Romney-Ryan Ticket's anit-Medicare Budget: Will the affect your vote?

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   Dr Billy Kiddposted 11 years ago

   Mitt Romney endorsed House Budget Committee Chairman Ryan's 2013 budget. It calls for priviatizing Medicare. That would involve getting a voucher in the mail and then hunting down the best private healthcare policy you could find and applying the voucher to the premium. This would start with today's 55years-olds.
   
   For those 65 and over, it calls for ending Medicare and putting foks on Health Maintainence Organications (HMO) programs that will call the shots on your health care.
   
   Does this have much of an impact on how you'll vote in November?

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      habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You need to do some research. You're spreading what Factcheck called "Whopper of the Year." Here's what the Romney/Ryan plan really states:
      
      http://factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to- … are-claim/

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         Dr Billy Kiddposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If you believe the Ryan 2012 budget is any different than the 2011 that is fine. I'm just asking how it affects people's vote.
         
         The FactCheck deal, however, almost sounds like a straw horse to me--the 2012 plan is not the 2011 plan. What? We bought it a new dress? You know, making an elderly person wait until they are 67 for health care. Geez. That's in both plans.
         
         Both Ryan plans shift healthcare expenses to the elderly and to the infirm. The Congressional Budget Office has not said how much will be shifted by the 2012 budget, but a sizable amount. Let's see what that report says.
         
         Medicaid would be privatized, by giving states block grants, to give coupons to the infirm to give the insurance companies.
         
         It's kind of fun how Romney shifted the debate from Bain Capital and off-shoring to Medicare in one day. So this should be interesting seeing how the facts work out.
         
         So, I'm back to the same spot, simply asking what people think.
         
         Hey, if I'm wrong on any of this, call me out on it again.

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      HowardBThinameposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Just the implementation of Obamacare is going to allow the govt. to call the shots.
      
      The plan is already a failure as states are voting to opt-out of the Medicaid expansion.
      
      Now, we can just sit back and watch the sky fall.

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   screamingposted 11 years ago

   There's still uncertainty from your link as to what it would cost seniors? But it does say the private would be higher if I understood it right?

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      habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, but traditional Medicare would remain a choice - which I was worried about.

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         Dr Billy Kiddposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, my mother's doctor says she dies if she has to go on one of the Part C Medicare HMO programs. They simply would not cover her treatment. He said he hasn't see it yet, but regular Medicare it's standdard.
         
         I hope this doesn't make me too impartial to hear what people are saying here.

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   screamingposted 11 years ago

   Even the United States Conference of Catholic Biships said Ryans plan would take away benefits from the poor. Described by the Bishops as contrary to church teachings.

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      umbertoobrianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Who do you think is more likely to care what Catholic Bishops say about issues, Democrats or Republicans?  remember what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality and aborion - that should help with the answer.

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         54% of Catholics voted for Obama.

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            umbertoobrianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            non sequitor

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   Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

   So let me make sure I'm connecting the dots correctly here.
   Romney/Ryan repeal Obamacare.
   So it's back to "business as usual" in the health insurance market.
   Then Romney/Ryan change (I will not use the word privatize because it seems to make some people very defensive) Medicare.
   Instead of having all seniors enrolled in a government paid and administrered program, the Romney/Ryan plan doles out vouchers to the seniors to go and buy their own health insurance.
   
   Am I the only one seeing the humogous problem with that approach?
   With no Obamacare in place, the insurers will immediately go back to cherrypicking who they will or won't cover. As they do currently.
   No Obamacare means no requirement to accept patients with pre-existing conditions.
   And of course which population has the most pre-existing conditions?
   Bingo. Grandma and Grandpa.
   
   So anyone care to speculate as to which insurance companies are going to be jumping up and down to accept vouchers from seniors?
   

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      umbertoobrianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No One is forced off Medicare - at all, every time it is offered as fact it is a lie.
      
          "1. No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.
      
          2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.
      
          3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals. Is this “gutting Medicare” and “ending Medicare as we know it”? In reality, it’s the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option."
      http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/08/3-thin … 100-words/

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         Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting.
         I find it fascinating that the same people who have been screaming about Obama's Affordable Care Act are now using the exact same arguments they leveled against Obamacare to defend the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan.
         
         Substitute "health insurance" or "Medicaid" for "Medicare" in your argument below and you have Obamacare. Evil, horrible, gonna bankrupt the United States Obamacare.
         
         

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            Dr Billy Kiddposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Mighty Mom. That's interesting reasoning. If nothing's wrong with the R/R shift in health care (that ends Medicaid, also), then what's wrong with Obamacare, that cuts the inefficiencies out of Medicare?
            
            Still, for me, my mom's doctor said if she goes on Plan C, what others are calling Premium Support, she dies. They tell you what is covered--mom's stuff isn't--rather than go in for fee for service, which is what is keeping her alive. She's the old lady over the cliff in the comercial, for real..
            
            When I think of everyone moving onto this in 12+ years--so we can fund the private insurance company trough, I just don't think it's fair. Not when Ryan's budget ends taxes for capital gains. Makes Romney a zero rate tax payer like Senator Reid accused him of being.
            
            They're saying Romney didn't marry the Ryan budget. But he's said he'd sign it. And the whole thing is to priviatize Medicare, so thoee with money get the health care. The new figures say the increase in cost is $6200 for a senior on Medicare in 2022.

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               Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's exactly my point, Dr. Billy Kidd!
               Those who argued vehemently against Obamacare are now arguing fervently for Ryancare, seemingly not recognizing they are arguing the same side of the coin.
               It just blows my mind.
               And NOT in a good way!
               

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                  Dr Billy Kiddposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I really did not see it so clearly until you brought it up. Thank you.

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            umbertoobrianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            With the major exception of FORCE - you will be forced to participate or face a tax.  Government is force and when a new area of force is made available to government it will expand it.  There is only one purpose to government and that is to FORCE order on people.  That is why limiting government is essential.
            
            That is the difference - Obama would force participation, Ryan does not.

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   screamingposted 11 years ago

   And the item that Ryan puts a "Cap on Medicare Benefits", keeps being left out by those defending his plan. And one is to believe competion among Insurance Companies will drive the price down. I doubt it! Right up there with give wealthiest tax breaks and they will reinvest in jobs. Isn't that what President Bush said?

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Just wondering. Who runs the death panels under the Ryan plan?
      

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