The Government Shutdown...

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  1. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 11 months ago

    What's your take?

    Here's how I see it.  Both sides are playing politics right now.  By allowing CHIP to run out and Trump rescinding DACA, that gave the GOP bargaining in legislation.  The Dems are using the budget to offset those. 

    Neither side is doing right.  Messing with military and government pay is bad.  Holding kids hostage for legislation is bad.  All parties are at fault here.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image91
      Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Yes it is a mess, Val, but it does seem consistent with Trump's entire first year in office. Unless we oust the moron, even worse is sure to come.

    2. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      The country and millions of people desperately require "X".  If you won't give me "A,B and C" you can't have "X".

      You're right - it is inexcusable.  Using the lives of the citizenry as bargaining chips in political games is NOT what we elected legislators to do.

    3. Onusonus profile image78
      Onusonusposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Shutting down the government to pay for illegals is bad. This is the primary issue. Democrats need illegals to come in to this country and vote for them in order to win elections which is why they are against voter ID laws. It's pretty cut and dry.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Disagree.  The primary issue is our politicians playing political games with the lives of our people.  Holding the food on the table of military families hostage to force their version of a ticklish, touchy and controversial problem onto the country is unacceptable and not why you were elected.

        That and an apparent total failure to understand that this kind of pathetic behavior is NOT acceptable to the American public and is a primary reason Trump was elected.  We're tired of your games!  Do your job or get out of town!

        1. Randy Godwin profile image91
          Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Speaking of the Don, how's he helping the situation? Have you viewed his statements on how Obama should have acted when the cons shut the govt. down? And besides, why should we pay for the wall when Don said Mexico would? Did you buy that line?

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            What would you have him do?  Arrange a hit squad for anyone voting to shut the country down?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image91
              Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I thought he'd "get in there and work with the parties" like he said Obama should have done in 2013. Then I remembered what a liar he is. What about Mexico paying for the wall? Did you believe that horse hockey?

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                How do you "work with" people that say "If I don't get my way I'll shut down the govt."?  Give in to any demands they have, regardless of whether they're good or bad?  Ignore the need for discussion and compromise?  Hoping as you do so that the people actually voting will follow along and appease the blackmailers?  Would you have "worked with" those blackmailers were the added crap to donate a billion $$ to each of them?

                You really think that's the way to run the legislature?  How about in a discussion of funding the govt. we actually discuss funding the govt. rather than blackmailing with irrelevant matters?

                (Haven't a clue what the wall has to do with DACA or the money to pay our military personnel.  Please...try to stay on topic instead of introducing irrelevant matters.  Leave that to the blackmailers in congress.)

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Dick Durban and Lindsay Graham have both stated they had a deal that would garner 70 votes. That deal was rejected by Trump after the the anti-immigration wing of his staff got to him.

                  Trump doesn't know what he wanrs. The self-professed deal maker killed the deal that would have avoided a shutdown. The f@ck@up strikes again.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    You mean the one to provide funding for 5 days, whereupon it starts all over again?  The one that had not gone through the House yet?  That one?

                    Fact remains that a bill was presented and voted down.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image91
                  Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Funding on parts of the wall and added security were included in the bill worked out by Graham and Durbin. Trump refused to accept it and here we are now. Is that on topic enough for you, Dan?

    4. hglick profile image87
      hglickposted 11 months ago

      Bingo ---- Exactly right!!!

    5. Valeant profile image96
      Valeantposted 11 months ago

      On the flip side, what measures do you take when those in the majority ignore the concerns of your constituents?  Tax bill process being the example given. 

      You reap what you sow.

    6. Randy Godwin profile image91
      Randy Godwinposted 11 months ago

      lol The GOP is running ads saying anyone who dies due to a stoppage in Govt. services is the fault of the Democrats. Sounds like something straight from Fox and Limbaugh.

    7. Valeant profile image96
      Valeantposted 11 months ago

      If how the Tax bill passage is the example of real, honest negotiation, then is it any wonder Dems felt the need to fight now?

     
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