Did California violate our Constitution by granting illegals to vote?

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   This is on of those things that boggles the mind.
   Why would elected officials, who swear under oath to defend our Constitution,
   Do this in clear violation of that document.
   Only US citizens are allowed to vote in our elections!!!

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.wnd.com/2018/01/major-state- … matically/

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The same website claims that soy is turning our children into homosexuals.
      
      http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39253/

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So what’s your point?
         If NYT can publish a fake story, do you throw out everything else that appear in its paper?
         What peope think that way?
         You are so predictable.
         Just pointing out the obvious my friend...

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Prove to me the New York Times publishes fake stories. Then prove to me why they don't get sued for libel for publishing fakes.
            
            The predictability is all yours.

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      Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How about using the Los Angeles Times as a source for information? 
      
      Even though this license looks different and has specific limitations, Von Spakovsky said, it "makes it easier for them to use this government-issued ID for many illegal purposes, such as applying for government benefits or registering to vote."
      
      http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- … story.html

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         psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Not to let the facts get in the way, but illegals are allowed to vote in some local elections, so those voting roll, they may be on--entirely legally.
         
         But not Federal elections.  That's illegal.  If you actually are an immigrant, you learn these things very quickly, but some citizens don't seem to have the faintest idea how their own democracy functions.

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            jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, but does our officials know to check the ids? Or know the difference?
            It seems these agencies can’t do enough to recruit more dependents under the Obama years.
            How do you explained the explosion of SNAP receipients and also disability claims...
            and welfare payments?
            
            The American taxpayers are left holding the bag.
            Is it wonder California voted for Hillary by millions of more votes?
            It didn’t change the electoral votes.
            They could vote 100% democratic and it would still not change the outcome.
            It goes to show the genius of our founders...

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               psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Ever since these things were printed on paper it has been a matter of checking the ID against the roll and checking only one vote is recorded for that listing, originally by just drawing a line through the name and now by clicking a radio button.  So yes, it is a matter of record who is on each states roll and how many people on the roll vote.  Internally they know exactly who did vote and who didn't.
               
               In the US system where you can only use one polling station this can easily be done and there are no indications that there are major malfunctions.  But if people think there might be they get the courts to run an audit.  That's how we know off-roll votes are not being registered, because these audits have not found them.  People who are off roll simply cannot record a vote, the system will not allow it, without going to through quite an extensive process with multiple forms of ID and lodging an official form to get on-roll.

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                  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Are you saying an illegal alien, who lives in a house or apartment, and have a valid drivers license, cannot register to vote? If he choose to.
                  What is to prevent him from doing so?
                  He can register, and according to the article, in some states, it is automatic when you renew your drivers registration...
                  Now that he is registered, he shows up at the poll station where the ballots and directions are in multiple languages including English and Spanish...
                  He votes in our election, local or national, who is to stop him or challenge him?
                  No one is asking for id or proof of citizenship as far as I know...it is probably illegal to even ask...
                  
                  I am not saying it is happening in a large scale but, be honest, what will stop this activity?
                  There are plenty of things that are illegal and yet people do it anyway.
                  Our politicians seems to go out of their way to make this easy and possible and look the other way by not asking or passing voter IDs laws.
                  Am I crazy? Or what?

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Mike, I sincerely thank you for using a source of information that goes through an elaborate fact-checking process and doesn't hide its ownership.

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            Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Promisen, how about personal experience?  I lived in California for eight years. People had to vote in a person's house.  I saw people proclaim they were illegal being given ballots to vote.  I asked why and heard "Oh, what's the big deal." So, yeah, I saw it myself.  People taking stacks of absentee ballots and filling them out in their car and more, yeah, saw everything..

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               PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Did you report it? Those are serious violations of election law.

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                  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Many people reported it.  Nothing happened. Whenever a person asked the California elections office about the investigation into it, they were told it's not complete and we will tell you when it is done.  Never heard anything and by the time the next election came around, most people forgot about it.  Sad but true. So...did those votes influence elections?  We'll never know.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     So, just to be clear. Did you personally report the incidents you saw?

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                        PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Readmikenow, I am wondering if you personally reported the election law violations you witnessed?
                        
                        "I saw people proclaim they were illegal being given ballots to vote.  I asked why and heard "Oh, what's the big deal." So, yeah, I saw it myself.  People taking stacks of absentee ballots and filling them out in their car and more, yeah, saw everything.."

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                           Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Crickets....

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                           Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, and the details isn't something to discuss on a public forum.  It got involved.

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                              PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Hmm. Interesting. These types of complaints would normally be public record.

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                                 Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 Really?  Complaints public record?  Here the webpage from the California Secretary of State.  Point out where these types of complaints are public record.  http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/publica … complaint/
                                 
                                 I'm waiting.

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    LOL, lighten up, dude.  One can request public records via a FOIA request, which has been done in California by this organization, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has been done by others.  Hey, if you don't want to talk about what happened after you filed, that's fine.  I filed an elections violation complaint here in Oregon in 2016.  It was investigated and resulted in a finding of wrongdoing and a fine.  Took about three months altogether. I realize the process in California might be different, but all government agencies must follow the FOIA laws.
                                    
                                    "The Secretary of State received 948 election-related complaints in 2016, according to its response to a CALmatters’ Public Records Act request. The office determined that more than half (525) did not merit criminal investigation. Of the remaining complaints, 140 are still being screened, 194 were non-criminal problems referred to local officials, and 89 triggered investigations by the Secretary of State.
                                    
                                    The office did not provide details on the 194 cases it sent to local authorities. But of the 89 investigations the Secretary of State opened in 2016: 56 are allegations of double voting, 16 are allegations of fraudulent voter registration and 1 is an alleged case of fraudulent voting. The rest allege wrongdoing by candidates, petition circulators and others who work in the elections arena – not by voters themselves."
                                    
                                    https://calmatters.org/articles/valid-v … -millions/

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   This has been debunked many times over. You really ought to stop frequenting websites that peddle lies.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      This is not rocket science. Either you can vote in Ca with a drivers license id or not? Which is it?
      If so, if you give aliens a drivers liscense, then you are giving that person permission to vote. Whether he choose to act on it is another story.
      Why do these judges think they can subvert our Constitution?
      
      Every other nation including some in the 3rd world have some form of voter ID system, including the purple finger...why is it so hard for you to understand election have consequences?

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         psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It is indeed not rocket science.  You can use a drivers license to prove you are a person on the voting role.  But you cannot use a driver's license to be added to the voting roll.
         
         Illegals did not vote.  Even I as a legal immigrant would be committing a Federal crime if I tried to vote.  i would be detected and probably deported.

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            jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            That is a myth. No one has been prosecuted for voting illegally. The reason the politicians never wanted a voter id law in place is because they want the maximum number of people voting whether they are legal or not.
            It would be so easy to put in a voted id law.
            Problem solved.

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               psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr … rs-n789766
               
               Right, never.
               
               Your idea of what is true or not true is interesting.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not so sure.  From Snopes:
      
      "“… Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things,” California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters “have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That’s arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury,” Padilla said."
      
      Illegals very seldom have a birth certificate and never a passport.  How, then, do they get that DL?  (The DL is all that's needed to be registered to vote and the DMV will automatically send the information to voter registration unless told not to.)  What are they producing as proof of age that doesn't also indicate citizenship?

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         PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I have no idea. A document from their country of origin? What difference does it make? If it doesn't indicate U.S. citizenship, then the applicant will not be registered to vote.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            They can if they can get that DL, according to the instructions on how to get a voter registration.  So how do they get that DL?  What do they show if not a birth certificate or passport?
            
            Snopes gives the impression it won't work...without ever coming out and saying so.  Troubling.

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         gregasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         In Calif. the driver's license has your age on it. All you have to do is show your DL to vote. Don't give me that crap that you have to show a birth certificate..

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            But showing your ID does no good unless you are registered to vote. You cannot be registered to vote if you are not a U.S. citizen. The driver's licenses issued to  non citizens are designated as such.

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               jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Can you show an example of this? I looked on the net for sample California driver liscenses and there is no such designation about citizenship.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Got it.
                  
                  The front says "driving privileges only"
                  
                  https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
                  
                  https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
                  
                  https://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60 … icense.php
                  
                  And that answers my question, too.  It cannot be used for identification, voter or otherwise.  Pretty sure PP is right on this one.  (Can't be putting "illegal alien" on a DL, now can we!?)

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                     PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you for saving me the time. ;-)

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Always glad to be of service!
                        
                        On a side note I see that an illegal must sign an affidavit saying they have no right to be here in order to get that license.  But after making the statement, the license cannot be used to determine immigration status or citizenship. 
                        
                        PT Barnum is alive and well in California - there is no other explanation for this idiocy.

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                           jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           It is not idoitcy. I understand why they issue driver license to illegals. They want them to buy auto insurance so we don’t have illegals driving without insurance causing more headaches...
                           I support giving all illegals a valid status. That is why I support a guest workers program.

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              No, no.  It is idiocy that carrying such a document, after signing an affidavit of being here illegally as a requirement for getting it, isn't proof of being here illegally.
                              
                              Wonder what would happen if ICE found such a "license" on them?

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   Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

   There has been voter fraud as long as there has been voting. Anyone who thinks every breathing individual will not be used to a party's advantage (repeatedly, if possible) is naive. With California's stand on illegals, it isn't a stretch to assume this happens.
   
   This is one reason I support limited federal government. Because, it limits the cost to those in other states of this.  If states were limited to their own funds to support illegals they welcome in, they might look differently on the issue.
   
   But,only closely monitored federal censuses should determine representation in the House. And those figures should determine the number of votes cast for President. By, county. So, rural California has a voice from California.

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