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Senator John McCain just announce he won't vote for repeal of ACA

  1. jackclee lm profile image80
    jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

    This is after repeated claim he will repeal ACA in re-election campaign...
    How does he sleep at night?
    Who is paying him?
    Why is he still a Senator?

    1. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this
      1. Paul Winger profile image60
        Paul Wingerposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        Good! Anything that tells the orange man-baby to go f*ck off is okay with me!

    2. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Why is he still a Senator?"

      Because he's been there a long, long time, has a great deal of political power and, presumably, "brings home the bacon" in the form of lots of federal monies to his voters.

      A great example of why term limits are necessary.

      1. ptosis profile image81
        ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        mm, wrong.
        98 % of ALL incumbents are reelected.

        With wide name recognition, and usually an insurmountable advantage in campaign cash, incumbents typically have little trouble holding onto their seats.

        That's why need to have Congress destroy USSC decision of Citizens United.

        The money behind the most expensive U.S. House race in history
        9 million dollars runoff race 

        http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-trump … ama-2017-9

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … 02fbcf0798

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Sounds like we said the same thing - how was it wrong?

          1. ptosis profile image81
            ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            You are right,

            I no longer support McCain after finding out he abandoned ship and went AWOL during the ship fire and then the radio address he did while POW.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I don't have the option of supporting McCain, but if I did I wouldn't support him because he has gathered far too much power and uses it incorrectly.  On the plus side for him, he has neglected to follow party edicts (a result of knowing he's a short timer and it doesn't matter any more?).  Perhaps if all of them were short timers we would see more of the same.

    3. Misfit Chick profile image71
      Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Darn Moderates, LoL!

      I know that many people in his party despise him and have for a while - for often being one of the holdouts on 'extreme' GOP policies. He supposedly has 'too much power' and 'doesn't use it correctly', right?

      I think he would really like to have an Obamacare replacement; but he is holding out for a bipartisan one - because its high time that our politicians STOP trying to FORCE their extreme issues onto the rest of the country who would ALSO really LIKE to have a bipartisan bill.

      There are only a handful of GOP that I appreciate; and McCain has always been one of them. At least when he 'uses his power' it is usually for the benefit of 'we the people'.

      Its the 'in' thing to be anti-McCain, especially since Trump dissed his military service. Anyone who has a sliver of something 'honorable' - like experience, an education or an impressive military record - is pretty much a loser to T-fans. But, as far as I am concerned, McCain is still a hero - pushing against his party for 'the people'. If I could grab him and give him a big kiss on the lips, I would! LoL!

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        My problem with John McCain is that is a deceiver. If he wants to be a Democrat, why not run as one. Why lie about his position just to get elected and then does what he pleases and screw his voters...
        We as voters have very little recourse. We elected people every 2,4 and 6 years to govern... If they don't do what they promise to do, what else can we do?
        So disingenuous of him to say one thing and do the opposite.
        So when was the last time a Democrat after winning elections and seek a bipartisan solution? Never.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          While I disagree that fighting for "we the people" means requiring them to buy what others want but don't want to pay for from their own pocket, I also disagree that any politician is tied to the edicts of their party.  That's a big part of what is wrong with our government, IMO, and why the "behind the curtain" puppeteers are actually running the country rather than our elected politicians.

        2. Sustainable Sue profile image97
          Sustainable Sueposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Bernie Sanders does it all the time. So did President Obama. Joe Biden was one of the most bipartisan Democrats there is. Diane Feinstein does it and so did Barbara Boxer. Want more?

      2. RJ Schwartz profile image94
        RJ Schwartzposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Seems to me that Mr. McCain is playing the revenge game against both Trump for calling him names, and the GOP for not electing him in the past.  The man is dying so expect to see his real truth emerge.  He was a sellout to his brothers and sisters in the military during Vietnam Nam, now he's a sellout to his GOP family.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Why is he a Republican???

      3. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        McCain is the biggest anti-American, lying POS politician that there is.  He represents everything wrong with Congress, and these criminals that stay in D.C. for decades selling out the American people.

        There is no bigger enemy to America or the Constitution than John McCain. 

        Notice who is his best buddy in this clip (Joe Biden):
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXlf_GrPmo

        I know he was a POW, I have seen and heard plenty of it.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hr37eE0nO8

        But that doesn't mean that today, he is not corrupt, or being given the wrong information and supporting the very causes and political positions that are doing the American people harm.  Whether it is because he is totally out of touch with reality, or whether he is a willing tool of those who will do America's interests harm, doesn't really matter... he remained in office by lying (IE - I will repeal Obamacare) and by deceit, and he forwards the agendas that harm American's interests, that's what matters.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Agreed 100%.

        2. GA Anderson profile image81
          GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Hi Ken, without addressing your opinion of McCain - just your first link, I have a question, (or two):

          "Notice who is his best buddy in this clip (Joe Biden):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXlf_GrPmo "


          What points of that speech do you disagree with? I liked all of it, but I have seen a lot of criticism of him for giving it. Is it just different perspectives, or am I missing something?

          GA

          1. Ken Burgess profile image87
            Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Hi GA,

            Happy to elaborate.

            I would say one big part of that is he clearly identifies with the Idea of Globalism, NWO.  And speaks disdainfully (accusatorily? ... both? .. a better word eludes me at this moment) about Nationalism, and by extension that means America's sovereign rights, American's seeing themselves as Americans and not just part of the big global mass of humanity, etc. etc.

            When you strip a country of its identity, and its people of its culture and history... what do yo have?

            The idea of a global community, a one world government, has some merits, and some day we might get there, but not in our lifetimes.  The course McCain and others try to steer this country on will only lead to our demise.  We will abdicate our position in the world to BRICs, this is already well in the works, and yet it seems many of our politicians in the highest places are blind to this fact, arrogantly so.  -Or in the case of Obama, I believe he was deliberately seeking such, while undermining the nation's sovereign rights handing them over to whatever international organization wanted them (GTO, UN, etc.). Much of this is being reversed by Trump, as Obama acted through EO, not through Congress, Trump can therefore undo a significant amount of the damage done.-

            In truth neither China or Russia (again in our lifetimes) are going to follow along to the whims of those in Europe/America who think they are going to toss aside their national interests and get along as one happy world.

            Russia and China would be all to happy for the US to continue on its economical and cultural self destruction in pursuit of this fallacy, until we can't turn back and have gone too far down this path, then they will exert their own national agendas and assume control of the global economy, in essence BRICs will become the NWO power in the world, while America declines and the wealth flees.

            And McCain supports and strives towards that fallacy, in addition to being a stooge for the likes of Big Pharma and Insurance, and hence, his refusal to repeal Obamacare.

            McCain, through his actions and deeds proves daily he is an enemy to the American people's interests and wellbeing.  And the 'establishment elite' love him for it.

            1. GA Anderson profile image81
              GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Thanks Ken, I can see that our different interpretations is a matter of different perspectives.

              When I heard the speech, (actually saw the text version first), I had thoughts of stuff like; The Marshall Plan, the Reconstruction of Japan, the representation of our freedoms and liberties that many minor nations have, (or tried to), emulated, and other similar instances of American example and leadership.

              By my way of thinking, patriotism and nationalism are not the same thing. There are at least a couple modern-history examples that have shown the harm nationalistic fervor can cause a nation, and that same modern-history has shown the fallacies of short-sighted Isolationism.

              I am most definitely not a proponent of this 'New World Order' concept, and I do agree with Pres.Trump's idea that the U.S. should not be anybody's door mat - to be taken of advantage of because of our humanitarian ideals or generosity.

              But I do completely agree with McCain's leading statement:

              “To refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain ‘the last best hope of earth’ for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history,” he declared.

              We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil. We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad. We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did. We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to."


              There was more in the speech, than is being shown in most clips of McCain's speech, that sets the context of his remarks. I think they reinforce my perception of the intent of his words. Here is the full text of McCain's speech if you are interested.

              From our past exchanges I suspect you are aware of the examples, and results, I mentioned, but I also suspect that your ideological position is similar to the national mood that FDR faced in 1939.

              So cheers! Here's to hoping I am right and you are wrong. ;-)

              GA

              1. Ken Burgess profile image87
                Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                GA

                Lets consider this first paragraph then, shall we?

                "To refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain ‘the last best hope of earth’ for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history,"

                So what McCain has done his best to do here, is to compare the President (and those who support him) to people of historical note, like Hitler.

                I know I probably didn't have to spell that out to you.  However lets consider the validity of this statement and the effort to paint Trump as such.

                Trump hasn't backed out of international duties... he is still defending countries like South Korea and Japan from North Korea's missile spree hasn't he?

                He is actually calling Iran onto the mat, rather than burying his head in the sand, of course this angers the Europeans who are benefiting from being able to get energy resources from them while trading their manufactured goods in return.  But what does that have to do with what is in America's best interests?

                He backed out of the TPP... which would have only made it easier for businesses to move jobs overseas, and made it more certain that our wages and benefits continue to stagnate.

                He has challenged China's 'favored nation' status, while China grows at an annual rate of almost 7% a year... our nation has had a tough time managing 1% a year.  Could it be that China's cheap labor, and lack of having to pay taxes or tariffs on its products is severely hurting our economic growth?

                This 'Nationalism', this 'America first' that Trump speaks of, is an anathema to those globalists like McCain that believe the American Constitution and National Sovereignty are antiquated ideas that no longer serve a useful purpose... of course its easy to have those beliefs when you have hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank, and live where and how you like.

                McCain, and all the rest of the corrupt in Congress, despise Trump for what he represents, that middle class Americans are aware of the betrayals against them by Congress, and the truth that these politicians are not Patriots to this nation they want to believe themselves to be, but corrupt and criminally negligent betrayers of all Americans (save the 1% elite establishment types).

                And thanks for the replies, your counterpoint is always welcome.

                1. GA Anderson profile image81
                  GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  It looks like I still might not be getting it, Ken.

                  Where did you get the Hitler comparison from; the "spurious nationalism," or "the tired dogma?" I am guessing it would be the nationalism part. And if that is true, it doesn't seem you hold a very high opinion of it if you think it to be a Hitler reference.

                  The rest of your response jumped tracks on me - you went into Trump defense mode to validate your disdain for the man and his speech. Remember, I didn't address your opinion of McCain, or whatever unspoken inferences anyone could draw from the fact it was he who gave the speech, I was addressing what was actually said.

                  You said, "However lets consider the validity of this statement and the effort to paint Trump as such."

                  My initial question was about the first part, the validity of the statement, your response seems to be about the latter part, the effort to paint Trump as wrong.

                  It was clear to me he was criticizing Trump, and the direction of his policies, but that didn't alter my opinion that I think his point was valid - regardless of who it was directed at.

                  ... and that was the point of my initial question to you.

                  Your explanation answered my question, and this response seems to confirm my impression that it's all about perspectives. You are comfortable condemning the words because they are directed at Pres. Trump, but do you condemn what they actually say? I can hardly resist posing the rhetorical question of whether you would feel the same if that speech had been directed at Pres. Obama - but I will try.

                  GA

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image87
                    Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    As a stand alone statement, from a neutral non-political standpoint, and not from McCain.  I think it reasonable to extrapolate from it what you have.

                    But it didn't come from a neutral party, it came from someone who has made clear statements in the past, and this is just his continuation of that conversation, as I am sure you are aware.

                    McCain has been railing against the President every chance he has, on every podium he is presented.  Going all the way back to BEFORE the election, starting with his willingly presenting false information against Trump to be considered by the FBI and other established institutions.

                    He has gone out of his way to oppose the President every chance he has had, and more importantly he has gone against the very promises he made to his voters that got him re-elected (in this way he is so much a establishment tool) such as by not repealing Obamacare when given the opportunity, as he strongly advocated for when running for re-election.

                    Now, I admit, McCain is a very savvy and wise speaker, knowing just how to couch his words and vail his true meaning, in this he is fully the opposite of Trump, who embodies in many ways the 'ugly American' and speaks a little too bluntly and wildly for those of more refined and delicate background.

                    When you read any of McCain's statements, they all seem reasonable and well thought out, and a rational mind would tend to agree with him:

                    “The severity of this issue, the gravity of it, is so consequential because if you succeed in corrupting an election, then you’ve destroyed the foundation of democracy,” McCain said in regards to accusations that the Russians 'hacked' the election. “So I view it with the utmost seriousness. I view it more seriously than a physical attack. I view it more seriously than Orlando or San Bernardino. As tragic as that was, the far-reaching consequences of an election hack are certainly far in excess of a single terrorist attack.”

                    Of course, we all know where the heart of this stems, Trump's not a hero insult of former POW McCain I am sure helped to solidify McCain's efforts against him at every turn. 

                    But I am not alone in realizing what McCain's true intentions were with that 'speech', nor what his efforts have been since before Trump became President.

                    http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/ … 771885001/

                    1. GA Anderson profile image81
                      GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                      I was glad to hear your perception of a "neutral" presentation of the speech Ken, and I do understand why we view McCain's presentation differently.

                      I think you are right about McCain's careful wording, but I don't think that is a bad or even disingenuous thing. Being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they thank you for doing so is a High Art by my way of thinking. I do prefer 'plain' speaking, but sometimes, and some circumstances, do require that higher art of communicating. One being, I think, public speaking, (which I think also includes Twitter).

                      I liked your link, and even agreed with the "translations" - except I wish it hadn't left me hanging with that last non-stated translation. Since I don't share similar perspectives, I am left wondering. (the "spurious" and "blood and soil" ones were easy to spot)

                      Here it is:

                      "He said, "We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did. We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.”

                      What would be your translation?

                      GA

              2. jackclee lm profile image80
                jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Let me jump in and comment. McCain is a proponent of one world order along the same line as GHW Bush...
                It is very dangerous not only to our country but to the free world.
                It should be abundantly clear that the UN is a failed entity and has not prevented one war or conflict and in fact was the cause of many abuses and corruption to this day.
                We cannot turn over our soverignty to a world government that is so corrupt to the core and will use climate change to get their agenda...

                McCain is not a Republican and has never been Conservative IMHO. He has tried to work with Democrats by reaching across the aisle but when Democrats are in power, they did not reciprocate.
                His gang of 8 in various forms only undermine Conservatives at every turn.
                He is the ultimate RINO.

                1. GA Anderson profile image81
                  GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Hi jackclee, you are always welcome to jump in. but, you response is to a question that wasn't asked.

                  I was questioning agreement with the concept of the words of the speech, not whether or not its reference to Pres. Trump was accurate. That I agree with McCain's inferences is neither here nor there.

                  I think that to take issue with the concept of the speech - merely because of its inferred villain is a dangerous attitude for our nation. Sort of like that old saying about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

                  GA

        3. colorfulone profile image85
          colorfuloneposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          John McCain in my opinion is a Globalist and he is anti-American, anti-Nationalist.  Total RINO elite.  I haven't been able to stand him since I heard and saw him the first time on TV.  He is simply on the wrong side of history.

          Globalists vs Populists

        4. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Good people don't spit on a dying man who spent his life serving his country. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image87
            Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            I served my country, I screw my courage to the sticking place plenty of times, I don't need your permission to express my disdain for someone who I feel is doing this country harm, who is corrupt, and who brings hardship to Americans and America's interests with his actions.

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              You don't need my permission for anything. It's simply shameful for anyone to spit on a dying man who has served his country his entire life.

          2. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            McCain did this to himself. He has been riding on his military career and POW... war hero... all his political career. He has very little to show for it. No one is spitting on him. We are just pointing out the hypocrisy of this man. Just because he was a war hero does not give him a pass. On the subject of healthcare, it is affecting everyone in the country for generations to come. For him to assume the role of saving it single handed just boggles my mind. He must realize that this bill will go down in flames in a few years and nothing is done about it. What was he thinking?

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Calling a dying man an "anti-American, lying POS politician" is spitting on him.

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                There is nothing to redeem these sorts that insult a man who set the example of courage and love of country compared with a stupid clown in the Oval Office that speaks to us about "financial courage" in its stead.

                McCain is too conservative for me, but I recognize a real man when I see it. If I am going to err, it's going to be in favor of such a man

                I don't care what the right wingers say. If someone having a record like John McCain speaks, I am going to do more than just pay the usual amount of attention.

      4. promisem profile image97
        promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        He is a Republican with a conscience. That makes him a rare thing in Congress these days.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          John McCain is the Manchurian candidate. It is scary to think he almost became President in 2008. But then, we didn't do any bettr with Barack Husein Obama.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Jack, do you think that Trump succeeding to become president where McCain failed is influencing his behavior?  McCain has been a senator a long time.  He thought he was entitled to run for president and lost.  Here comes Trump, who never previously held any type of public office, winning the biggest game in town.  Could McCain be acting out of his personal animosity toward Trump and not caring about what he promised his voters?

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              This is part of it. It shows how petty these senators are. They feel entitled and better and smarter than their constituants. I also think he was never a conservative and idealogically more aligned with the liberal wing of the party and therefore he is a RINO.
              Even more reason for him to support Trump because Trump is also not a conservative. He is a pragmatist and wants solutions even if he has to compromise where as most conservatives are principled Constitutionalist. Too bad for a man to retire after so many years of public service with little to show for it.

      5. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        McCain a Russian puppet?
        On April 17, 2007, the Wall Street Journal reported Russian businessmen who made fortunes in the wide-open 1990s amid the Soviet Union’s disintegration were hiring Washington insiders “to persuade investors and regulators they are committed to good corporate governance.”

        The Wall Street Journal noted that in 2005, Deripaska hired Bob Dole’s consulting firm for a $560,000 fee to help Deripaska to obtain a visa to visit the United States, ignoring charges from Deripaska’s rivals that Deripaska had been trying to bribe U.S. officials to obtain the coveted visa.

        Dole had nearly chosen McCain as his running mate in 1996, and Dole’s lobbying partner at the time was McCain aide Bruce Jackson.

        On May 11, 2007, Reuters reported the backstory to the Deripaska visa controversy, noting the U.S. government in July that year had revoked Deripaska’s 2005 multi-entry visa, possibly because of concerns that Deripaska had ties to organized crime in Russia.

        Deripaska being barred from the United States cost him billions of dollars as the U.S. cancellation of his entry visa occurred just as Deripaska and his fellow shareholders in aluminum company RusAl were seeking to go public, launching an Initial Public Offering (IPO) in London that would have generated up to $10 billion for Deripaska and his fellow shareholders.

        As long as Deripaska was barred from entering the United States, the London IPO was on hold, as U.S.-based institutional investors could never take a position in a company believed tied to Russian organized crime figures in the background.   Deripaska’s chief business partner in London was Nathaniel

        McCain’s ties to Deripaska
        On January 25, 2008, Jeffrey Birnbaum and John Solomon reported in the Washington Post that Rick Davis, then Sen. John McCain’s campaign manager, helped arrange two meetings between McCain and Deripaska in 2006 when McCain was overseas on official congressional trips.

        When the first meeting was arranged, in January 2006, Davis was a partner with Manafort in Davis Manafort, then a Washington-based lobbying firm that was being paid to provide political advice to pro-Russian and oligarch-funded candidates in Ukraine, according to the Washington Post report.  Davis was McCain’s campaign manager for both his serious presidential runs, in 2000 and again in 2008.

        Birnbaum and Solomon also noted that at the time of the meeting with Deripaska, McCain was publicly supporting Viktor Yuschenko in Ukraine, a pro-Western reformer who led the 2004 Orange Revolution and was poisoned by dioxin during the campaign.  In 2004, Manafort and Davis worked for Yuschencko’s opponent, Viktor Yanukovych, who was backed by Putin, and his Party of Regions.

        The Washington Post described the January 2006 meeting between McCain and Deripaska as follows:
        The first gathering that brought McCain and Deripaska together occurred in January 2006, when McCain was part of a congressional delegation trip. He and a small group of senators, including Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) and John E. Sununu (R-N.H.), met for a drink near Davos, Switzerland, at an apartment where they were greeted by Davis and Deripaska.

        The group then went to a dinner at the ski chalet of Peter Munk, founder of Barrick Gold, the world’s largest gold-mining company, based in Toronto. Participants at the buffet dinner said Munk complimented his sometime business partner Deripaska during his brief remarks to the 40 or so guests.

        The Washington Post noted the second meeting took place even months later, in August 2006, Davis attended a social gathering attended by McCain and Deripaska in Montenegro, another Eastern European country Davis and Manafort were representing at that time.

        Birnbaum and Solomon noted Davis was a paid consultant to the governing party in Montenegro.  Following the dinner, a group from the dinner took boats out to a nearby yacht in the Adriatic Sea, where champagne and pastry were served, celebrating McCain’s 70th birthday, though neither McCain nor Davis subsequently recalled Deripaska being on the yacht for the birthday celebration.

        The yacht party was hosted by Italian con-man Rafaello Follieri and his movie-star girlfriend Anne Hathaway, at the time when Follieri, represented by Doug Band’s Teneo consulting firm had committed a $1 million-dollar contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

        In 2008, Follieri was convicted of defrauding investors of up to $6 million dollars by posing as an agent of the Vatican.

        Follieri pled guilty to fourteen counts of conspiracy, money laundering, and fraud, and served almost five years in a Pennsylvania prison before he was deported back to Italy.

        “Moscow on the Mediterranean”
        Reporting on the McCain meeting with Deripaska in Montenegro in August 2006, the Nation noted that Davis and Manafort had obtained a several-million-dollar contract to help run Montenegro’s independence referendum campaign in 2006.

        McCain also supported Montenegro independence, endorsing what the Nation described as a “simplistic notion of ‘independence’ from a country America had been at war with, in the late 1990s was all that mattered.”

        The Nation noted that Putin and the Kremlin were agreeable, noting that Russia had generally sided with Serbia against the West during the Balkans wars of the 1990s, but “for the Kremlin, cutting Montenegro free from Serbia meant dealing with a Montenegro that could be more easily controlled.”

        The Nation observed that the Kremlin had nicknamed Montenegro as “Moscow by the Mediterranean,” largely because “Russian oligarchs (including Deripaska) control huge chunks of the country’s industry and prized coastline – and Russian exert a powerful influence over the country’s political culture.”

        The Nation commented that “Russia’s virtual takeover of Montenegro was well underway in January 2006, when Rick Davis introduced Deripaska to McCain at a villa in Davos, Switzerland.”

        The Nation also reported that when Rick Davis arranged the meeting in Montenegro between McCain and Deripaska, Davis was lobbying hard for Davis Manafort to run the Montenegro referendum campaign, and Bob Dole’s lobbying firm had been paid $1.38 million by the Montenegro government since 2001 to lobby for it in Washington.

        “Whether it was because of Dole or, as some speculate, the Russians, Davis got his deal,” the Nation concluded.

    4. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

      With RINO like him and others, why do we have two parties?
      A joke and the swamp is alive and well.

    5. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

      Perhaps, McCain is doing us a favor. He wants ACA to fail and let the democats take the blame. After it collapses in a year or two, we can rescue it...

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Who's "we"? Republican clowns that don't have an answer for anything?

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          We are the true Conservative GOP members, not McCain and not Ryan and not McConnell...

          1. ptosis profile image81
            ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Sounds like the GOP is fracturing.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image71
              Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I've heard that many 'analysts' now consider the GOP to be two different parties in one big party that hasn't actually split, yet. Supposedly, its coming. We'll see how accurate they are, ha!

            2. SylviaSky profile image95
              SylviaSkyposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Hard hearts and hate always lose. They always have and always will. I used to respect conservatives because conservatives faced the facts. When the Republicans aligned with willful ignorance  they sold their souls.

              1. jackclee lm profile image80
                jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                It is funny how both parties in past 8 years screwed up our healthcare and economy and you blame it on Conservatives-who had nothing to do with what transpired and are only trying to fix it...
                In my mind, it is the Democrats, and RINO congress that are the problem who can't seem to do anything...

                1. ptosis profile image81
                  ptosisposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You're so silly - you're almost cute

              2. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                As a former Republican with Republican friends and relatives, I believe plenty of them are still good and well-meaning people.

                It's just that extremists have taken over the party leadership. And extremist followers shout loudly while the reasonable ones are bullied into silence.

    6. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

      When I see this quote from NY Senator Chuck Schumer -
      "John McCain shows the same courage in Congress that he showed when he was a naval aviator," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "I have assured Sen. McCain that as soon as repeal is off the table, we Democrats are intent on resuming the bipartisan process."

      I am convinced Senator McCain has lost his sense of balance.

    7. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

      I think the bigger picture is that we need something in place in regards to national health care.  Until the Republicans can field a viable alternative I can see senators such as McCain saying no at the moment.

      Is it too much to ask the Congress to put the American people first and come up with a workable model that can replace a broken before it got off the ground system? I don't think so.

      1. ptosis profile image81
        ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Medicare for all should be the goal as originally intended.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          What, in your opinion, should we give up to pay for it?  The military?  Food Stamps, section 8 housing and WIC?  Half of each?

          1. ptosis profile image81
            ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I'm not a budgetary expert. I'm just thankful that I'm born into a country as a citizen and not stateless like the Rohingya.

            http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur … 42812.html


            I'm in a very good mood which is SO RARE for me. like maybe 2-3 days out of the year.  - So give it a few hours, I'm sure the old cranky me will return with a vengeance.

    8. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 7 weeks ago

      Even former presidents are eluding without naming JOTUS45

      Bush43:
      “We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism, forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America,” Mr. Bush said. “We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade, forgetting that conflict, instability and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism. We’ve seen the return of isolationist sentiments, forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places.

      “bigotry seems emboldened” and “our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication.”

      “Bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone, provides permission for cruelty and bigotry and compromises the moral education of children,

      Obama44:
      “Some of the politics we see now, we thought we put that to bed. That has folks looking 50 years back. It’s the 21st century, not the 19th century. Come on!”

      “Instead of looking for ways to work together to get things done in a practical way, we’ve got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonize people who have different ideas, to get the base all riled up because it provides a short-term tactical advantage.”

      ________________________

      “The two presidents speaking out so forcefully and eloquently is a warning that some basic principles of democracy that both parties have long supported at home and abroad are in jeopardy,” said Antony J. Blinken,

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Unfortunately, they are both wrong. It is the globalist and one world order speaking and not standing up for America.
        The discussion for our country going back to the last election is what do we want as a country?
        It is two very different world views.
        On the one hand, do you want us to be an open borders society like what is going on with the EU and have floods of immigrants coming over our borders...and support the UN and the IPCC and its climate change agenda? And exporting our jobs with outsourcing?

        On the other hand, do you want a US first policy to defend our borders, to stop the climate change agenda of taxing the rich countries to distribute to the 3rd world and doing it selectively...? And bringing jobs and manufacturing plants back with a more equitable and competitive tax and trade policies..?

        You can call it nationalism but there is a reason we have contries and borders. We have voted for soverignty as a nation and want to protect our country as an independent entity and not be like Germany.

        The bottom line is, there is nothing wrong with putting America and Americans first. They are the forgotten population in past administrations both Democrat and Republicsns... they have been hijacked by the globalist and crony capitalist with there donations and lobbyists. It is high time our elected officials do the bidding of the people who elected them and not the Soros of the world.

        1. ptosis profile image81
          ptosisposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          I'm so glad that you are more knowledgeable in statesmanship than two former POTUS - I'm humbled to be in your presence.

      2. SylviaSky profile image95
        SylviaSkyposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        There's no one better-suited to discuss the job and the nation than two men who have held that job, each for eight years, and from two different parties. They know their stuff. And God bless John McCain for knowing right from wrong regardless of which party he signed up for.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image87
          Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Clinton, Bush, Obama... all the same, Democrats in control of Congress, Republicans, all the same.

          People who voted for Trump by a large majority voted for him simply because he was the 'anti-Establishment' option.  He pointed at the corrupt and criminal cesspool of politicians in D.C. and called them for what they were. 

          So yes, there is a divide in America, those who realize their government hasn't been working for the people's benefit, but rather, selling the people out.  And those that still have no clue, because they are tuned in to the pettiness of politics, choosing sides, and listening to the idiot talking heads in the MSM who are paid to keep them ignorant.

          Yes, the 'establishment' is pulling out all the stops.  But I ask you, Obama was worth what when he ran to become President?  How many hundreds of millions is he worth now?  The Bush family, exactly how many hundreds of millions are they worth?  McCain, do you know how many hundreds of millions he (and his wife) are worth?

          These lifetime political figures, didn't pass NAFTA to benefit you, didn't repeal Glass Steagall to benefit you,didn't pass Obamacare to benefit you, didn't decide to allow open borders to benefit you, none of this benefited the American workers or American citizens.  Again, all it takes is a little effort, a little research, to find the facts, to learn who really benefits, and who really has paid the price over the last quarter century.

          1. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Agree 100% +++

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              John McCain speech receiving the liberty medal -
              Shocking...
              http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/ … index.html

          2. colorfulone profile image85
            colorfuloneposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Wow, that is powerful.   I got charged.

          3. Misfit Chick profile image71
            Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            "Clinton, Bush, Obama... all the same, Democrats in control of Congress, Republicans, all the same."

            Absolutely agree.

            "People who voted for Trump by a large majority voted for him simply because he was the 'anti-Establishment' option.  He pointed at the corrupt and criminal cesspool of politicians in D.C. and called them for what they were."

            Actually, he just played the 'mouthy' game really really well and impressed you. It is amazing to me how many people believe that there is actually a 'deep state' - and yet, are so damn sure that THEY have it all figured out. Ken et all are part of the group of very special humans in this world who are somehow immune to the manipulations of our shadow government.

            Currently, the shadows have been creating havok by causing divisions between us to go as deep & wide as possible... and then deeper still. It is obvious, since they are using the same tired, rehashed arguments they have always used to divide & conquer us.

            ANYONE who believes that they have everything figured out; AND are sure that they know who to trust and who not to trust - is seriously fooling themselves. Trump is a freaking poster child for the deep state. Hopefully you figure that out before its too late.

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              For those who are Trump haters, I ask a simple question. What specifically has he done in the last 9 months that warrant your hatred?
              I would like a simple answer please.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image87
                Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                Lol... I can see you are still waiting for one four days later.  Jack, why don't you try out Minds.com, you might find the people there a little more open minded to the thoughts and ideas we share. I will be doing the bulk of my 'posting' on there from now on.  https://www.minds.com/KenBurgess

                1. Misfit Chick profile image71
                  Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  This actually looks like it would be a neat little place to hang out. It reminds me of Twitter, ha! You've got quite the long list of worldwide atrocities going on there, Ken.

                  The problem with 'collecting' these things is that - while they ARE actual physically-based things that you can see and wrap your mind around; they are actually only ENERGY manifesting as a mirror for society so that we know 'where we stand'. No, its not a prettty picture - but they CAN be 'unmanifested' as easily, no matter how overwhelming these situations seem to be right now.

                  Continuing to gather, think about and talk about them is good for us only to a certain extent - because that is how we humans sort through our 'contrast' in order to make decisions about our lives. But, to constantly put your attention to this stuff in an obsessive way only attracts more minds to them to make them BIGGER - since they are actually 'reflecting energy'; and we are MADE of energy. That is what our emotion are: energy in motion.

                  We are never going to solve the huge problems of this world by highlighting them. We have to let them go and literally 'lay new pipes' on top of the old ones. We do that in the same way we built the old pipes - with our minds.

                  Start thinking about the things you WANT and how they will make you feel - instead of thinking about how things are. Our minds are far more powerful than we ever knew - that's how this stuff got so bad in the first place. Now we have to learn how to repair the messes we've made. Look up Law of Attraction.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image87
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    This is true, this is something Tesla himself preached (not verbatim but close enough) what you focus your mind has a good chance of becoming reality, to a certain degree... if you think you are doomed to fail in life and always get fired from jobs and never have a good life, then this is likely what will become of your life.  If you spend your life sitting around stewing about how wronged you are, and how it is the fault of the other sex, or race, or religion, then nothing positive is likely to come of your efforts or your life, however you may become a bringer of harm and hate to others.

                    If my 'collection' on there seems a collection of 'worldwide atrocities' then I need to review my content and correct and balance the content and the message I want to provide from it.

                    My ultimate goal would be to provide an alternative view from the misinformation fed by our MSM, and to counter what I perceive to be a dangerous anti-American, anti-western, anti-white, anti-Christian movements in the MSM and the majority of vocal and violent movements in our society today.

                    We can see a STRONG effort to counter people who are patriotic, or Christian, or just average mind-their-own-business be-nice-to-others middle class Americans... without getting into 'conspiracy theory' areas, we can see this in the coverage of the riots and clashes over Civil War statues, and how they are covered in the media... this inflames the biases and prejudices.

                    And why?  Who decided all of a sudden that these statues needed to be torn down, who organized these groups, who funded the organizers? 

                    While I want to help people think, and get beyond the issues of race or political party to look at the bigger picture, to look at why we are constantly being prodded by the media .. I also want to provide some positive and beneficial information and insights... I will have to re-evaluate the content, and give it a better balance.

                    I appreciate you sharing your perspective on it.

              2. Misfit Chick profile image71
                Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                I've answered this question lots of times... I don't hate Trump. I hate the way he has divided us DEEPER along the same damn 'fault lines' that have always divided us. As I've said, the deep state knows no new tricks; and he is obviously part of their agenda. The agenda is division, mistrust & chaos that is intended to eventually have us BEGGING for military rule. All Trump does is attempt to provoke anger or fear in people. There is no semblance for unity for the people of this country in either his words or actions.

                You think you voted for Trump to 'bring change' - so did everyone who voted for Obama. But, you didn't vote someone into office that the deep state didn't INTEND to put in there. You jumped through their hoops like good little boys & girls; and voted exactly the way they wanted you to vote - and now you think you know everything and did something good for this country.

                There is always 'good' in everything - silver lining, make lemonade, etc. Causing people to realize the existence of a deep state is pretty much the 'good' that Trump has brought. It isn't meant to be a soothing, healing salve - it is meant to be more like the sting of pouring alcohol on a festering wound. It hurts like hell, but healing will eventually come.

                1. ahorseback profile image81
                  ahorsebackposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Interesting that some don't consider the very nature of Pres. Obama's divisiveness in leadership style negative  , as the do with Trumps ?

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image71
                    Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    No. One person's 'divisiveness in leadership style' is other person's reason to celebrate - as you can tell every time Trump does something you like that the majority of the rest of us hate.

                    I am not sticking up for Obama in a 'he did everything right' way... But, as much as people hated him and his family, they didn't toss insults & offensive accusations around like candy at a parade in order to prick the people who disliked him the most - the hardest.

                    He ALSO didn't completely ignore the opposing side - in fact, the 'progessive', BIpartisan policies he was trying to create were considered to be offensive (and still are - OMG, the NERVE!). Obama was an attempt by the deep state to console people after the middle east 'conflicts' were handled so badly by the right wing. I mean, LOOK - they even allowed someone who not ONLY had dark skin into the potus slot; BUT he had the same kind of scary-sounding Muslim name of our 'enemies'.

                    Don't TELL us that America is not an open-minded, FREE country!!!

                    While the contrast between Obama and Trump seems stark - they are both puppets; and every damn potus will continue to be a puppet UNTIL the deep state finally falls. That obviously hasn't happened, yet; and it won't until we realize that we're all being manipulated, unite - and decide to create something else.

                    There's no hurry... Things are on track. Destruction happens before reconstruction. smile

                    1. ahorseback profile image81
                      ahorsebackposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                      Right ,...... In the leadership of  Obama ,  choosing the passive aggressive style of dividing races with" beer garden " tactics is just as bad and worse than directly dividing people.  By insinuating that racism exists in speech and action  and by operating outside of constitutional law by executive order ?

                      You mean THAT kind of divisive leadership style ?

                2. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "I hate the way he has divided us DEEPER along the same damn 'fault lines' that have always divided us."

                  Is it Trump or is people that will neither cut any slack whatsoever and/or refuse to accept a President without their own ideology?

                  "All Trump does is attempt to provoke anger or fear in people."

                  Just curious, but do you really believe that Trump makes a concerted effort much of the time to provoke anger or fear in people?  Or is it, once more, people that exaggerate anything said and actively look for a reason to claim fear or anger?  I know he says some pretty nasty things in response to perceived attacks, but beyond that?

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image71
                    Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    It is no use arguing about this with you, wilderness... You and people like you who don't see anything wrong with Trump's disposition toward pockets of people or the world can't be convinced that he has done anything wrong.

                    Believe it or not, I don't even read much left-wing stuff anymore - because they ARE all crying so pathetically in their spilled milk, LoL! But, Trump basically pisses in it at the same time - TAUNTING them and making wild accusation that can be clearly-seen on Twitter.

                    He cares NOTHING about this country - only the agenda that he is on. He knows what he says will cause controversy and it is OBVIOUSLY what he wants. He manipulates the media in that way. The agenda that he is on is not necessarily the one that you think he is on. Hell, his agenda is not necessarily the one that HE thinks he is on, LoL!

                3. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  So did you compaint as hard about President Obama when he divided the nation by race, and by gender and by sexual orientation and by economic status?
                  He did all of the above...
                  He was admired and praised by the media and the left.

                  Trump on the other hand did not do any of it. He is no boy scout but at least from what I see, he is trying to upset the Status quo in DC and clean house and do the bidding of the people who elected him...
                  So far he is getting resistance from both the left and the inner class in Washington. The RINO republicans like McCain still don't get it.

                  They will go down in defeat in the next election cycle...

                  1. ahorseback profile image81
                    ahorsebackposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    +1,000,000,000, .........And that IS the difference between Trump - Obama - Clinton, You couldn't have said that better .

                  2. Misfit Chick profile image71
                    Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "So did you compaint as hard about President Obama when he divided the nation by race, and by gender and by sexual orientation and by economic status?"

                    Obama didn't do those things, our country was already divided in those ways. The GOP and their pundits somehow made you believe that every problem this country had on his first day in office was all his fault. Obama was no savior; but he isn't quite the evil being you've been led to believe, either. Its the same way with Trump. He is simply fulfilling his purpose to the best of his ability, ha!

                    Lies, fight, manipulate, fight - that is how the deep state works. And they have you helping. There can be no peace as long as we continue to let them divide and manipulate our minds.

                    I've told you many times, Jack - diversify your media sources if you're so obsessed with this stuff that you just CAN'T walk away from it for long. Not so that you 'get the facts right'; but so that your mind gets a little less cozy in the manipulated rut that it is in.

                    I am actually a little familiar with many of the conspiracies you and Ken insist on regurgitating for that reason - and you're right, not ALL of them are 'conspiracies'. That doesn't necessarily mean that you should make yourself sick over them.

                    1. jackclee lm profile image80
                      jackclee lmposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                      I know the country was divided before Obama but he was suppose to be the uniter instead he did the opposite with each incident. He allowed OWS and BLM to create havoc and undermined the police.

                      As far as the latest events, we on the conservative right are proven correct. The whole Russia scandal was the doings created by the media and now the chickens are coming home... it turned out DNC and Hillary are the real Russian scandal...about to be unfolded...

                4. Ken Burgess profile image87
                  Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Misfit, you are always so close to seeing things as I do, even if you may think you oppose where I stand on the issues.  So lets say that everything I quoted above is correct (not saying I 100% am in agreement) and consider WHO it is that is directing things to go the way they are going and WHY.

                  In order to really address the REAL problems we have, don't we need to get past the Democrat vs Republican, the Liberal vs Conservative?

                  Don't we have to be willing to realize that Congress answers to powerful corporations and banks (to say nothing of the Federal Reserve which is a private bank not controlled by the nation)?

                  Once we accept that fact, once we are educated enough to understand that of the 100 greatest economies on earth, 60 of them are Corporations or Banks, NOT nations... then we begin to realize who has the real power, and who benefits from destroying national unity, cultural identity, keeping people fighting amongst one another because of real or supposed past crimes against 'their people' generations ago, or because of religion, sex, or political ideology.

                  Politics (especially in the form of identify and separate) has become the new religion for a growing majority of Americans.

                  Religion has had a strong role to play in civilization and society in the past.  However, the incredible speed with which technological advances have occurred over the last 100 years has put a strain on all social norms, on the fabric of civilization itself, most of all on religion.  

                  And as more and more people, especially those with higher education, experience or IQ to entertain higher thoughts of cognizant reasoning and rationalization, disassociate themselves or deny Religion, a new way of controlling, or at least distracting the population had to be found.

                  Religion is still the best way to maintain control and give meaning to the majority of the masses. Also, extremist religious activity can give a sense of meaning, control, power, to men who have no purpose or self worth otherwise, this needs to be identified as a primary reason why Islamic beliefs are garnering such widespread acceptance and support in places like France, the UK, and elsewhere... where millions of young men stew without purpose in life or worth. But that is another matter.

                  There is an effort by a group of billionaires and trillionaires (like Soros) to feed the frenzy of divide, based on race, sex, political or religious belief.  But Identifying WHAT the 'establishment' is would be required in order to fight it.  Many dance around the issue, they come close, but they don't want to label it, don't want to truly identify it, for fear of being 'labeled' themselves.  

                  Until people are willing to throw off the fears of labels and being identified, and are willing as well to rid themselves of irrational bias and hate, and just accept the facts, and speak the truth, plainly, openly without fear and without irrational hatred or bias, nothing will ever be accomplished to alter it.

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image71
                    Misfit Chickposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    You're right, I agree with the majority of what you say except for 2 things:

                    "And as more and more people, especially those with higher education, experience or IQ to entertain higher thoughts of cognizant reasoning and rationalization, disassociate themselves or deny Religion, a new way of controlling, or at least distracting the population had to be found [through politics becoming the 'new religion' in the here & now]."

                    There have always been people of 'high-ranks' and otherwise who knew variations of what is actually going on in this world; along with hordes of people who do not - AND there have always been avenues of politics or social reform or philosphy, etc., for people who are not attracted to religions to be drawn to - plus, it is easy to draw people from religions into those more 'generic' things.

                    So, I don't agree with you that this is a 'new political wave' happening... If the talking points were new, I would be more prone to agree with you. But they are not, they are still centered around things like racism and (as you've said) Conservative vs Liberal, etc. People have always enjoyed debating politics; and it has ALWAYS been as much (if not moreso) an avenue of disinformation as it is 'helpful for the people'.

                    I don't see this election as being any different - other than it is so much easier for people to see just how chaotic things have become. I am someone who would have considered myself to 'be on top' of the situation as it was coming down (this 'deep state' stuff was not new to me) - but we were all in our own cozy little worlds thinking that there was nothing to worry about. We needed a wake-up call. I give Trump creds for that.

                    "But Identifying WHAT the 'establishment' is would be required in order to fight it."

                    That is SO not necessary... Although it is built into our human brains that we NEED to WORK HARD and FIGHT in order to change things the way we want them to be. Maybe you're right, but on the other hand... adding a little balance by doing a little 'good dreaming' about the way you actually want the short-term future to turn out might do more 'good' than you can currently imagine.

                    The deep state isn't going to fall by any 'physical' means (or not any 'one' physical war or whatever) - its WAY too damn gargantuan and DYNAMIC (think of a 'network' built throughout our society). It doesn't hurt to 'keep tabs' on it - just don't let yourself become so obsessed that the idea of it sucks you in. We have more control over our own lives than we have been led to believe - JUST because we are 'made of energy' and are 'energy in motion'. It has been one of the 'big secrets' - admittedly, among many - that have been kept from us.

                    The deep state exist because they created beLIEfs for them to exist upon... Those beliefs are crumbling. It is far more likely that the deep state will simply & eventually 'dissolve' without us realizing it - kind of like flour into gravy.

                    We just need to hang on and not let them provoke us into an even bigger mess that they will have to 'save' us from...

        2. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Excellent point. Bush and Obama have the credibility and responsibility to speak out against Trump. And yes, God bless John McCain.

    9. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 6 weeks ago

      And who funds OWS -
      http://humanevents.com/2011/10/21/georg … ll-street/

      No one funded The TEA party, it was a home grown grass root movement.

    10. Randy Godwin profile image96
      Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks ago

      I agree Ken, just like Fox News! tongue

      1. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        Well its probably a good thing I don't watch it then, or any MSM/tv, and haven't for months now. 

        What I see of the news produced from TV shows is limited to an occasional youtube clip.  And what I might catch in a restaurant or airport.

    11. Randy Godwin profile image96
      Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks ago

      So you're just sorta guessing then, eh Ken?

      1. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        Actually reading news sources like the WSJ, and select sites on the internet, supply me with as much information as I feel I need.  You should try it sometime, reading they say stimulates the brain.

    12. ahorseback profile image81
      ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago

      Media Today ;
      "Reading they say stimulates the brain "............It's a pretty good bet that most people under forty or so  in America not only  are oblivious to real news ,  they don't know our history , they wouldn't know reality in politics if it bit them in the diapers .      WE have reached an age  where history has been  RE-written by the education systems from the first grade up , the mainstream media is mostly tabloid filled liberal B.S. . Face Book is the only mentality in media that so many  understand .

      Who is really surprised that there are so many America haters here ?

    13. ahorseback profile image81
      ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago

      Media Today ; My Opinion
      "Reading they say stimulates the brain "............It's a pretty good bet that most people under forty or so  in America not only  are oblivious to real news ,  they don't know our history , they wouldn't know reality in politics if it bit them in the diapers .      WE have reached an age  where history has been  RE-written by the education systems from the first grade up , the mainstream media is mostly tabloid filled liberal B.S. . Face Book is the only mentality in media that so many  understand .

      Who is really surprised that there are so many America haters here ?

     
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