Jeb Bush Wants to End Medicare

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   Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years ago

   Bush said the Medicare system will not work indefinitely. Yet the cost per person for Medicare has not risen since 2009. What do you think?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QmqJmfvPs

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not surprising, coming from the guy that said we all need to work longer hours. Just another example of politicians thinking we exist to take care of the government. Any thought of the government having programs that benefit the people is, of course, an abominable thought.

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      rhamsonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Of course he wants to end Medicare. What could the corporations do with the matching taxes they pay on payroll. Pocket it of course. Once again a greedy grab for profits at the expense of the middle class.

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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         What would the people do with the matching taxes they pay on payroll?  Pocket it of course - greed will always have that result.

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            rhamsonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for adding to the mix. My point was that by terminating the Medicare program the employer share that business's are required to match in deductions would be eliminated. Then business could carry on as usual with sub standard wages that cannot afford healthcare while the employer pockets it as profit.

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               Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Wow, I had not thought of that one!

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         Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, Jeb Bush is mostly about greed and corporate entitlement.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            He has to be loyal to those who put him where he is. Not to the people who worked hard all their life thinking … trusting … not realizing they were only gambling.
            
            Save yer own money for yer own stuff I say!  No more to the Fed!

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               Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

               And you can realistically save enough money for the cost of even the more moderate operations as a senior. REally, are you from Mars or Venus?

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I am from the realm of self discipline, planning ahead, focus, concentration, future orientation and success orientation.
                  We can all be, but it takes fathers helping their daughters and mothers helping their sons.
                  And fathers helping their sons and mothers helping their daughters.
                  And grandparents can step in once in awhile too with valuable financial wisdom.
                  Fish have fins, martians have magic forefingers and humans have brains.
                  Maybe we are just now starting to be able to use them (brains) fully.
                  I have faith.

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                     Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     That all sounds good but..... that is wishful thinking with the costs of things today, come on.... We don't need wisdom, we need cash that pays the over $100k for the quadruple bypass surgery.  If everybody could just save their nickels and dimes, there would be no need for Medicare, yeah Right. It should be Jeb Clampett, not Bush, who would be dumb enough to propose such a thing as  eliminating Medicare.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        EAT RIGHT (and exercise)
                        Do you know how much junk food people eat? (and spend money on)
                        Do you see how rotund they are getting?
                        They should be saving their money, not eating it.

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                           Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           There is your simple solution to rising infirmity associated with aging, and spirally costs that wipe families out.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Yep. the good habits must start in childhood though.
                              And the benefits are greater than bipasses and such.
                              How many seniors do you know who have never had one. me, plenty. My parents included.
                              My dad still power-walks and I can hardly keep up with him. He is 85.

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                                 Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 you are blessed to have strong parents all of us are not as fortunate. You cannot assume that your unique situations apply  to everyone.That is an error in logic that you make frequently. On line with the same discussion you were having with Quill regarding the ACA.  So, if everyone just eats their Wheaties in the morning, there would be no more need for doctors?

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                        Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        The average cost of Medicare per person is $12,000. That's not much higher than a high quality healthcare plan.

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      you are on point Mr. Kidd, just want to provide an excerpt or two from WSJ and Msnbc.
      
      Maybe the seniors might think at bit before sending the rallying cry "Get Your Government Hands Off of My Medicare", and see who 'real villain' is
      
      
      "Remember, Jeb Bush is the ostensible moderate candidate in the massive GOP presidential field. It says something important about Republican politics in 2015 when the most mainstream candidate is also the candidate who wants to scrap Medicare altogether."
      
      "The secret, apparently, was passing the Affordable Care Actt
      
      Before “Obamacare” was passed, Medicare was projected to face a serious fiscal shortfall in 2017. As of yesterday, Medicare trustees now believe the system is fiscally secure through 2030."
      
      So who disputes the data, and on what basis?
      
      "But Jeb Bush is under the impression that Medicare is, without a doubt, doomed, so we might as well get rid of the program now and see what Paul Ryan has in store for seniors in his far-right bag of tricks."

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         Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Absolutely. The "moderate Republican candidate," Jeb Bush, wants to scrap Medicare--because "it's doomed anyway."
         Yet Medicare is becoming more effective because of the new health guidelines emphasizing preventative care, electronically connecting all one's doctors so there's no conflict of treatment, and various other methods. Hence, the per patient treatment costs are not rising. How could privatizing Medicare beat that?

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   wildernessposted 7 years ago

   I suspect he'll have quite a fight on his hands - the mass of retirees that have already paid for that service through their life constitute a pretty big voting block.

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Right. The polls show that about 70% of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents do not want anything to interfere with the Medicare program.
      But isn't that obvious? Would you want to know that your children will not be taken care of in their old age? Sacking Medicare, rather than improving it, would guarantee that only the wealthy would have old age medical care in the future.

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Here is what the Republicans plan for Medicare.
   http://tomgraves.house.gov/legislation/ … efacts.htm
   
   Its Obamacare that has drained Medicare.
   "In order to pay for President Obama's $2.6 trillion health care law, Medicare has been stripped of $468 billion in funds.  To further save costs, Obamacare empowers a board of unelected bureaucrats to decide what treatments Medicare will cover.  Many refer to this as rationing health care."
   
   
   
   Um, the liberal media takes things out of context when it comes to what a Republican says, ... and that is what they did with Jeb Bush.  Hey, I don't like the guy, just saying. 
   http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/politics/ … hampshire/

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      People I know on Medicare get what they need. The new rules give them a yearly physical. This catches problems before they ruin someone's health.

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         colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         That is so true!  ("new rules" .... "new laws") 
         
         My Mom is on Medicare and so far she is getting what she needs to be able to live at home because it would be much more expensive for her to be in a nursing home.  She is right where she needs to be, home.

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            Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly. Isn't it wonderful that your mother is getting the medical help she needs at home.

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   promisemposted 7 years ago

   It's also possible that he said it because he wants to win over more conservative voters.
   
   National politicians make extremist statements long before the party convention and national election to reach the far right or far left.
   
   Then as the election grows near, they become central to reach the middle. It's all part of the game.
   
   I would be surprised if Jeb Bush really would kill Medicare.

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I first heard a Republican talk about ending Social Security in the 1970s.
      Now, I take Bush at his word that he would end Medicare. After all, he has said that he will not change his positions to win the primary. True to that vow Jeb has endorsed a path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants. That stirred up a roar against him from the reactionaries (the so-called conservatives).

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         promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I understand your reasoning and concern, but I think he would be crucified if he tried to kill it.
         
         Most level-headed members of both parties say one thing in public and negotiate another thing in private using small steps. That's how they are dealing with Social Security.

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            Dr Billy Kiddposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Small steps....very interesting analysis.

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