Osama Bin Laden Is Dead: Really?

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   wrenchBiscuitposted 11 years ago

   
   Politicians have a reputation for being shady. Watergate,Slick Willie,Marion Barry,Eliot Spitzer,Anthony Weiner etc. So please excuse me for being skeptical,but I still have a hard time believing that Bin Laden was killed by Navy Seals in 2011.Here's why: His father,  Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden is supposed to be a billionaire.It only follows that a billionaire would have a lot of friends who were also millionaires and billionaires.Right? On top of that, Osama was portrayed as being  very popular in the Middle East.And let's not forget that he was also supposed to be the head of one of the most violent terrorist organizations in the world: al-Qaeda.
   
   Taking all these facts into consideration, it doesn't seem likely that a man with such means and public support; in his own home territory; the alleged mastermind of 911,would be so careless and unprepared that a handful of Navy Seals could waltz right in and take him out so easily. And keep in mind,that's only after the helicopter is supposed to have crashed inside the compound, making a godawful noise that could have been heard a mile away.What really blows my mind is that I watched President Obama on TV; standing there with a straight face selling this story to the world.
   
   If my father was a billionaire and I was the most wanted man in the world, I would have 24/7 video surveillance,attack dogs,a small army of armed guards,radar; even a police scanner! I would have spared no expense; even Jodie Foster had a Panic Room! This is why it seems more like a lie than the truth.It just doesn't add up.My theory comes in two parts: Either Bin Laden and al-Qaeda were an invention of the US government that never truly existed,or Bin Laden made a deal to  become invisible.I have provided a photo that depicts what Bin Laden might look like today; after undergoing plastic surgery to conceal his identity.

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      rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if he is alive or not but to make a claim that he was captured or killed should have come with some sort of proof from a third party. We got to see Saddam Hussein hung as proof but the excuse that the Arab world would be mighty upset if our military paraded his body around as proof is awfully lame. How upset would they be? Maybe they would increase the IAD's or ambushes? Maybe he is dead and maybe we killed him but to believe this in light of the spying efforts underway I find it hard to trust of believe or trust anything coming out of the government nowadays.

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         wrenchBiscuitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Good point about Hussein.I am ex-military and what I have seen on the "inside" and the "outside" has made a believer out of me.I don't trust anything that comes out of Washington.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And your barbed wire enclave, attack dogs and hundreds or armed guards make a magnificent target for an armed drone.  Or a group of Apache helicopters.
      
      Did you think of that - that advertising the location of the most wanted man on the planet just might not be the best way to keep him alive when he has a whole army after him?

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   wrenchBiscuitposted 11 years ago

   First of all,you are answer indicates that you believe Bin Laden was real.In that case,you are then assuming that an alleged  terrorist; the son of a billionaire; would think and reason the same way as me; a musician that makes $300.00 a gig on a good day.
   
   Secondly,according to the reports,there "was not" an army of armed guards waiting for the Seals ,only a few residents of the compound.And no one reported seeing a police scanner or attack dogs.Thirdly,I failed to point out that the compound was within walking distance from the Kakul Military Academy, the country’s premier military academy.Ali Soufan, a veteran former FBI counterterrorism agent, noted that the compound is located in a town heavily populated by current and former Pakistani military officers – and is relatively free of any terrorist activity. “There’s no way he could have been sitting there without the knowledge of some people in the ISI and the Pakistani military," said Soufan.
   
   Finally,he could have used his money to change his appearance (as I so deftly illustrated above) and openly hide somewhere in Hoboken New Jersey; playing golf and singing karaoke on the weekends.Wilderness, You could be absolutely right.It's possible he was killed,but highly improbable.I have found that in life,fairy tales often don't come true.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Bin Laden was a real person, with a real connection to terrorism.
      
      Your point that there was no attack dogs, etc. perfectly agrees with what I said; such things would make a very nice target for a drone strike, so don't have them.  Massive defensive projects, when your maximum is pitifully few compared to the force against you, is contra-indicated.  "Hiding" in full sight is likely to be the best answer, and indeed it did work for a long, long time against all the money and efforts of the US.
      
      Sorry, but putting up a picture of some woman does NOT "deftly illustrate" what he could do to change his appearance.  Bin Laden could do nothing but a beard and a little makeup; it takes a major medical facility to accomplish what you are insinuating (although I do not believe that could be done, either), and that facility was not available to him.
      
      Maybe he was killed, maybe not.  Either way, there has been no evidence for a long time that he is planning further attacks on the US, and that's what interest me.  Dead or alive, he appears to be out of the picture.

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         wrenchBiscuitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sorry Wilderness,but I can't resist.
         
         Words and Definitions 101: "Deftly" is basically defined as " a quick and skillful action". Unless you are psychic,how could you possibly know how quickly and skillfully I was able to find an appropriate  picture of Vivian Leigh on the internet, import it into Photoshop, and then decide what filter to use in altering the photo? I completed the task of research and editing in less than 5 minutes.Without out the "skill" and knowledge of navigating the internet, as well as my skill as a graphic editor,I could not have completed the task so quickly.In no way  did I indicate that my photo was an "accurate" representation.
         
         As far as access to medical facilities: If you are a billionaire,Mohammed doesn't have to go to the mountain; the mountain comes in a cargo jet,followed by medical staff and technicians.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            ???  I quoted you in "deftly".  What I think of how "deft" you were in finding the picture has nothing to do with anything and I did not so present it.  I only indicated that I do not believe it is anything Bin Laden could do.
            
            Right - the hospital is moved to him.  Deep in the cave, where he can undergo the knife for days on end without being bothered by SEAL's, bombs or anything else.  Gotcha.

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