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Donald Trump Continues to do Well with Uneducated White Males

  1. Sychophantastic profile image86
    Sychophantasticposted 19 months ago

    Another way to put this is that Trump is losing with educated, white voters, particularly women. What can Hillary Clinton do to appeal to the uneducated white voter and why do you think that she's losing in this particular demographic?

    http://fortune.com/2016/07/11/donald-tr … te-voters/

    1. Live to Learn profile image79
      Live to Learnposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe the uneducated don't have enough education to be dazzled with bs? That's Hillary's forte, isn't it?

    2. lions44 profile image99
      lions44posted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Full disclosure: I'm not a Trump fan.
      First, I think you should use the term "less educated" instead of "uneducated."  Even some whites don't always have the same educational opportunities as others.  You can still be very sharp on the issues but not be college educated. 
      That said, HRC is not comfortable around regular joes.  She doesn't show up at County Fairs and other events. Everything is scripted.   She's been running from these folks for years.  Just look at her inner circle.  There's a lot of contempt emanating from her and people see that.
      I don't think there is anything she can do to further her appeal to blue collar whites. 
      The 2008 crash hit these folks really bad and the tech revolution has left them behind. Their jobs and the world as they know it  have changed forever.  Many are scared and now face retirement. Fixed incomes and the nightmare of Obamacare are creating a nightmare scenario.
      Clinton talks a lot but says nothing. Maybe she needs to come out with her own alternatives to failed policies.  It's amazing she's leading the polls by large margins in places like Michigan and PA.  My party did not offer a viable alternative.

    3. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      What do you have against "uneducated white males "?    How quickly those with supposed "intelligence  "   divide the crowds into nice politically correct little pigeon holes of  bias !  White , black , green , intelligent , dumb  ,  ........

      This attitude RIGHT HERE  , is the exact cause of all of the  problems in our society today !
      I have known many an "uneducated white "  with more common sense than to divide a people  racially ,  intellectually or otherwise- kudos to you  !

      Here's your sign!

      1. wilderness profile image98
        wildernessposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Too true.  When I replaced the chemist in my first job after college, I was told he had been really smart - could stand out in the rain and explain everything in it but didn't have sense enough to come out of it.

        Too often our highly educated don't know the most basic thing about the car they drive, that they depend on for their very lives.  They don't understand how a thermostat works or what it really does.  They can't fix the most minor thing in their homes when it breaks.

        They have a head full of esoteric knowledge, but don't know anything about the day to day things they depend on and must hire the "uneducated" to take care of them - the ones that have been educated in the school of life rather than the artificial environment of a university somewhere.

        1. GA Anderson profile image80
          GA Andersonposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          That is a pretty broad generalization, don'cha think?

          Do you think a non-electrician or non-HVAC person, like a framer or drywaller or store cashier would know how a thermostat works?

          ps. But... I do know, and have met the intellectual-type "highly-educated" person you describe. Might be able to write a Supreme court brief, or explain physics theories - but doesn't know how to change a tire on their car. And... I have also met intellectual-type "highly-educated" folks that could do their own plumbing and car repairs.


          1. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 19 months agoin reply to this

            I've met them too, GA, that DO understand everyday things.   But I've also met some that did not, and that was the point.  Being educated does NOT mean that one knows about the things we all take for granted, even though most of it can be figured out with a minimum of knowledge.  Certainly did not mean that all or even most educated people are dummies.  (Maybe only those "educated" in the liberal arts? smile )

            1. GA Anderson profile image80
              GA Andersonposted 19 months agoin reply to this

              I suppose I just have a knee-jerk reaction and take issue with the general criticism of "well-educated" folks. Just as I do with the negative connotations cast upon "Conservatives!" Perhaps the compliment, (as I see it), that someone is well read could describe my perspective. The more your horizons are expanded, whether by education, readings, travels, or life experiences, the more I think your knowledge is increased.

              We all know how unrepresentative personal anecdotes can be, but here's one of mine... a prominent local lawyer/politician pulled into my restaurant parking lot and busted a tire against the concrete parking bumper and boundary guardrail. He came in to use the phone, (this was before cell phones), to call a tow truck because he did not know how to change a tire! Geesh! My dad taught me to change a tire before I could  get my driver's license.

              But on the other hand, in my later years, I did some home remodeling work, (one reason I emphasize with your perspective), for a doctor that was a respected heart surgeon in our community, (ps. PRMC in Salisbury, Md. is a well respected heart surgery center),  and he gave me the right instructions to do some plumbing modifications that he did not have the time to do himself.

              So, although I understand your original point, I do not see "highly educated" as a negative. And I do see Trump's critics use of "uneducated," (or under-educated), as having some validity.


              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                Don't see us apart much.  Being highly educated is only a problem when that education is far too pin point - whereupon that "well read" hasn't happened.

                And being under educated is not necessarily a problem either - not in the age of the internet.  As long as one understands how to learn it is a simple matter of doing so (which is why my "how to" hubs work for me).  Whereupon that "well read" becomes true.

      2. Sychophantastic profile image86
        Sychophantasticposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        I didn't divide them that way, the pollsters did.

        And the point isn't that there aren't tons of "uneducated" people with lots of common sense, the point is that education helps one discern truth from fiction, conspiracy theories from reality.

        I would argue that the "uneducated" are a lot more likely to believe the sort of stuff that Donald Trump spews, like:

        Obama wasn't born in America
        Obama is a Muslim
        Mexicans are rapists
        I'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it.
        Climate change is a hoax
        I can't release my taxes because I'm under audit

        And all the other conspiracy theories he likes. And Donald Trump is an educated person, so perhaps that disproves the assertion.


    4. Sychophantastic profile image86
      Sychophantasticposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Perhaps we can agree that he's doing really well with the white nationalists and conspiracy theorists.

  2. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Truthfully , there are many intellectuals  who can't get out of their own way when it comes to  common sense ,    we have all sat and listened to intellectual idealists drone  on and on and on ,   for instance ,   John Kerry just implied that  the media should stop talking about terrorism !  As if , it will just go away-- if we stop talking about it in the media ! 

    Now there is one intellectual moron .

    1. Sychophantastic profile image86
      Sychophantasticposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, there are intellectual morons. No doubt. Lots of 'em. That wasn't my point.