"Due to the recent tragedy in SC. People in government are coming together against a flag that has a negative and disgusting past.
Native Americans have the same feelings about the American flag.
As African Americans feel about the confederate flag."
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti … tates-flag
(Some other Islam dude is calling for the removal of the American flag too.
Apple removed all Wargame apps that had the rebel flag in it.)
Good luck with that one.
Okay fine. You have that right to challenge it. What would you replace it with? You're chances of success are slim to none, however, who would of thought 10 years ago that same sex marriage would be the law of the land?
If you have enough money these days you can replace just about anything.
You may have missed my point. I have no problem with the American flag and find the idea of replacing it as ludicrous as the majority of Americans would. "Good luck with that" was sarcasm.
However, if we did replace it I think the 'Don't tread on me' flag would garner my vote.
This posting is just exactly what's wrong in America today . So many people just don't love their country , this country . I truly believe in one old saying that's speaks volumes to SOME of the people in America today . " If you don't stand FOR something -You will Fall for anything !
How you can turn a rebel flag that stands for a part of this country that apparently forgot to surrender a hundred and fifty years ago , -into an all out rant against the American flag is beyond me ! My suggestion , if you don't love America there are what 180 some odd OTHER countries for you to go to and make your home . And don't get me wrong I don't feel anger , I just feel that I understand the liberal" free range" mindset of last fifty years , completely! .
If you are Native American , then you either have your own reservation here where you can fly your own flag , or you live in America where you don't get to dictate that wish !
Wow , No love for country .
I really understand the post as have we no shame more than for want of loving the country. If you wish to bury your head in the traditional history books about the folklore and doctored reasoning's then I can totally understand your outrage about this. If you want to say stop history here and lets proceed from this point in time that is your prerogative. But to tell the Indians to either stay on "their" reservation and fly a flag of their choosing and forget about all the land that was forcibly taken from them flying a flag that reminds them of this is shameful to say the least. America has a convenient memory as well as amnesia.
I know very well my history , the US. history AND a lot of Native American history , Lets take a look at world history ! Have you ever seen a nation "give back " to the indigenous peoples that were there first .....Anything ? Or should I say , Have you ever seen a country more accepting of assimilation of any and all peoples ,than America ? If one is a native in America , he pretty much has a head start on a lot of things in life ....If he so choses to use it .
I'm guessing here but I don't believe America ever will , ever should , or ever should even think about giving it all back . In fact I'm not even sure anyone who calls for it is living in the real world !
Last I read the native americans didn't mind taking land from each other either; when it suited them. So, we'd have to find someone to sort it out and figure out who lived where first.
Who said anything about reparations? It is funny how taking that stance can be an indication of the guilt associated with it. It is also an admission that an indigenous people were over run and wronged. That was my point in the first place with regards to the American flag. This country has been involved in so many underhanded and dirty deals including murder, murder attempts on foreign leaders, overthrowing governments and installing dictators and fighting wars for profit disguised as moral or in our best interests for years. We even start wars to achieve our goals or dominance and profit.
With regards to the Indians this is just another thing where America likes to sweep the past under the carpet and beat their chest with pride over something they understand as a lie.
If "We native Americans were going to demand", Anything . We might demand answers to real and honest questions of our own making !
For instance ,why the alcoholism , drug addictions , child mortality , extreme poverty , of it's own peoples , graft and corruption from within many Indian official offices , why gambling and gaming is their "new ' economy , , why gas exploration , oil exploration , uranium mines , open pit coal mines --all of this is their basic economic contribution to their own peoples ? ALL OF THIS FROM what amounts to mostly sovereign countries within that of America ?
Seems to me they might have assimilated and gotten better from America , FOR THIER OWN CHILDREN .
And this is all the best they can come up with for economic growth and" a much emphasized "spiritual connection to our earth" ?
I doubt all Native Americans feel that way about the American flag. However those who wish to ban it should start in their own communities by ceasing to sell fireworks on the fourth of July. See if that doesn't go over like a turd in a punch bowl.
But since we're on the subject of flag banning I've got a proposal;
How about banning this banner of death...
I looked at that petition. So far, only 13 people have signed it.
Actually each Native American Tribe has its own flag. You can see many of them here by clicking on a Tribe name:
I think opposing the confederate flag is all about loving the country, and opposition the pro-segregation weirdos who picked this one obscure banner (it's not even the main confederate battle flag) to use in their fight against civil rights in the 1960s..
Opposition to the national flag is limited to a few loonies and radicals, and a few people just trying to make a point about how the national that uses it has screwed them over..
"Opposition to the national flag is limited to a few loonies and radicals, and a few people just trying to make a point about how the national that uses it has screwed them over."
Good point! No it isn't!!!!!!!! How easily you tread on the rights and property of others and label them loonies and radicals. Remember a few radicals that had a little uprising over some taxes and waged a war to not pay them? Many thought they were loonies and wanted no part of it. You should read up on Andrew Jackson and his treatment of the Indians before you make this your rationale.
Well, since we are going to ban all things offensive and racist by any and all definitions. I hereby demand that all roads, highways, buildings, monuments or any other such structures bearing the name of Senator Robert C. Byrd (D) West Virginia be removed immediately.
Sen. Byrd was not only a member of the KKK but a leader of that racist organization for many years. He recruited many new members to the KKK and is directly responsible for the actions those members took on behalf of this racist group, including racially motivated killings and lynchings of black people in West Virginia and other states.
He was the Democrat Senator from West Virginia for over 50 years and I am deeply offended that he was not removed from office for his racist past. His racist views are and were well known and documented.
It is a travesty that he was allowed to serve so long as the Democrat Senator from West Virginia, even holding many leadership positions with in the US Senate, and was not held accountable for his racist past.
Could it be the petition was created as a distraction and a division to cover up covert military operations?
Maybe after all , banning anything like 'burning the books " is simply a movement of naiveté , a "feel good "moment for a collective guilt complex by all of us? Sometimes these forums might as well be the whole image of America's facebook mentality . A huge public forum , a bathroom wall if you will , where anyone of us can scratch our porn message on the fresh paint and get away with it , before returning to our measly , pitiful "normalcy" !.
Banning anything is about as helpful to humanity as turning our collective faces away from the NEXT Dyllin Roof , the next Lee Harvey Oswald , the next Jeffrey Dolmer , There is , after all , NOTHING we can do about real psycho's , thereIS probably one born every hour .
So , scratch away people !
"So , scratch away people !"
This is what makes America great and makes me glad I live here. We get to say what is on our minds without fear of reprisal for our right to say it. Even if it may sound less than intelligible or if it comes from a place of anger or fear it is what we have a right to do. I think because we can and do have the conversation it makes us stronger in our beliefs and unites us in understanding each other better.
I was just about to post a new thread , Rant's - Raves and Reasons , something about how when we ask a question or post a new topic , we've already realized our own answers and that we only ask in order to proudly fan the fires of our differences . That's more like what I see happening here most times .
There are so many writing ,reaction--ists here in forums , A lot of threads , forums , questions are tainted by the design and THIS is simply just one more of them. so much so I doubt seriously that if any such thing as a poll were taken by Native Americans , that there could be much interest in the removal of the American Flag - AND from where do they remove it from , ? Do you remove it from the reservations , where I doubt it flies anyway- given they are generally sovereign countries within America and have their own flag .? Do you wish to remove the flag of another country from their own soil , No . Do you wish to remove a Navajo flag from say Kyenta Arizona , a town within the Reservation , no , I doubt it . This entire thread is getting boring , Nothing but child like reactionist's
I don't see such high amounts of social-maturity in a topic like this .
From what I have been hearing from Native American people who I have known for many, many moons, they are not in agreement of this petition.
Native Americans are some of the most patriotic people I known. Because of that, I believe a few were involved in this petition and have brought disgrace to Nationhood. It sounds like a paid commercial at the White House level.
We should all forget about the past and move on to growing more respect for all people in every community.
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