Lets see , Gorilla or Baby ?
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
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What kind of human idiocy choses the animal over the child and is angered over dispatching the zoo kept gorilla over saving the life of a four year old child? I say charge the stupid parents for child neglect and get over the dead gorilla .On the day that Harambe was killed to save the life of the child there were some 125,000 abortions performed around the world that took the lives of unborn babies.
125,000 abortions per day. I don't see a problem with that. We have approximately 21,000 people per day die of starvation in the world. If we didn't have those abortions the world population would double in less than 20 years. How this would affect the amount of human suffering is difficult to determine.
Sorry, there are some fates worse than abortion.Typical liberal excusing of a liberal disaster , More black children in America die every year IN THE WOMB by abortions ...............Than ALL other causes combined .
I believe 69 shot ,w/8 dead , in Chicago this weekend alone , hear anything about that ?
Gotta love that liberal dominated media !I did read about the violence in Chicago. I suppose the liberal media somehow let that one get past them.
Instead of being negative, can you offer some solutions which would help young women in poverty in America feel that they had alternatives?
Probably not. It's easier to scream, shout and do whatever it takes to condemn others than be part of the solution.Sure , divorce yours from this sub- culture of punk assed drug and alcohol gang banger lifestyle for one , return to a self appreciation of positive personal accountability , grow out of the welfare state entitlement phase of your existence and stop using abortions as a method of birth control !
How's that for starters ?Not sure that keeping the babies started will help a teen get out of poverty. The rest is good, though.
Liberals have to realize that all the real problem cities in America are and have been RUN BY LIBERAL management , the most populated , the most violent , the most racially divided , the poorest inner cities and then change that !
Chicago
Los Angeles
New Orleans
Baltimore
New York City
Washington D.C
Atlanta
Seattle
How do we create an environment where they can do that? It's easy to make statements such as that one but I don't live in the inner city and can't imagine how life must be there.
Helping to pull people out of poverty as the solution which is part of your plan, I see. But, instead of looking at the situation as if these people chose this lifestyle I see it as being trapped in it. We have to figure out why we are allowing segments of our society to remain trapped.
Big difference between a 4 year old and 3 month fetus.
Apes will eat their own fetus, is that murder?Typically, it is believed that female animals only eat their young when there is something wrong with them or they died. It must be a sense they have, no one knows how they know. Also, they will kill their young if there isn't enough food around. Maybe a female can't produce enough milk or none at all.
Some male animals that did not father young ones will often kill and eat the young, so that the female will become fertile and ready to mate much, much sooner then otherwise. It seems pathological but is just their way of breeding their own offspring.
When I was little we had a rabbit that ate her babies, its still disgusting to think about, and I may never understand why. It is possible they were all ill, or maybe the mother thought there wasn't enough resources to feed them all and herself (there would have been).Now you know why humans use doctors, since we are animals too and can go extinct where we have too many babies like we have already on earth.
When we get over crowded like rats, we become more criminal like rats they have tested on.I do understand and I am in favor of freedom to make our own choices. I like to stress education so people can make the best choice for themselves. On the other hand, I do have my own personal moral feelings about abortion ... and that's where I seem to get in trouble when I express how I personally feel. Everyone should have the liberty to have their own moral feelings and freedom to express them. We are in danger of losing our First Amendment rights in America.
I don't know of a better wriitten system than the US Constitution. Too bad it's been use like toilet paper along with the dollar by greedy corporatism.
Charge the parents? Why? Without knowing the specifics, unless there is evidence they lobbed the kid over the fence into the enclosure, why would you suggest such?
As for the gorilla, sorry it's dead but kids trump gorillas in my book.Why did'nt they use a trangailzer gun, the baby was no threat to the ape besides they very curious like us.. Gorilla's will kill if they are threaten, fear is danger.
Stupid, much like the police kill innocent pot smoker in raids. Ape are 99% biologiically like us, except kinder.There is no need for safe crackers in this world, just tell a toddler not to get in it or tell them there is candy in it and they can get in. A child should not be able to get in a gorilla cage, no matter if the parent was drunk and unconscious.
The lesson of the story is wild animals should not be in cages or zoos. They are not here for our entertainment. It took 15 minutes, or so I heard. I would have made the decision and put the animal down in 1 second.
A tranquilizer could have frightened/confused the gorilla long enough before putting him out for him to become violent with the child. Not a chance anyone wants to take, I'm guessing.
I think they did the right thing by killing the gorilla, if it was somehow my child in there I'd be begging them to do it to ensure her safety, but it's still heartbreaking. The gorilla had no choice in the matter and it did almost seem that he was protecting the kid. It's a sad situation all around. I do have a hard time envisioning how a child could have gotten through the rails, a wire fence, and a bunch of bushes without the parents noticing or trying to go after him, but I wasn't there so I don't really know how it happened or what the parents did/didn't do.He was protecting the child because the parent were doing a lousy job at it.
We have killed most of animals on this planet since I was a young man. Then we lock up most of the rest of these animal in cages. Why don't we lock up ourselves for murder?You first.
But, honestly. Any parent who says their kid never got into anything during the one moment they took their eyes off them is lying.
Give the parents a break. Who would have thought an enclosure would be so unsecured that a four year old could get into it? Sounds like a design flaw.
This is a story with lots of "what ifs" involved and unfortunately none of them matter - it was a decision made in the moment and it was the correct one. I'm sure there are plenty of Monday morning Quarterbacks trying to replay the events under different circumstances, but the bottom line is that a human comes before an animal.
If you let animal rights activists get their way, then you'll have humans suffering from a water shortage while fresh water is allowed to go out to sea for the Delta Smelt....just saying.....water shortage is a hoax promoted by the elite that wish to capitalize in water.... we have technology and the the workforce required to desalinize ocean water and pipe it anywhere in the world as we pipe oil. The trouble is our current monetary system is upside down. We print money out of thin air and dole it out to the top of the economic chain ..... we should flip the monetary system right side up... and fund such projects employing thousands and supporting all in need..... "THRIVALISM" ... not socialism... THRIVALISM is th solution to most ALL world problems.
There are countries where politician tried to own all the water and the rain from the sky.
Stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
We are animal too, if we can't treat other animals with the same having them go extinct faster than any other time in human history. We deserve the same.
The top 5 threats to mankind is natural environment issue's. Knowing large wildlife behavior by confronting many, I would say those zoo keepers did not know their job.
Much like killing people over pot or killing people over in the Middle East.I'm pretty sure that if a human had a four year old and was in a position to do bodily harm to him....we couldn't get the child away from that human...we felt that a tranquilizer wouldn't diffuse the situation quickly enough to ensure the safety of the toddler...we'd do the same as was done to the gorilla.
Does that make you feel any better?
I'm not sure that it is a design flaw. We have a membership at our local zoo and go every couple of weeks. I'm very familiar with the enclosures and there are quite a few that my 4-year-old could get into if given the chance. "If given the chance" being the key part of that. They have security measures up to make sure that no one accidentally falls in or topples over - not every animal is caged up entirely to ensure that no one could get in under any circumstances. That's even more limiting to animals that are already limited in their enclosures. It's assumed that parents will take precautions and make sure that their kids aren't climbing into enclosures.
That said, I am sympathetic. One quick lapse in judgment or attention can be devastating when you have a small child.Having raised a toddler who we grabbed as he attempted to step forward to pet the lion, had to drag by the ankle back as he attempted to get into the rhino pen to retrieve a pretty rock, got pecked by an ostrich, had to be tackled as he took off full steam toward a busy street and might have attempted to walk to Europe under the ocean had I not grabbed him as he hit the surf...I know how quickly toddlers can go from at your side to a precarious situation. Bad parenting is, in my opinion, a poor and unfair judgment to make without all of the facts at hand.
But, I see your point as to it not being a design flaw. It's kind of hard to make access completely impossible and to allow people to enjoy viewing the animals at the same time.I agree, I think a lot of people signing that petition to have the parents charged either don't have kids, or don't really understand that all kids are not the same. I have a kid that listens extremely well, always asks me before she does something, and sticks close to me almost all the time. I have friends whose kids seem deaf to their voice and run at any opportunity. I don't think they're worse parents than I am, I think we just have kids with very different temperaments.
I admittedly have a harder time understanding how this situation got as far as it did not having experience with a "runner" myself, and my initial reactions were "how do you let a kid out of your sight for long enough to climb into an enclosure?" and "how do you not go in after him?" but without knowing exactly how it happened I don't think it's fair to judge them so harshly. It could have been crazy busy and he could have ripped his hand away from mom's unexpectedly and bolted off into a crowd of people. Who knows.While I agree with your point, I do believe that there should be at least an investigation. A woman who was there said the kid and mom were joking about him going into the moat.
In a sue, everybody Sue's everybody. Except the ones with the most money hold out best, like the Zoo in this case.
1. Zoo keeper should know he is an Ape, not a polar bear. Apes are not big meat eaters.
2. The Zoo is at fault not building the large animal structure idiot proof.
3. An ape behavior when shot is to run away. Not to kill the infant or throw the infant at the shooters because he soooo madd.
4. The zoo keeper should have had 2 guns. One a tranquilizer and a high power rifle in case anything goes wrong.
People with a lot of money seem to have a licence to kill apes or humans.
Let's not allow them to kill us and the animal kingdom, apes cost a lot money too.
Or feed the Zoo keeper to the polar bears, it not murder, it's food. We have way way too many humans on earth harming most animals anyways.I do agree with that last one Castle , seen the video ? Its really disturbing .
1. I don't think anyone was concerned about the gorilla eating the kid.
2. They are idiot-proof, no one is going to accidentally fall into that enclosure. Being child-proof and idiot-proof are very different things, small children are crafty and resourceful and could find ways into places most adults couldn't. The zoo has to assume that children are being supervised. If they aren't, it's not their fault.
3. Unless you're an expert in ape behaviour I don't think you can say what they'd do when they got shot. Many actual experts have said they made the right call.
4. The tranquilizer would have stunned him and who's to say what he'll do with the child he's holding onto then? Even if he had no intentions of hurting him he could accidentally do so quite easily.
The whole situation is awful and I am very sad for the gorilla as the poor thing did nothing wrong, but when it came to the safety of a small child and the gorilla, they made the right call. If it was your kid in there wouldn't your only concern be their safety? I'm an animal lover and from the outside I think it's really easy to say they should have tried everything to get the kid out without killing the gorilla, but when I put myself in the situation of that parent I want that gorilla away from my kid by any means necessary.From a person who has built zoo shelters, I would allowed the company to sue me if I built that shelter, child and idiot proof.
That was a hell of a water ride that kid had, yet child was not harm. By Ape language and logic he was probably fingering mama saying screw you Mama for not watching your child. Now he is mine to play with for now.
I have hugged and kiss monkeys and even been mugged for food by monkeys. I was not harmed and from what I could see the child was not harmed. Zoo keeper do not know their job and the animals behavior.It's pretty cool that you are so knowledgeable about gorillas and zoos. I presume you have had a lifetime of study devoted to the subject - far more than any zoo has had.
Still, you might read the work by Diane Fossey, who lived with the animals for years and reports that they can be quite unpredictable (as all animals are). You might also check into immediate reactions of gorillas when shot with a tranquilizer drug - it is often not what you might think (unless you are a master biologist as well?).Maybe I am a master at biology being very intimate being in the forest on my own from age 5 to age 61. Working most of my waking hours with natural materials like sand, snow, plants and wildlife all over the World. If it was my daughter in that Ape situation" yes I would become an instant expert.
I've physical handle chimps, hollow monkeys and spider monkeys. Apes I only know from working some closure construction with fake rocks and very curious with the ape handler's work. Ape were always throwing their sh*t at them, so they did'nt do right it neither.
This ape grew up in a Zoo and was human handled by people. The kid fell 15 feet, the ape was very concerned. The people panic like crazy so the Ape thought he was dragging the boy to safety. The ape handled the boy gently the whole time otberwise. Like he was handled when he was young.
Most people think the Ape should have not been killed, I agree and sense if I were in charge. The Ape and the boy would have lived.The gorilla did not pick up the boy and say to the crowd, "Its okay! I've got him and I will keep him safe and sound until one of you gets in here and retrieves him!"
No, he swung the kid around by the foot in the water. The boy could have been face down. He could have drowned. When he brought the boy to a standing position he looked at him. Perhaps he was completely baffled as to what to do. He decided to bring the child to higher ground where he hovered over him. He could have crushed him as he held the child between his powerful legs. We do not know what was in this creature's mind and since he could not tell us, we had to kill him.
It is sad that no human on staff was in a position of being in a relationship with the gorilla, as with a dog, so that he was willing and able to cooperate.
I am wondering: what animal is more evolved as far as animal soul evolution: a dog or a gorilla?
I would say a dog.I wonder where do people get their dog or ape logic.
There has never been a known Ape killing a human in captivity.
Dogs killed half a million humans each year world-wide.
I"ve handled almost as many monkeys as of dogs.
Been attacked by both dogs and monkeys. Dogs are far more dangerious and life threatening, people just fear what they do not understand. So they kill it.
If you love someone, let it free.
If tbat one does not come back to you .
Hunt that one down and kill it.
Should be written for the American way.
Sorry doG, did not want to throw under the bus like that.
Many, many experts who have commented on this situation disagree with you. But okay. You're saying you'd feel comfortable with your 4-year-old child in the hands of a gorilla for an extended period of time?
Better than him wondering around a zoo closures that dose not keep children safe from wild animals. He could have been worst, he could have walked into a lion or polar bear or Komodo dragon imprisonment..
If the military experts says it was OK to kill over a million children over in the Middle East. Dose that make it logical, moral or ethical?.
Their just do their job of protecting the monopoly guys money. I thought zoo's were there to educated people about animals.
When we are still not advance enough animal, only in killing other animals and their habitats.You're still not answering the question.
If your child wound up in a gorilla's arms would you be urging people to wait 5-10 minutes for a tranquilizer to kick in while not knowing how the gorilla was going to react (while holding your kid)? Would you risk your child's life to save the gorilla's?
The situation should never have happened, it was multiple failures in multiple areas. I wouldn't sue a zoo for having an enclosure penetrable by my child. I KNOW that she could get into one if she really wanted to and so I make sure she understands how dangerous it is and I keep an eye on her at all times (and she stays in her stroller for much of it). If you know your kid can't be trusted to keep away from the animals then don't take them to the zoo. If you don't know if they can be trusted then keep them in a stroller or harness until you do.Been to a zoo plenty of times with my daughter, she would not be able to excape me.
Let say she did, with that Ape.
1. I would tell the crowd I'm an expert and to shut up because the Ape I can see is upset with crowd noise.
2. I would tell my daughter not to be afraid, he won't eat you. He is only curious about you. Talk to him sweetly.
3. Tell the Zoo keeper to better have two guns ready, one being a high power rifleman Fire tranquilizer immediately when clear. Keep reminding the crowd to keep clam.
4. Throw a life saver down to my daughter who is not injured. Fire more tranquilizer at any apes that come closed to her with hopefully lower dosage. No animal like the pain from darts, I dislike needles myself.
5. Sue the owner and construction animals builder's. Would sue the Zoo keepers if they did not follow along or a good kick in the balls if they did not wise up.Most dangerous things I have ever built for 35 years where millions of people ride on, is snow playgrounds. No one has ever been seriously hurt and it was more dangerous than the ape water ride. To know the dangers is to control the danger
Here. Learn from someone that actually works in a zoo with gorillas:
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To the untrained it all seems so simple; just trank him and save everyone, but life doesn't always work as we think it should.She said , pretty well what I said male Gorilla's are not child killer. I did sense Gorilla's are more gentle than chimps and other monkeys I've played with. Kinda like a big dog yet the little dog is more likely to bite you.
She said watched the tape, the Ape was dragging the boy around like he dose with his toys. Yet tbe reaction from the noisy crowd made it more intense.
She said if they use a tranquilizer he might drown the boy, yet from the tape I seen the child head was not under water long and he kept helping the boy up from the water. The boys body was not damage, amazing considering he fell 12' to 15 ft.
I hang out with a lot wildlife trainers and keepers. Seen many animals tranquilized and always their reacting was to excape and weakly fight off being bagged or netted. The boy had a very low chance of being harm in that process. A plan B high power rifle as backup would make sure of any other kind of other reaction.
The zoo keeper panic from the public panic of the situation. They did not detached themselves well enough to save both the boy and the Ape. They see the Ape as a dangerous Frankenstein's.
I Look how American delt with Frankenstein in the Middle East, they just created even now greater dangerous Frankenstein's. Fear is about the unknowns, know your danger to control it, nobody has to die. A man in war 9 times out of 10 is murder in a Uniform. That boy had much better than 90% chance to survive and saved the Gorilla.She also said the ape was extremely agitated and extremely dangerous as well as that a trank can produce additional agitation and unpredictability. Several key parts that you keep leaving out.
Yes, amazing that the kid was not hurt, the way his head was banged around on the rocks. Not from an ape intentionally causing harm, but just from being dragged by an animal that didn't realize how easily kids die.
And because other animals respond to a trank by immediately going to sleep means a gorilla will do the same in spite of multiple experts saying different. While the experts, working with gorillas and zoos for years, say it is dangerous for the boy, you say different and it is therefore safe. Sorry, but I don't swallow it; you are making the claim from insufficient experience with the animal involved.
Nor was there any sign at all that the zoo keeper panicked; that is your personal conclusion because they disagreed with your evaluation of zero danger. Actually, it looks more like you are the one "detached"; detached from the reality of the situation and into what you want it to have been instead.
But perhaps you don't understand; as the video stated, the real danger wasn't from a killer gorilla out to kill a kid, it was from an immensely strong animal dong what animals do when agitated. Two very different things, but you keep focusing only on the first while ignoring the second.I'm a huge lover and protector of animals, but there really was no choice in this case. A tranquilizer could have agitated the gorilla and caused death to the child.
It is a sad, sad situation but zoo staff did the right thing.Still disagree, I'm not saying there is zero chance the boy could not get hurt.
There has not been a case where a wild animal that was tranquilized and backup with a high power rifle has missed.
I've been shot at twice with a high power rifle and they missed me lucky yet because I had more obstacles and move around a lot plus half the size of that Ape.
From the tape there were plenty of opportunity for clear and easy target to shoot the Ape both ways.We can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to convince you.
If the tranquilizer hit him it would have taken several minutes for it to take effect. Several minutes in which the gorilla, holding a child, would have known he was shot with something and feeling his body change. There is NO WAY to know how he would have reacted to that (and please don't pretend that you know because you don't). Are you willing to risk a child's life to see? I sure as hell wouldn't if it were my kid.
"There has not been a case where a wild animal that was tranquilized and backup with a high power rifle has missed."
Indicating what? That once tranked there is no need to shoot, so no rifle missed because it wasn't fired? Or that if a highly agitated gorilla is hit with a dart and instantly kills the kid there is ALWAYS time to kill it first? The first may be true, but is also irrelevant. The second we both know to be false.
Or is the low probability of NOT being able to kill the gorilla worth the risk of a dead child? "Well, we can probably save the kid, so trank the animal in the hopes that the little boy survives" - is that it? I would have to disagree with that one - keepers never enter the cage because of the danger, which means it is significant and not something to risk a child's life over.
While animal rights activists have a tendency to put an animal's life over a human's, I disagree. And when it comes to a child, incompetent to understand the danger, I disagree twice over.
I have to say that if it were ever my child I would have to hope that it isn't you making the decisions on what to do. Your concept of what constitutes acceptable danger to a small child and mind differ considerably, as does the value we each set on an animal.I think human and and animal life value are the same and when I have a knowing sense or don't have doubts, I can save both lives, I"ll take.
Or course you would have to be experiencing that moment, can only give logic solution form the sidelines.
When the first thing for an ape is to flee from a dart, there is no evidence that the rifle would be a false backup. when the first step survives or effective.
Who made man so superior that to kill most of the animals in the planets without a conscious.
Maybe the same people who kill a million children in the Middle east and convince their people it's all ethical or moral.
When doctors and nurses deal with traumatized patience and must become detached in order to deal with the situation effectively and efficiently.
I seen millions of kids get dumped around on my snow playgrounds and from what observed the kid was not knocked around much more with the cushions of water. The Ape seem aware of what he was doing even though he was igitated. I get initiated all the time from my little brats breaking the rules all the time. Playgrounds is the second most dangerous recreational sport next to bicycling on the street.The boy was not serious physically damaged from reports from the hospital. I"m sure he is in shock and won"t try that again.
I had a kid in shock from one of my chicken customs. Where the head fell off and the child thought the chicken
ate a human. He will get over it yet the Ape won"t.
Yes, so much this.
I don't think the gorilla would have purposely killed the kid but a child in the hands of an animal that strong is so, so fragile.I"ve played with much stronger animal and they aware of their strength. That Ape has been physically handled by human before. The proof is the boy was not serious harmed after spending10 minute with the Ape, why would he hurt him now.?...
Again, many experts who have spent years and years working with this particular type of animal have said the opposite. But clearly you feel that you're more knowledgeable on the subject than everyone else, so what's the point in arguing with you, eh?
There is always the know it all. It's what you learn after you know it all, that counts. I don't claim to know more than the zoo keepers.
But I do know how politic plays out in the minds of their employees decision in the amuse business.
It would have been so interesting to observe what the gorilla would have done with the child, but alas, a human child is a higher species as far as consciousness, potential and spiritual evolution, (I mean, an ape cannot talk.) The risk was too great.
But, I really wish we could have observed what he would have done. It would have been the mother's human horror, (understatement,) however, and everyone else's ... if the ape had decided it was just a human intruder and must be torn up. I wonder if he would have treated it as though it were a gorilla baby? (If people were not screaming and acting hysterical, frightening the poor gorilla.)
Are male gorillas gentle with their own babies?Unlike male bears who will eat 1/2 their young due territory and wanting to remate with the female.
Male Gorilla's are far more social and will take care of orphans if lost or separate.
In my opinions Human's are not superior. They are dangerious bullies and have done more harm to the earth and creature than good. Human have a diverse brain, eyes and thumbs. I could give you a very long list of many animals that are superior in survival history, physical abilities and loving. Killing that Ape was not an act of love or healthy knowledge in humanity or for the animal kingdom.
That's no new news since man has killed most animals on the planet since I was young. Most people act kindly towards not killing the ape. Mainly because apes look like us and are 99% biologiically the same.
Biggest difference is we don't provide lawyers or honest justice systems for other creature or environment to understand anything with our brains. We barely understand kindness for humans.Gorillas are known as "gentle giants". They, and elephants are my top favorite animals to observe in the wild. My heart hurts for the animals I see in a zoo because they don't belong caged up to make people money.
Children are our greatest resource though. That giant gorilla could have killed that little kiddo with a flick of its finger in a split second. I read that an adult male silverback has the strength of 10 men.Never played with apes, yet have played with elephant's and they are the real kings of the jungle and stronger than them all. Yet very aware and Coordinational with their bodies I order to not harm humans. Imagine apes to be the same when handled correctly.
It would be a dream come true to be able to spend a large amount of time with apes and elephants getting to know them and become trusted friends, but there I go dreaming again. It has to be an ultimate human experience to have with those wild animals.
If you watch Koko, this 300 pound ape on how she communicates. You would think she is having a conversation with 4 year old in sign language. Sometimes she express how her apes think.
Awe, I love Koko! I need to get updated on how she is doing. She is smart.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
As human beings , normal ones , watching the video alone would have probably shown the result of a drowned kid ! Humans are also not the only living thing to kill , murder , rape or hate. But leave it to humans to humanized animal behavior to OUR standards , for the benefit of emotional attachment . A zoo ! An Animals spiritual demise behind bars for your viewing pleasure !
That - says it all for me . Parents should NEVER let their kids in any body of water such as lake, pond, ocean or pool without their swimming suits on.
Kids need to know:
No SUIT, No SWIM!I've swam with wild sharks, crocodiles, snakes, killer whales and would not be afraid to play with that Ape because he would be the least dangerous of the bunch.
He is just another Frankenstein's people over panic over.Did anyone notice that was a black child?
Why is it mostly the parents fault?Yes, (race irrelevant) they did not establish the boundary: "No Suit, No Swim"! It can happen to any parent whose child has been introduced to the water, learned to enjoy it, and then sees a body of water he wants to swim in. The child said he wanted to swim in the "pool!" Its really a lesson for all parents. If the mother said "No!" why did he not listen?
"No!" must mean No! Stand behind your "no's" or the child will not think you mean it.
Pass it on.Parents are not aware of all the dangers.
For ample. I took over snow playgrounds across most of Canada. Because I guarantee safety checks and models of every playgrounds like clockwork. Every company before had seriously incidents and I had none in 35 years.
I throw myself over every wall and rode every slide several times a day, ask people what do they see as a possible danger.
I see many flaws in this animal shelter and polities. Plan B talk and buy your way out.
I have seen wild animal safari's done well, good for the animals and safe for all.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
Because in almost every popular issue today the one most lacking ingredient in the situation is -personal accountability , There is a very prevalent No-Fault culture of any responsibility for any situation today . Crime , drugs , murder , child abuse , gender abuse , animal abuse , rape , name the situation Castlepaloma , and I will show you the excuse ,
"Oh , its not his [her fault } insert excuse here ,.............................................!It is the father's fault because he has a criminal background.
Even though he was not at the Zoo.This is becoming more and more the best example of the new American parent ?
Kids do excape their parents from time to time. They are only a small part to blame.
From being in the Arts and amuse business most of my life. I see the blame game over high sake insurance liability all the time.
A human costs more money than an ape in liability. Yet no ape has killed a human in captivity that is the misunderstanding. They still have not convinced most of the people who think it was wrong to kill the Ape.
Their Money talks louder and their BS walks in a whitewash again. Race may come into this too.Race , because the parents are black , you mean ? You are right about the liability , Americans want to be perfectly entertained and when nature happens , it's ALWAYS someone else's fault , have you listened to the cowardly mother ?
"Mommy's right here honey ......Oh , I can't watch this "
If there was real universal justice she would have fallen in !Do you think its likely that she he will file a law suit against the zoo and be awarded a million dollars? Oh, I could see attorneys lining up for the pay day!
You are in tune! The planets are aligning.
It was funny how he pulled up the pants of the kid.
Like a American model of parenting like horse said.
The ape was physically handled a lot as a young ape in Texas before transported to Ohio.
Did you know human have as many hair pours as apes do. Plus blood type similar."Did you know human have as many hair pours as apes do. Plus blood type similar."
Not surprising; we are but one of the 4 "great apes" (hominids). We should be, and are, quite similar.It deeply concerns me to see our largest animals die off the fastest.
Never could imagine 90% of big fish in the oceans would of died off within 50 years.The lose of sea life is mostly due to the military, the Navy is always testing things to the limit and doesn't care about the destruction.
I like this meme. Harambe speaks out!
"I hope there will be an open season on pedophiles."Animal don't have sex with their young, like we do. They call us advanced apes.
Some kinds of animal may eat their young, maybe some need to be eaten.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
Watched a recent documentary of the newest world wide mapping of the undersea world of mountains etc. , It is the large scale sonar pulses that are driving whales and many other deep sea species of sea life to beach themselves or become totally disoriented , for one ! This is, in part , a new phase of mineral and resource exploration and is also internationally sanctioned !
A bigger concern is when they do not find any big sea creatures beached up in areas. Meaning nothing or very little big is living in sea.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
Today a judge will determine if the parents of this child will be charged with a negligence crime , I say why the hell shouldn't they be charged with child abuse and animal abuse !
Negligent of child supervision for sure. They probably are a poor black family by going by the Dad's criminal background.
I hold the Zoo responsible for the death of the Ape, they should have known better. They spend millions on those enclosure too.
Can imagine this family dose not have $100,000. to pay for a dead ape. Probably some child service work, since media watching every step.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
Well the judge announced today he will not charge the parents with child endangerment , Guess he's a moron too !
Where's the Queen of Hearts when we need her? Eh?
Must be the judge is liberal as well as the parents ...........:-}
Did the rich Zoo get off Scott free, too?
The bigger loser are the other Gorilla's.
Given sad thought's yet no honest way to protect their sweet existence.That is a good point. I'm sure the other Gorillas will miss their friend. Animals do morn.
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
I don't believe that humans have treated any of the animal world with all due respect ? Elephants mourn as I'm sure the Gorilla's do . What animal have we NOT mistreated in America ?
I heard a woman say. The more I get to know men the more I love my dog. Maybe he is worst than the other dog. Dogs and Cats are over all treated well.
Livestock treated worst, and wildlife shrinking fastest.Castle , I was thinking just yesterday , I seriously love my dogs more than most people , They are dedicated , loyal , friendly , and more predictable than humanity . I can't stand people who are mean to animals , I would easily be the hangman for animal or child abusers !
Real prison time and environment lawyers would be nice start.
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