WTF is going on at Fort Hood?

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   lorlie6posted 10 years ago

   5 years ago psychiatrist Nadal murdered folks there in '09, then today, a soldier suffering from PTSD went on a rampage before killing himself.
   Really disturbing to me...what do you gather from these killings at the same fort?

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It's in Oregon.
      
      Case closed.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         ???  Fort Hood is in Texas, near Waco.

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I live in Oregon, it's practically next door.
            
            You might be thinking of Fort Worth (or something like that?)
            
            I'll go check.

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Ok, I was totally off on that. I was thinking Mt. Hood.
            
            Feeel stupid now....

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I was going for the constant rain excuse for Oregon. That will drive anyone mad.
            
            I guess I can't do the same for Texas.

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                 Don't feel too bad - I had the same first thought but then decided to look it up.  Mt. Hood was on my mind, too - I've driven by that beauty too many times to forget about it.

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                  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Are you an Oregonian? I though for some reason you were British:) Maybe that's Rad Man or someone else.

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            lorlie6posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Great point, wilderness...I suppose Waco is near Wacko. Heheh

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         lorlie6posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think so, j6.

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I already figured that one out, with a little help.
            
            Still, it is a little weird, like you think, that this would happen twice in such a short period of time. The world is crazy these days.

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               lorlie6posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               No kidding...what's next?  Jeeze, with all the gangland junk, school shootings, movie massacres ad infinitium,, this human race is pretty much going downhill.

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The last I heard he had not been diagnosed with PTSD - just was being checked for it.

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   janesixposted 10 years ago

   With places like Dismal Nitch, Cape Disappointment, and Boring, what do you expect?

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      lorlie6posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Amazing names for towns, j6!  Unbelievable...

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   vrbmftposted 10 years ago

   War is ugly.  If anyone has any questions about that, check out the movie, "Harrison's Flowers."  There are NO good or just wars.  Some folks think WWII was a "good" war.  But check out this article on suicide rates in WWII (yes, WWII) veterans.
   http://newamericamedia.org/2010/11/suic … s-show.php
   
   To train for war. one crosses a line.  The line is "civilized."  In fact, one of the definitions of peace is civilized!  So to go to war, well, to train for war, I cross the line of "civilized" to "uncivilized," and it's not easy to cross back over.  It is a long and painful journey.  As a society, we still don't get it and politicians don't want to get it because war is big money.  BIG MONEY.  So, as a society, in the name of Democracy or Freedom, we continue to sacrifice our sons and daughters to the gods of war. 
   
   There is no need for a 75 person panel to study this rampage.  It is just simple.  That soldier did exactly what he was trained to do, KILL.
   
   Folks like to point to dictators like Hitler and justify WWII.  We need to be students of history, folks, and if you know our history, Hitler was a direct result of the allies need to OVER punish Germany after WWI.  And, of course, no one wants to look at some of the other oddities of WWII, for example, an American Bank and other companies and groups doing business with Hitler including those of Jewish heritage who helped produce films for Hitler to promote his brand of patriotism.
   
   I don't blame or judge any of those folks, but it is interesting!  So to sum it up, WAR AND THE REMNANTS OF WAR are ALL uncivilized and UGLY and INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   I am not sure twice is a pattern. 
   
   It is should be noted that the rate of violent crimes in the US has been declining for decades.  Despite what the media might say.
   
   Per capita US murder rate
   
   1980     10.2
   1981     9.8
   1982     9.1
   1983     8.3
   1984     7.9
   1985     7.9
   1986     8.6
   1987     8.3
   1988     8.4
   1989     8.7
   1990     9.4
   1991     9.8
   1992     9.3
   1993     9.5
   1994     9.0
   1995     8.2
   1996     7.4
   1997     6.8
   1998     6.3
   1999     5.7
   2000     5.5
   2001     5.6
   2002     5.6
   2003     5.7
   2004     5.5
   2005     5.9
   2006     6.1
   2007     5.9
   2008     5.4
   2009     5.0
   2010     4.8
   2011     4.7
   2012     4.7

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You're right. Twice really isn't much of a pattern, is it.
      
      That's nice that the murder rate is declining. I wouldn't have suspected that.

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   Angela Blairposted 10 years ago

   Fort Hood is actually very close to Killeen, Texas -- and yes, Waco is in that general vicinity. I live 30 miles from Ft. Hood.  100,000 people live and work on that base and many of the soldiers have served several hitches in war zones. Some mental problems are to be expected. That was, however, not the case in this instance. The shooter was being tested for mental problems when this event happened --  he had NOT been diagnosed. The Killeen news says he got mad about only getting one day's leave to attend a funeral, went home, got the gun, came back and started shooting. As this is the second instance of a shooter randomly killing folks  in the largest army installation in the U.S. it makes one wonder who's on watch? Those of us who live in the area are very distressed -- it took five years to convict the first shooter. The second, recent shooter shot himself. No matter how one views it, it's a tragedy.

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      vrbmftposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Just a comment!  A diagnosis does not mean anything except that whatever you "have"  the treatment is now qualified to be paid for by a third party!  A person does not HAVE depression or bipolar.  A person presents a set of symptoms and those symptoms then are put into a box or a classification referred to as a diagnosis.  Diagnoses are very dangerous in that they are often inaccurate or often NOT given for any number of reasons.  For a long time (up until 2010), the solider him or herself had to prove the incident that caused the PTSD, for example, even though the diagnosis had already been given by a medical doctor.  Do you think we will ever hear the real story?  A Veteran's Affair social worker said on NPR yesterday that there was no connection between the man's time in Iraq and the shootings.  So we just glaze over the effects of combat training which takes one to a place in one's soul where you have to choose to cross a line, and it is very difficult to come back across whether or not you ever see actual combat.  Whatever story we hear is going to be sure to make the soldier out to be a complete whack job so no one has to take any responsibility for the fact that we train soldiers to kill.

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