What's your take?
Here's how I see it. Both sides are playing politics right now. By allowing CHIP to run out and Trump rescinding DACA, that gave the GOP bargaining in legislation. The Dems are using the budget to offset those.
Neither side is doing right. Messing with military and government pay is bad. Holding kids hostage for legislation is bad. All parties are at fault here.
Yes it is a mess, Val, but it does seem consistent with Trump's entire first year in office. Unless we oust the moron, even worse is sure to come.
The country and millions of people desperately require "X". If you won't give me "A,B and C" you can't have "X".
You're right - it is inexcusable. Using the lives of the citizenry as bargaining chips in political games is NOT what we elected legislators to do.
Shutting down the government to pay for illegals is bad. This is the primary issue. Democrats need illegals to come in to this country and vote for them in order to win elections which is why they are against voter ID laws. It's pretty cut and dry.
Disagree. The primary issue is our politicians playing political games with the lives of our people. Holding the food on the table of military families hostage to force their version of a ticklish, touchy and controversial problem onto the country is unacceptable and not why you were elected.
That and an apparent total failure to understand that this kind of pathetic behavior is NOT acceptable to the American public and is a primary reason Trump was elected. We're tired of your games! Do your job or get out of town!
Speaking of the Don, how's he helping the situation? Have you viewed his statements on how Obama should have acted when the cons shut the govt. down? And besides, why should we pay for the wall when Don said Mexico would? Did you buy that line?
What would you have him do? Arrange a hit squad for anyone voting to shut the country down?
I thought he'd "get in there and work with the parties" like he said Obama should have done in 2013. Then I remembered what a liar he is. What about Mexico paying for the wall? Did you believe that horse hockey?
How do you "work with" people that say "If I don't get my way I'll shut down the govt."? Give in to any demands they have, regardless of whether they're good or bad? Ignore the need for discussion and compromise? Hoping as you do so that the people actually voting will follow along and appease the blackmailers? Would you have "worked with" those blackmailers were the added crap to donate a billion $$ to each of them?
You really think that's the way to run the legislature? How about in a discussion of funding the govt. we actually discuss funding the govt. rather than blackmailing with irrelevant matters?
(Haven't a clue what the wall has to do with DACA or the money to pay our military personnel. Please...try to stay on topic instead of introducing irrelevant matters. Leave that to the blackmailers in congress.)
Dick Durban and Lindsay Graham have both stated they had a deal that would garner 70 votes. That deal was rejected by Trump after the the anti-immigration wing of his staff got to him.
Trump doesn't know what he wanrs. The self-professed deal maker killed the deal that would have avoided a shutdown. The f@ck@up strikes again.
You mean the one to provide funding for 5 days, whereupon it starts all over again? The one that had not gone through the House yet? That one?
Fact remains that a bill was presented and voted down.
I don't know what you're talking about. This was the deal:
Allowing young unauthorized immigrants who came to the US as children to get legal status and eventually citizenship.
Preventing “chain migration” by preventing parents of DREAMers from becoming US citizens.
Eliminating the diversity visa lottery and reallocating the 50,000 visas currently used for it
$2.7 billion for border security' including 1.6 billion for "the wall."
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/ … index.html
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880360/ … daca-trump
I don't see anything about funding the govt. And you've forgotten to mention that parents of dreamers (which means most of the illegals in the country) would be given permanent legal status, if not citizenship. Was that the deal breaker? Or was it that the 200,000 "temporary" Protected Status (that has been effect for 20 years) would be made permanent?
Why can't we just fund the government? I understand the frustration that congress won't move on DACA, leaving no other option but deportation, but let's get the government funded first!
Um, this was the deal that the bipartisan group of legislators presented to Trump and he rejected. This was the one that blew up after the meeting at the White House. This is the one that Durbin and Graham agreed had a good chance of passing both the House and Senate. Trump rejected it.
That is why there is now no deal. This deal had something for both sides.
Yes it did. A free pass for millions of (non-DACA) illegals. A second chance to shut it all down in a week. And another free pass to hundreds of thousands of "temporary" refugees that never bothered to go home. "Reallocation" of immigrants to countries deemed not to have enough, with no mention of merit. And more money than can be spent this year on a wall.
All coupled with the near-certainty that the House would not approve it.
Why can't we just fund the government and leave the rest for real, honest negotiation without the blackmail? Don't get me wrong here - Trump is nearly as guilty as the rest, but that isn't a reason not to provide what the country needs...before tackling the hard jobs. Plus, of course, congress had the opportunity to really put the coals to his feet, and stopped short of doing it. Why? Because they didn't actually have the votes?
Sure wish we'd been in that meeting!
Funding on parts of the wall and added security were included in the bill worked out by Graham and Durbin. Trump refused to accept it and here we are now. Is that on topic enough for you, Dan?
On the flip side, what measures do you take when those in the majority ignore the concerns of your constituents? Tax bill process being the example given.
You reap what you sow.
The GOP is running ads saying anyone who dies due to a stoppage in Govt. services is the fault of the Democrats. Sounds like something straight from Fox and Limbaugh.
If how the Tax bill passage is the example of real, honest negotiation, then is it any wonder Dems felt the need to fight now?
by Ralph Schwartz 11 months ago
I'm tired of hearing about a Government shutdown just to save the non-existent rights of Illegal AliensI'm tired of officials who were elected to represent Americans putting the interests of non-citizens ahead of citizensI'm tired of listening to the media praise the "valiant efforts" of...
by Mike Russo 4 years ago
Read this article from the NY Times. It's about a well planned, highly funded conspiracy to shutdown the government if Obama Care is not defunded. Please share this with everybody you know. The republican extremists are not playing by the rules of democracy and are making a...
by harmony155 5 years ago
For those of you non-Americans, what is your view of the US government shutdown?
by AnalogousMethod 5 years ago
Due to the government shutdown, we had to pay people to make new websites telling you that we can't afford to run our websites. The new websites are using the same already-paid-for domains and already-paid-for hosting that the old websites were using, but we still can't keep them up because we need...
by Jack Lee 24 hours ago
This forum discussion is to find solution to our current immigration crisis. The wall is one component but not the only method.The topic of funding this wall is in the news. What is the best way to build the wall?President Trump has said Mexico should pay for it.Practically speaking, who should...
by ptosis 7 years ago
Government shutdown: Why can't we simply stop building F-35's? Where in the world do we need these?The United States intends to buy a total of 2,443 aircraft for an estimated US$323 billion, making it the most expensive defense program ever. Yet the ways Gov't is trying to save money is to charge a...
Copyright © 2018 HubPages Inc. and respective owners. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. HubPages® is a registered Service Mark of HubPages, Inc. HubPages and Hubbers (authors) may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, Google, and others.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|