting thing about the liberal defense is that it is mired in a very strong version of property rights. Liberals like myself are always lamenting how immoral corporations are, but many on my side have consistently used this argument in debates with conservatives about Phil Robertson.
What say you?
Im sorry, we've exceeded the Phil Robertson threads for this week. You're in direct violation to the +5 Phil Robertson threads per forum per week. Something will have to be done about it.
Lol. I didn't see anyone else doing anything except summarizing the story.
Oh, well don't worry about it. This will probably be the one that makes it as the break out thread.
Just because the idea of corporations having absolute say is repugnant and disgusting, it doesn't change the fact that they do. Rules are rules.
Not to mention it is highly amusing for those rules to backfire and make an example of a person who is equally repugnant and disgusting.
(But then A&E caved in to the brain-dead redneck demographic and hired him back on, and now my dream of trash like Duck Dynasty being jettisoned from the airwaves has been trampled.)
"caved in to the brain-dead redneck demographic (with bulging wallets) and hired him back on."
Yep, and they will do so every time. Money talks.
You can always watch that half-witted liberal troll called Bill Maher, unless HBO has suspended him because of his intolerance towards people of religion.
PR was put off for the same reason we have pointless Holy days in December. Holiday is derived from the word holy. Someone with legal knowledge wrote a complaint; usually those complaints are received with fear,acted swiftly upon, (remove the offender) nothing is ever heard of the offender or the complainer again. Phil is the 1st person to stand on his convictions in a long long time. He is a gentleman, a family man, and successful businessman. The complainers have become accustomed to having their way. Phil supprised them. He has a masters degree in English. He seldom if ever uses poor grammar.
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