First of all, no excuses, Conservatives, Trump did say this, so spare me the 'spin'.
I promise to be on Trump like 'white on rice', but only when his behavior warrants it.
And, it does this time.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/t … ngs-232479
So, since he is so SMART he cannot be bothered with daily national security briefings? He says that they are repetitive and are best left to subordinates?
This man, having no political nor any position in Government of any sort can say that?
I did not hire Pense as President, if Trump does not want to do the job that he has made such a fuss to obtain, there is still time to communicate that to the Electoral College.
The President sets the example and the tone, he is setting one where he does not want to be bothered? The leader of the free world.....
The ultimate height of arrogance, is this supposed to be a part time job for him?
This is Maxwell Smart, "it is the ole clown in the Oval Office trick"... The only problem is is that there is no laugh track, because no one is laughing.
You have my thoughts, what are yours?
Just one thought. This is and excerpt from the interview But I don't need to be told, Chris, the same thing every day, every morning, same words, ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let's go over it again.' I don't need that.”
I don't know anything about the briefings but if some days are a word by word repeat of the day before I kind of agree it can be shortened to the first sentence above. Would that work for you? If he had them come in, make that statement and then leave? So that he can say 'Hey Credence. I hear you man. I'm doing it. For you. Yeh.'
Harry Reid said on camera something like they shouldn't give Trump real briefings, in other words, lie to him. So! If its repetitive nonsense they are giving, I am led to believe they aren't giving real briefings...just BS. Otherwise, Trump would want the briefings.
Harry needs to retire, he is too stupid.
Just another lying swamp dweller.
I don't know anything about all that but what Trump said is not quite what Credence is presenting it as.
Imagine that.
Yes, in your opinion: imagine that.....
What did the article say, or are you going to dispute this as well?
I added a quote from the article in my first post. What I garnered from the article was that he didn't want to deal with repetitive stuff. Brief him initially and then again if, and when, the status changes. As usual I think a far end has found a molehill. That's ok. It has become the norm. It could be worse. At least this isn't some ridiculous cry that Trump will cause the earth, itself, to cease to turn.
"At least this isn't some ridiculous cry that Trump will cause the earth, itself, to cease to turn."
Thank you, but I have not ruled that possibility out........
It's a glass half empty life you lead. If it helps I can guarantee the sun will come out tomorrow.
Yeah, but what about the day after tomorrow?
Tomorrow is December 12th 2016. The sun will rise again. The day after that, the sun will rise. Trump will not be president till January 20th 2017. Then, the sun will rise again...
The one thing this whole episode has taught me is that the far left is no different from the far right.
Yepperz, Harry Reid said he wanted the CIA to give Trump false intelligence briefings on live TV. What an idiot.
I hear Obama has missed over half of his intelligence briefings in his second term.
How about a reputable link to that, please?
Trump 'hears things' too!
Use those keywords on YouTube, videos should come right up for you m'dear.
I believe Trump sees things too.
So, I presume that it does not bother you that the President elect chooses not to be briefed on a daily basis while you criticize Obama for 'as you assert' missing half of his briefings while on the job. Is that suppose to be an excuse for Trump?
I believe Trump has received three briefings so far. That's more than any other president-elect before him. When they finally start giving him briefings they will know where to find him, and it won't be the golf course. Let's given him time...like till January 20th.
Who's criticize Obama? It doesn't bother me if he doesn't get daily briefings, it must not matter to him, so why should it matter. shrug
It must say something about those briefings.
What with the current president's vacation costs tally closing in on 100 million taxpayer dollars it's not likely he attended daily briefings. The real question is about whether the new president will be on vacation or attending to national business. Changing things may take some getting used to, but ending business as usual is the peoples' request. Updates may sometimes require a good deal of time and attention, other times, not so much. Subordinates know who they answer to if they don't pay close attention to the new rules.
Exactly!
The Obamas have been living high off the hog over-spending on their vacations on the taxpayer's dime. Its like a slap in the face to all those having great financial difficulties. They don't care, and their actions show it.
Trump said he wouldn't be taking vacations...we will see. Since he isn't going to take a president's salary, I doubt he would vacation at our expense either. The man loves to work and has great energy.
The economy looks like it will be thriving again, the stock markets are doing great after redlining just a few weeks ago, with thousands jobs and investors...things are looking bright. ... But, I think the Central Bank will collapse the dollar and the economy and we will see deflation in sectors and inflation in 2017. That will get blamed on President Trump like everything else is being blamed on him and he hasn't even taken office yet. Who says there has to be rhyme and reason?
Since I doubt Trump will pick up the bill for his Secret Service escort, Air Force One and myriad other things which involve the President moving from point A to point B....we, the taxpayers, will foot the bill for his movements whether he chooses to classify them as vacation, down time, or what. I can guarantee he won't spend 365 days a year working in the Oval Office.
At seventy years old, I hope he doesn't spend everyday in the Oval Office, everyone needs some rest. I think he will be flying on Trump Force One, because its much more fuel efficient and less harmful to the environment. But, I could be wrong, I picked that up from what he said.
There are two brand new Air Force Ones ordered for future presidents to use, because the cost is over $4 billion Trump said to cancel the order. That's really all I know about that.
A Secret Service duty is a package deal. Every ex-president and their spouses have a SS duty protecting them for life. We the people must have lots of money to throw around.
Trump is getting detailed intelligence briefings everyday from Booz Allen Hamilton, an NSA contractor, the largest private spy organization in the world. Because Trump knows that Republican presidents before him were getting fake briefings from the CIA. He knows that the CIA briefings he has gotten from the WH have been disinformation. So! The media has got it wrong, or just spreading more disinfo.
When Trump gets briefings from Booz Allen, he bounces it off Generals, so he knows he is getting the highest information he can.
When FBI or CIA agents are seasoned, they can graduate up,...to Booz Allen. Remember Edward Snowden, he was working for Booz Allen.
Colorfulone, that is a convenient excuse, why does he not pass on his theory about the 'fake briefings' during the TV interview, as the true explanation as to why he could not be bothered?
Is it at least possible for the left to be reasonable? Why do you so diligently seek to find fault where none appears to exist. Excerpts from the article:
those briefings do not always change day to day, Drumpf told “Fox News Sunday”
Drumpf said he always instructs those offering him the information to contact him should new developments emerge.
I don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day
the president-elect called those delivering his briefings "very good people" and said he would be open to receiving more regular intelligence briefings as situations dictate.
“But I don't need to be told, Chris, the same thing every day, every morning, same words, ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let's go over it again.' I don't need that.”
There is nothing unreasonable, irresponsible or negligent in these statements. What you hope to create is an atmosphere where the public will assume the next commander in chief is throwing caution to the wind and ignoring information. That is not what was said or implied in any of that article.
I honestly feel that you have made a decision to ignore truth in order to create drama. What does this serve?
Yes, I am diligent in insisting that the President of the United States does not get to pass the buck. As the least qualified and prepared occupant to hold the office since it has been created, I am not sure that I like his attitude in regards to preparation to sit in that chair. So, when something goes wrong in his administration, he is already in a position to deny, because he did not know, or is it that he did not listen?
If he does not listen to the briefings and see them as superfluous, that is not the attitude of someone that takes a new job with an attitude of success. Would you bring a new hire with no relevant previous experience, who thinks he or she knows it all? This one is too SMART to listen and learn as the rest of us mere mortals. So, he is smarter than all the men that have assumed the office before him and thus could dispense with information that they used.
He is criticized by me in this matter as he deserves it
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There is nothing unreasonable, irresponsible or negligent in these statements. What you hope to create is an atmosphere where the public will assume the next commander in chief is throwing caution to the wind and ignoring information. That is not what was said or implied in any of that article.
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No, what I see a President that is content to wing it, taking an attitude never found in any of his predecessors, even REagan was smart enough to at least keep his mouth shut about the relevance of the briefings in his interaction with the public. He creates the atmosphere with his attitude and statements that already reflect poor judgement.
if you really think that I am creating drama, perhaps you need to remove your Crimson tinted glasses and see the world in a new light?
Why bother listening to anything that comes out of the White House or the government-corporate run mainstream media? Its a bunch of lies and disinformation! Hmmm...
People actually liked this BS tweet from POTUS. Unbelievable!
CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA (1975)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ED63A_hcd0
This really is a big part of America's current problems. Watergate, the out of control CIA in the sixties and seventies, the long deception of the tobacco companies, the Contra affair, that nonsense with Iraq and WMD plus countless other lies and cover ups have made people distrust those American institutions that do cleave to the truth.
All deception eats into the heart of a culture and the fake news stories which are commonplace today are the end result.
Don't know how you fix it. There will certainly be no opportunity with a President who promised anything a person wanted to hear to get elected.
Countries have a habit of getting what they deserve.
edit: removed the 'few' from 'few American institutions that do cleave to the truth', it is probably an unfair assessment, on reflection.
colorfulone: " Trump is getting detailed intelligence briefings everyday from Booz Allen Hamilton, an NSA contractor, the largest private spy organization in the world. : What's your source for this statement?
Excuse me. Trump has been getting briefs from namely Lockheed Martin, which joined together with Booz Allen. They are one and the same. I read a lot and listen to Trump, I knew he was getting detailed intel briefs from somewhere knowing what he does.
I'm not sure intelligence briefs would help Obama. What is the President talking about? Unbelievable.
“Over the last eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland."
* https://www.facebook.com/theACLJ/videos … 138005047/
November 5, 2009: Fort Hood shooting
February 18, 2010: 2010 Austin suicide attack
September 1, 2010: Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis
December 2, 2015: San Bernardino attack
June 12, 2016: Orlando nightclub shooting
September 17–19, 2016: New York and New Jersey bombings
The man was elected by voters who choose which facts they like. Why are we surprised that he chooses what information he wants to be bothered with? It only sounds like the same thing day after day to him because he has no frame of reference.
Facts they like? Interesting.
Facts I liked include the fact that we had two horrendous candidates but since we knew exactly what we could expect from Hillary and any intelligent person knew full well that we could not survive a Hillary presidency then we were left with one option.
That depends upon Yourpoint of view, only right wingers saw Hillary as the worse between the two. While righties want to dismiss this, I say that it is an omnibus harbinger as to how he is going to govern.
He is going to be subject to constant criticism for things like this, so he had better watch his caboose.
For goodness sake. We've already seen that he is going to be exposed to constant criticism for anything and everything; whether reasonable or warranted. It's funny because I rolled my eyes when the thread about Trump being Thor appeared but the left appears to see him as some seven headed monster of Biblical proportions.
I will work to keep my criticism reasonable and avoid just bashing the man when it is not, even as I don't like him very much.
He could have avoided the image of being 'a clown out of its element' by humoring the AMERICAN people by simply not making statements that indicate that he is not going to take the job seriously. Government thru absentia?
Now that would have been SMART.
Well, Credence I should be honest here. Just as Trump was with his statement. I don't think it is possible to imagine every scenario where some will jump to an unreasonable conclusion because they want to see bad in something. Everything said in that interview made it clear that he didn't want to have to waste time with repetitive things. He said, several times, that he would make it clear that he wanted to be briefed if, and when, a situation changed. That seems completely reasonable, to me.
But, a general rule of thumb is that if people are going to continuously think the worst of you the only thing you can do is forge ahead, do what you consider to be best, and let the chips fall where they may; but don't spend a great deal of time attempting to please them as they don't appear to want to be pleased in the first place.
You are right, lol. So why did you play the nationalism card?
I'm afraid these are the types of discombobulated discussions I prefer to avoid. If you can't keep your conversations straight, you simply assume too many things. I'm not going to argue everybody else's points; especially ones I don't agree with.
Lol. It must be like trying to explain chess to a three year old.
But, we do hope eventually the left will grow up enough to understand since they aren't really three year olds, no matter how they may act.
I like clowns! Forget about the terrorist attacks on American soil!
That's interesting. Tell me a few that he reneged on. Not that I am an Obama fan, if you have some good fails, I would be delighted.
Trump so far:
The threat to prosecute Hilary Clinton is obviously not going to happen. Deafening silence on the wall thing (a few aides have talked about 'more fence'). Obamacare is not going to be wiped out, it seems (too popular and no thought through replacement for the 15 million using it).
Will a cabinet full of Wall Street execs, big business figures and billionaires really get tough on people and corporations that invest abroad? Regulation is not going to appeal to that crowd.
The guy is so unpredictable, you do not know what you are going to get. His family will probably have a bigger say than anyone else.
LtL: "The one thing this whole episode has taught me is that the far left is no different from the far right." THIS is the best thing you've ever written! Could not agree more!
Son of a gun. I've said that about 10 times now. Glad you agree.
The far left? In the US you have a choice between right wing liberals and right wing right-wingers. Bernie would count as a left liberal perhaps. No US political party is going to champion decent wages, employment rights, paid vacations, maternity leave or genuinely affordable healthcare. Those things take money from wealthy investors and money is power.
The history of the last forty years has been the gradual erosion of those rights ordinary folks won during the fifties and sixties. You ain't got much left to lose but its all in the cross hairs.
?? You're English. Correct? Living in England. Correct?
Half true. I am guessing you are wondering why I understand US politics better than many Americans.
It's just another subject. And many have interested me over the years.
To be honest, as soon as you understand how to handle facts in any area of knowledge you can quickly generalize. It is jut a question of putting in the hours.
Anyway, carry on. I learn lot in these forums.
You don't appear to have much of a handle on US politics. I was really just wondering if you don't have better things to do than worry about other people's business.
But, carry on. If you're learning a lot I suppose that's a good thing.
US politics can be understood in many ways. Here are 3 options that are available to me and that relate to my previous contributions:
1. Sit in a bar and talk to a gang of Americans (we have a few hundred where I live). Absorb the mindset. Ask a few questions. A couple of nights ago I talked to a group of young teachers from Michigan who boasted mournfully about their college debt. Later, some older Americans boasted about all the clever ways they had made money.
2. Read a news article that says 40 per cent of Americans are 'contingent workers'. Google 'contingent worker', chose the most authoritative article, which happens to be from the US Department of Labor, skim it and pick out the main points:
'Contingent arrangements allow some firms to maximize workforce flexibility',
'contingent relationships [help companies and employees] evade their legal obligations',
'contingent workers are drawn disproportionately from the most vulnerable sectors of the workforce'
3. Listen to the oddballs in these forums, lol.
There are many other ways to understand US politics, of course. How do you go about it?
L to l it seems offensive to me to imply that our public forums discussing domestic matters are closed to those that are located abroad and are not Americans, or more simply don't agree with your point of view. The choices Americans make regarding the President are of valid concern to people around the globe. I want to hear what they think and find their thoughts relevant to the conversation.
Don't worry, I'm not offended.
I remember the American woman who taught me some Medieval History thirty years ago. She happened to be a world expert on brew wives, including those in the county where I was born. So there was this woman in London, who looked and sounded like Katherine Hepburn, talking about villages where I had chased girls ten years before but had more or less forgotten the names of.
She had never actually visited any of the villages in question but I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of her research.
Think straight and the facts talk for themselves.
That is good, with ascendency of the coming messiah, 'The Chosen One", the explanations for muzzling the free speech of others are expected to become all the more elaborate.
I would think country of residency would not prohibit anyone from being expert on Medieval History. It's in the past. And, brew wives would fall into the same category, somewhat. I can also see why general knowledge of landscapes and geography could be attained through research.
Unfortunately, politics is a little more difficult. Your comment about there only being right wing liberals and right wing right wingers shows a bit of bias that I would expect from someone European. Nothing wrong with it.. I can easily understand an inability to understand what we call the far left and why we are leery of it.
Either way. I am not overly interested in your interest in our politics. Think as you will and enjoy it. I won't be reading any more of your posts on political subjects.
I am with you on this one buddy. And even if I were inclined to be dismissive about an 'outsider's' perspective - regarding American politics, it certainly would not be the Brits.
GA
I did not say they should be closed. Nor did I imply it. I said I wouldn't bother to read his posts. There is a big difference.
Heck. I'm fast movingto the point where I'd find it pointless to read your posts. That doesn't mean I don't think you should comment. Free country. Freedom of speech. I'm a big supporter of that. But supporting it doesn't mean I have to trudge through every close minded comment made.
You spoke about not reading his posts only after I made this post that you are commenting on.
If the only way that anybody merits your attention is if they agree with you, then it is best that you pack your things and move on. That is not what therest of us are here for. Your complaint does not support the advocacy of Freedom of Speech in its spirit.
And, you tell me that you are an impartial, moderate and reasonable voice?
LOL. So now you suggest I leave?
Priceless.
Edit. I went back and read the comment I made which started this exchange. As usual, you read what you wanted to into it so you could find offense. I did not suggest he leave. I actual said 'carry on' just as he had. Maybe you simply don't know what carry on means.
I don't really don't want you to leave. We have had some spirited exchanges in the past and we can have more. The basis of those exchanges have never been anchored on the idea that we are going to see things the same way. I am fundamentally different from you in many ways, and I expect in advance that we are not going to see eye to eye on most topics. It is not possible.
You were telling the guy to 'mind his own business' as he is an outsider, did I get that right?
The affairs of a country with the global reach and influence of the United States is everybody's business.
I'll be honest with you. We aren't perfect as a nation. One of our greatest strengths (in my opinion) is that we, the people, openly embrace this. We talk about it. Argue about it. Grapple with ways to improve it.
You and I don't see eye to eye. We used to be able to see that there was room for compromise. We attempted, I thought, to see where the other found reason in their conclusions.
Then came this damned election. With two unworthy candidates (I think). But honestly there is good in everything. You simply have tofind it and coax it to the surface. Each candidate had to have known that once the election was over they had to represent all the people. Take all of their hopes into account when attempting to lead us forward and, hopefully, improve our collective lot in life.
Had Hillary won I would have hoped she would have the best interests of all at the center of her policy when she took office.
This constant barrage of criticism and the (what I consider to be) low brow attempts to be seen as high brow when insulting everyone and everything related to Trump's move toward the oval office has slowly eroded my faith in the ability of the left to be fair and reasonable. I have ceased to believe the rule of law is respected by an increasing mob mentality displayed.
I could, honestly, care less about foreign citizen's interest. Because, if we took an interest in their history and their government to the extent they take an interest in ours we'd see much the same. An imperfect system. All they do in a situation such as the one we find ourselves in is to help cause division when what we need is to find unity.
I'll be honest with you. We aren't perfect as a nation. One of our greatest strengths (in my opinion) is that we, the people, openly embrace this. We talk about it. Argue about it. Grapple with ways to improve it.
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No, we are not perfect, we are far from it. It appears that we are going backwards rather than forward.
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You and I don't see eye to eye. We used to be able to see that there was room for compromise. We attempted, I thought, to see where the other found reason in their conclusions.
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The election of Donald Trump brings in a man with whom it will be difficult to find points of compromise. As he is too far to the right that I can't comfortably move anywhere that far to the right myself to compromise. I just as well say that the principles and values to which I adhere be flushed down the toilet, so no kumbaya.
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Then came this damned election. With two unworthy candidates (I think). But honestly there is good in everything. You simply have tofind it and coax it to the surface. Each candidate had to have known that once the election was over they had to represent all the people. Take all of their hopes into account when attempting to lead us forward and, hopefully, improve our collective lot in life.
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So, it is clear that you are more optimistic than I am, I have an ominous vision regarding this man and the people that he allows in his inner circle. I have no choice but to make the best of it, as the people or (Electoral College) have spoken. Trump does not give me that warm reassurance that he would not take us all to the precipice. I can only hope.....
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Had Hillary won I would have hoped she would have the best interests of all at the center of her policy when she took office.
This constant barrage of criticism and the (what I consider to be) low brow attempts to be seen as high brow when insulting everyone and everything related to Trump's move toward the oval office has slowly eroded my faith in the ability of the left to be fair and reasonable. I have ceased to believe the rule of law is respected by an increasing mob mentality displayed.
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Now that Trump is playing in the political big league, he can expect scrutiny and lots of it. I already written off the Right's ability to be fair and balanced many years ago, that is nothing new to me. Yes, we have the Rule of Law which I hope can contain Trumps worse tendencies, when nothing else will.
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I could, honestly, care less about foreign citizen's interest. Because, if we took an interest in their history and their government to the extent they take an interest in ours we'd see much the same. An imperfect system. All they do in a situation such as the one we find ourselves in is to help cause division when what we need is to find unity.
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How many countries in the world have the influence in so many aspects; political, economic, military, cultural that the US has? Of course, we are not focused on Sri Lankan politics and it is for this reason.I don't blame foreigners for our discord and disunity, we only have ourselves to blame. They just notice and comment on what they see.
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I have strong aversion to Trump and distrust him intently, and I am being honest.
I promise to be on him like a "cheap suit". My criticism of him will be long, hard and frequent. That is until he has me taken away for sedition, treason and, of course, as the Messiah, heresy.
In the case that he may actually do something right, I will first view it with skepticism and after it stands that test I give the credit to him that is due, albeit, grudgingly.
I will not hound him or his administration over trivial matters or make my attacks on him based on ideologically biased sources, the type Colorfulone uses all the time, the Infowars and Breitbart. On the same vein, I will avoid the Huffington Posts and Salon when I make my case. I will use the preponderence of responsible mainstream journalism to support my positions.
So, let the revels begin!!!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media? - William Colby
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
"In examining the CIA's past and present use of the US media, the Committee finds two reasons for concern. The first is the potential, inherent in covert media operations, for manipulating or incidentally misleading the American public." - Frank Church
"I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind." - John F Kennedy
"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo." - Harry S Truman
Why did always suspect that you would come after me for this?
The sites that you refer to are biased right wing sources, how do you expect me to believe them?
"Why did always suspect that you would come after me for this?"
Hey, it was you I saw stabbing me in the back. (above) I wasn't even in the conversation. What am I suppose to do, just let you diminish me? You made yourself fair game.
"The sites that you refer to are biased right wing sources, how do you expect me to believe them?"
Would you know the difference between right-wing and libertarian if it bit you in the chops (I moved up atomically a bit)? I don't expect much out of you, nothing at all really, except mutual respect...because that is a forum rule.
You want to have a conversation with me, that's different, but back biting ... c'mom.
BTW, I am on Seen.Life, the only rule there is not to attack other members. Its refreshing, better than Facebook or Twitter IMO, because of one simple rule. Great site for civil conversations.
I am stating a fact so don't construe it as an attack. Racism is not libertarian and that is what I find in those sites, seem alt-right to me. So you are not insulted, so don't play that card. Just a difference in opinion, that will more than likely be permanent.
You too, got the message regarding the "chosen one"?
Am I being fair?
C'mon you said Obama promised everything his supporters wanted to hear and I asked you to name a few broken election promises. You could not, it seems. So you get upset and play the nationalist card.
Just put a little more work into this.
You've got me confused with another hubber on that one. Come on. Pay attention.
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