Mitt Romney endorsed House Budget Committee Chairman Ryan's 2013 budget. It calls for priviatizing Medicare. That would involve getting a voucher in the mail and then hunting down the best private healthcare policy you could find and applying the voucher to the premium. This would start with today's 55years-olds.
For those 65 and over, it calls for ending Medicare and putting foks on Health Maintainence Organications (HMO) programs that will call the shots on your health care.
Does this have much of an impact on how you'll vote in November?
You need to do some research. You're spreading what Factcheck called "Whopper of the Year." Here's what the Romney/Ryan plan really states:
http://factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to- … are-claim/
If you believe the Ryan 2012 budget is any different than the 2011 that is fine. I'm just asking how it affects people's vote.
The FactCheck deal, however, almost sounds like a straw horse to me--the 2012 plan is not the 2011 plan. What? We bought it a new dress? You know, making an elderly person wait until they are 67 for health care. Geez. That's in both plans.
Both Ryan plans shift healthcare expenses to the elderly and to the infirm. The Congressional Budget Office has not said how much will be shifted by the 2012 budget, but a sizable amount. Let's see what that report says.
Medicaid would be privatized, by giving states block grants, to give coupons to the infirm to give the insurance companies.
It's kind of fun how Romney shifted the debate from Bain Capital and off-shoring to Medicare in one day. So this should be interesting seeing how the facts work out.
So, I'm back to the same spot, simply asking what people think.
Hey, if I'm wrong on any of this, call me out on it again.
Just the implementation of Obamacare is going to allow the govt. to call the shots.
The plan is already a failure as states are voting to opt-out of the Medicaid expansion.
Now, we can just sit back and watch the sky fall.
There's still uncertainty from your link as to what it would cost seniors? But it does say the private would be higher if I understood it right?
I don't know, but traditional Medicare would remain a choice - which I was worried about.
Yeah, my mother's doctor says she dies if she has to go on one of the Part C Medicare HMO programs. They simply would not cover her treatment. He said he hasn't see it yet, but regular Medicare it's standdard.
I hope this doesn't make me too impartial to hear what people are saying here.
Even the United States Conference of Catholic Biships said Ryans plan would take away benefits from the poor. Described by the Bishops as contrary to church teachings.
Who do you think is more likely to care what Catholic Bishops say about issues, Democrats or Republicans? remember what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality and aborion - that should help with the answer.
So let me make sure I'm connecting the dots correctly here.
Romney/Ryan repeal Obamacare.
So it's back to "business as usual" in the health insurance market.
Then Romney/Ryan change (I will not use the word privatize because it seems to make some people very defensive) Medicare.
Instead of having all seniors enrolled in a government paid and administrered program, the Romney/Ryan plan doles out vouchers to the seniors to go and buy their own health insurance.
Am I the only one seeing the humogous problem with that approach?
With no Obamacare in place, the insurers will immediately go back to cherrypicking who they will or won't cover. As they do currently.
No Obamacare means no requirement to accept patients with pre-existing conditions.
And of course which population has the most pre-existing conditions?
Bingo. Grandma and Grandpa.
So anyone care to speculate as to which insurance companies are going to be jumping up and down to accept vouchers from seniors?
No One is forced off Medicare - at all, every time it is offered as fact it is a lie.
"1. No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.
2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.
3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals. Is this “gutting Medicare” and “ending Medicare as we know it”? In reality, it’s the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option."
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/08/3-thin … 100-words/
I find it fascinating that the same people who have been screaming about Obama's Affordable Care Act are now using the exact same arguments they leveled against Obamacare to defend the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan.
Substitute "health insurance" or "Medicaid" for "Medicare" in your argument below and you have Obamacare. Evil, horrible, gonna bankrupt the United States Obamacare.
Mighty Mom. That's interesting reasoning. If nothing's wrong with the R/R shift in health care (that ends Medicaid, also), then what's wrong with Obamacare, that cuts the inefficiencies out of Medicare?
Still, for me, my mom's doctor said if she goes on Plan C, what others are calling Premium Support, she dies. They tell you what is covered--mom's stuff isn't--rather than go in for fee for service, which is what is keeping her alive. She's the old lady over the cliff in the comercial, for real..
When I think of everyone moving onto this in 12+ years--so we can fund the private insurance company trough, I just don't think it's fair. Not when Ryan's budget ends taxes for capital gains. Makes Romney a zero rate tax payer like Senator Reid accused him of being.
They're saying Romney didn't marry the Ryan budget. But he's said he'd sign it. And the whole thing is to priviatize Medicare, so thoee with money get the health care. The new figures say the increase in cost is $6200 for a senior on Medicare in 2022.
That's exactly my point, Dr. Billy Kidd!
Those who argued vehemently against Obamacare are now arguing fervently for Ryancare, seemingly not recognizing they are arguing the same side of the coin.
It just blows my mind.
And NOT in a good way!
With the major exception of FORCE - you will be forced to participate or face a tax. Government is force and when a new area of force is made available to government it will expand it. There is only one purpose to government and that is to FORCE order on people. That is why limiting government is essential.
That is the difference - Obama would force participation, Ryan does not.
And the item that Ryan puts a "Cap on Medicare Benefits", keeps being left out by those defending his plan. And one is to believe competion among Insurance Companies will drive the price down. I doubt it! Right up there with give wealthiest tax breaks and they will reinvest in jobs. Isn't that what President Bush said?
by Susan Reid 6 years ago
Good for Soledad O'Brien!CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien debunked the pervasive right-wing media falsehood that President Obama "stole $700 billion" from Medicare. Right-wing media have repeatedly claimed that the Medicare savings included in Obama's Affordable Care Act (ACA)...
by Charles Mark Walker 5 years ago
Shouldn't there have been healthcare reform before Obamacare is implemented?Healthcare reform would mean looking into a countless number of things wrong with the system.Yet now we are getting a new insurance that there are so many concerns about. It's like rebuilding an engine without taking it...
by Judy Specht 2 years ago
I have been listening to how the government has a billion dollars for getting people to sign up for the Affordable Healthcare Act. Would that money have been better spent training more doctors and building new hospitals? New Jersey has closed how many community hospitals in the last few...
by Xenonlit 6 years ago
Paul Ryan contributed to the current deficit with these votes, yet stands there with a straight face and says Obama is "wrecking" the country. Remember these facts: Invade Iraq HR 114 Voted Yea $1.3 trillion and counting First...
by Mike Russo 5 years ago
I have been retired for five years and since Obama Care has been in effect, I have realized significant changes in my medicare plan. My out of pocket drug costs are much lower now. The donut hole is closing and will be closed in 2014. (That's the amount insurance pays up to limit and...
by Susan Reid 4 years ago
If you are insured through your employer, the answer is no. If you are an individual or small business owner, please share your thoughts.Did you know there will be online health care insurance marketplaces (exchanges) in every state?Is your state running its own exchange ... ...or is it...
Copyright © 2018 HubPages Inc. and respective owners. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. HubPages® is a registered Service Mark of HubPages, Inc. HubPages and Hubbers (authors) may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, Google, and others.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|