A Political Chasm that may never close .

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   One could argue that the left is and  has been the politically,   loudest voice for decades , Since the sixties at least ,  However the pure , raw political obstructionism  and corruption of government offices and their heads  was damned near treasonous . And ,  Not enough is being said about the ideological  divide created by Pres. Obama in these offices !   From the majority Senate , Congressional political leadership on the right  ? Crickets are chirping again !   Is there ANY  push back coming from the establishment Right to the Left ?  Nope !  Is there a strategic defence  of Trump from the right  , Nope !    One or Two  voices of opposition to the downright defamation of his character ............even   one voice?
   
   That is all proof positive that the Trump voters alone drove a stake  completely through the heart of both parties in powerful positions of Congress and Senate and that   part of this  Obstruction is Bi-Partisan ,and media driven .
   
   Prediction , If the left is allowed to  obstruct Trumps presidential progress  .ALLOWED  BY THE APATHY  of the party of the Right who holds all Senate and Congressional power ?      I can see a voter uprising that will make  the obstruction on the left look like a boy scout weekend camping drill .  Trump WILL be re- elected in four years , AND a lot of CONSERVATIVE heads will roll in Congress and Senate ?
   
   Even the complete Media Bias  is more politically active  than the Congress and Senate of the  Right .
   
   Trump Voters ---- Be Ever Vigilant ?

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      Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing wrong with genuine conservatives, the kind that care about the truth, and decent human values.
      
      Sadly, in the US, a significant part of the Republican party see advantage in misrepresentation, distortion and spreading distrust and alarm.
      
      The short term electoral advantages of this approach are translating into serious long term harm for your country.
      
      It is a genuine threat.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Will , That's all true of both parties here ,   The American voter is right now dealing with the  incredible disconnect of established swamp dwellers of both parties in DC ,     Trump , like him or not , was the first attempt to break that  political  cycle , by the  MIDDLE voters America , at least many think. Obviously the far left is crying loudly against him for obvious reasons , the far right in Senate and Congress is working silently behind the scenes to obstruct as well.   The media Bias  , working for both of them !
         
         This is the unlikely , unpredicted  victory OF THE PEOPLE  against  an out of control  government in America .
         
         It has to succeed , And only Trump voters can be vigilant to that . The left has offered O  to date !

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            Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sorry, but Trump is a disaster and so are the populist elements of conservative media.
            
            Just one very harmful instance:
            
            After the terror attack in London, Trump tweets “Pathetic excuse by London mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his ‘no reason to be alarmed statement.’ MSM is working hard to sell it.”
            
            The facts:
            
            The mayor condemned the attack, as you would expect.
            Later, he told Londoners that there would be a large presence of armed police in the capital in the coming days but there was 'no need to be alarmed' by this.
            
            Apparently, Fox News took the mayor's comments completely out of context and Trump just regurgitated it.
            
            The fact that the mayor's name is Sadiq Khan probably has a lot to do with this.

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         wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         "Nothing wrong with genuine conservatives, the kind that care about the truth, and decent human values. "
         
         You mean like ObamaCare is cheaper for the country than what we had?  And the value that whatever we own is free game for politicians wanting more money to buy votes with?  That kind of "truth" and "decent human values"?

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            rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I thought about that too. You have to trust too much in their motives to believe that.

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Oh Will, let's be honest. Both parties are guilty of attempting misrepresentation, distortion and spreading distrust and alarm. But, I do agree that this is translating into serious long term harm for our country.

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            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Especially  , to date , That it IS all false based !

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      colorfuloneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Trump is going to land on their heads.
      
      They can't be the head of the establishment and be the counter culture at the same time. They are trying to use the language of the establishment authority and the counter culture of the resistance and all this other stuff, cringe moments they put out on Twitter and things.  That paradigm isn't working.  But, these people do not understand, you cannot have any integrity if they are the slave master and pretending to be one of the slaves.  None of the slaves are going to believe them.  And, those that do believe them are the small deluded mass that follows them, and that's not enough to get them the power anymore.
      
      Anywhere you look in the established order there is a lack of confidence. Therefore, things are changing. Who said the transition was going to be easy, that the opposition wouldn't fight tooth and nail and try to claw its way to stay in power?  Wait till they start growling and snarling in public.     
      
      The establishment is disparate because the power system is changing along with the money system that they raped, plundered and pillaged, but they want to squeeze out more. 
      
      I'm not tired of winning, whatever it takes!

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         colorfuloneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Will the people who pull the strings offer up Hillary Clinton to be prosecuted for the 'pay to play' scheme she ran as Secretary of State through the Clinton Foundation?  Anonymous sources say a deal has been made with President Trump and the Deep State (and the DS will have to stop their criminal activities).  Should be interesting if true. 
         
         That would be a very gracious deal!

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      rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      For several years the government has been driven by the ideology of greed and power. Even while Obama had the votes in the beginning of his first term he lost the house in the 2010 mid terms. Even while he had the votes in the beginning he could get very little done as the membership listens to the higher power of money that greases the wheels up on the hill. Looking to party partisanship is only as good as what their handlers (the lobbyists) want.
      
      It will bump along as it always has as long as we allow them to enrich themselves and continue serving others.

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, as 'the stomach turns", don't you think that we have heard enough of these bromides of yours?
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      One could argue that the left is and  has been the politically,   loudest voice for decades , Since the sixties at least ,  However the pure , raw political obstructionism  and corruption of government offices and their heads  was damned near treasonous . And ,  Not enough is being said about the ideological  divide created by Pres. Obama in these offices !   From the majority Senate , Congressional political leadership on the right  ? Crickets are chirping again !   Is there ANY  push back coming from the establishment Right to the Left ?  Nope !  Is there a strategic defence  of Trump from the right  , Nope !    One or Two  voices of opposition to the downright defamation of his character ............even   one voice?
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      The left has been and is more prevalent, but the right has the biggest mouth. Why, don't you crack a book now and again, the ideological divides pre dates Obama. I am delighted with anything that puts a monkey wrench into the works of the Trump Dynamo. I am certainly helping to do my part. The disharmony within the GOP is ideal for an intractable enemy of the progressive left.
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      That is all proof positive that the Trump voters alone drove a stake  completely through the heart of both parties in powerful positions of Congress and Senate and that   part of this  Obstruction is Bi-Partisan ,and media driven .
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      Yes, when it comes to the nefarious plans of the GOP, obstruction by the Democrats is to occur and is expected. Because, those that did not vote for Trump have something to say about all of this. Your man will have to face the lion's den; negative press, public opinion each and every day. Let's see how long he can handle the onslaught before his tyrannical side is brought out for us all to see.
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      Prediction , If the left is allowed to  obstruct Trumps presidential progress  .ALLOWED  BY THE APATHY  of the party of the Right who holds all Senate and Congressional power ?      I can see a voter uprising that will make  the obstruction on the left look like a boy scout weekend camping drill .  Trump WILL be re- elected in four years , AND a lot of CONSERVATIVE heads will roll in Congress and Senate ?
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      Yes, we are going to obstruct it, just like your people obstructed President Obama. As for you so called uprising, bring it!! Your man will continue to screw up and WE WILL GET HIM.

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   colorfuloneposted 5 years ago

   “Pathetic excuse by London mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his ‘no reason to be alarmed statement.’ MSM is working hard to sell it.”
   
   I approve this message, pretty pathetic excuse for a Mayor after a terrorist attack.  "No reason the be alarmed." People got killed and injured, but nothing to see here, all is well.  Sounds like an incompetent fool. ... Let's pretend every thing is just fine, its normal, get use to it, this is your future like it or not.

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      Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      As I said in an earlier comment, when the mayor said there was 'no need for alarm' he was referring to the extra police presence London would experience in the days after the attack.
      
      The sight of armed police on every corner, is pretty disturbing for anyone from the UK. For some reason they do not want to live in a police state.
      
      This from JK Rowling:
      
      

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         Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Don't you know it's much more fun to take things out of context so that you can have yet one more thing to be fake outraged about?

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         PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Oh look what I found, a celebrity"s opinion.

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            Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            And yet you were willing to make a celebrity the president. Hmm...

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               Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Lol. Does reality TV show host count as a celebrity?

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                  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Which shows exactly the vacuum the left has in recognizing a real LEADER and not a fake one .

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               PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe she will donate all the money she earned from Americans to the victims and their families.

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                  Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  What does that have to do with the validity of anyone's opinion?

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                     PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     She is not offering a single opinion on an isolated point. She has every right to her leftist opinions, but i am not foolish in thinking it anything but opportunistic. Many Americans voted for Trump. Many Americans bought her books.  I mean she likes our money. englanders have a short memory. i have no net connect low batt and my browser is having seizures. Maybe the US.should not get into their or other countrys affairs.  If they would only give the same? But we know better. If it goes fist city. They have no need to call us this time. We'll call them

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                  colorfuloneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "If only we could find something that linked all these terrorists attacks together." ~ Colombo
                  
                  Maybe if they think real hard.   

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      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      ... and it sounds like he isn't alone. But since you "approve" the message, it must be true.
      
      How can you possibly be comfortable propagating, and approving such an obvious and easily debunked falsehood?
      
      The London mayor was clearly speaking of Londoners not being alarmed at the increased police presence...
      
      He said; "Londoners will see an increased police presence today, and over the course of the next few days, "no reason to be alarmed."  One of the things the police, and all of us needs do is make sure we are all as safe as can be..."
      
      Yet you are comfortable approving the contorting of that to mean no reason to be alarmed because they were attacked by terrorists. Geesh.
      
      GA

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         PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         The context makes it much better.

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      Greensleeves Hubsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Oh dear colorfulone, sometimes your comments are so far out, I wonder if you're actually a liberal in disguise, just playing Devil's Advocate for the fun of it If you want to hear exactly what Sadiq Khan said, just check out the video below. It clearly proves that he was referring to possible alarm at increased military presence and armed police on the streets - NOT dismissing alarm at terrorism. Hopefully it plays OK. If not, look it up on YouTube, rather than relying on Donald Trump's distortion of it.
      
      https://youtu.be/XG49v35M95g?t=24s
      
      No sensible person thinks anything bad about the Mayor's words. (The Prime Minister, who represents a different party, defended the Mayor saying he was 'doing an excellent job' in the aftermath of the attacks).
      
      However, it seems that some people will believe whatever Donald Trump says, no matter how outlandish or ridiculous his words. Fortunately, it's only a minority who do that, because such unquestioning support is the way in which dictators are born.

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         colorfuloneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I think the Mayor and possibly yourself are disconnected from reality. Normally, I don't read your posts because of that, its fruitless.
         
         President Trump initially tweeted Sunday, saying “at least 7 dead and 48 wounded and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ ”
         
         Its just that I have a humanitarian instinct to want to protect innocent people from terrorists even if they are asleep, ... its time to wake up.  What's it going to take?

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            Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You seem to be having some trouble grasping context here.

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         PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         We are just worried your country is becoming a caliphate. Or maybe it already is.

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            colorfuloneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            When that genie was let out of the bottle, people weren't given three wishes.

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Credence , One day you too will realise your ideology in demise  as I did decades ago ,  It is your ideological brilliance  [ not your own ]that lost you the house , senate , congress   and white house ..............state after state  legislatures .  How much further is your blindness going to allow you to fall , after all ,all the scientific records show that  at the end of the great Fall - is but the impact of the bottom .
   
   See you there .[nothing personal ]

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   colorfuloneposted 5 years ago

   Projecting?

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