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   Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

   
   In just Pennsylvania and Texas thousands of non-US citizens have been registered to vote.  I wonder what the numbers would be if the 48 other states performed the same type of voter purges? 
   
   I've seen it in California.  When people tried to do something about it, they were ignored.  Whey they tried to pursue it even more, they were threatened.  I would imagine a HUGE percentage of the voters in California and New York are non-US citizens.
   
   Texas moves to purge 95,000 voters suspected to be non-US citizens
   
   https://www.chron.com/news/politics/tex … 562186.php
   
   Pennsylvania Finds Thousands Of ‘Non-Citizens’ On Voter Rolls
   
   https://www.dailywire.com/news/42889/pe … ashe-schow

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      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't read the last article because the Texas article was unclear about how they tend to check those "suspected" illegal voters. I didn't understand why Texas passed laws preventing voter registration drives either.

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I have to ask the question as to why those that are not citizens are given drivers licenses? Like I said before this is a problem no one really wants to solve. If you give a driver's license to a non citizen cannot the license be so designated so that its value as an ID suitable for voting can be challenged? Is all that really so difficult?
      
      Ask Texas, that is frantic about the issue but allow the issue of Drivers licenses to non-citizens.
      
      In regard to all the illegal voting, in Texas' case, suspected is not proven, I will wait for the proof of the pudding. Trump was hot to trot on this until his investigating croynies could not get the proof they wanted.
      
      You asked the question about WHY Texas makes a big deal out of voter registration?
      
      This a rather long and provocative article, and may leave you with more questions than you can answer, but I have to assume the worse because there is no good reason for it except for "you know"...….
      
      
      https://www.thenation.com/article/texas … -playbook/

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         wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         "I have to ask the question as to why those that are not citizens are given drivers licenses?"
         
         Because progressives cry out that they are just people trying to make a living.
         
         "If you give a driver's license to a non citizen cannot the license be so designated so that its value as an ID suitable for voting can be challenged?"
         
         Careful there, Cred - you're getting awful close to requiring an ID to vote!  But in any case, that's already done, at least in California.  Unfortunately, illegals still get the for to register, and the only thing stopping them is that they have to mark the check box as being illegal to vote, whereupon they are not registered.  Makes good sense to set the default up as legal, doesn't it?

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            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Another reason is how are the conservatives of the Capitalist class going to use the illegal labor if they can't drive legally?
            
            I am pulling back, I acknowledge that an ID may be necessary, HOWEVeR, the ID is to made available to all citizens that for example do not have a driver's' license at no cost to them and the state will facilitate the process otherwise it is nothing more than a form of poll tax which is disenfranchising and illegal. No tricks!
            
            I willing to entertain an idea of say having such non-citizen ID marked with prominent feature defining the bearer as a non-citizen, such an ID is not valid for qualifying as eligible to cast a ballot.
            
            What so hard about that, there several kinds of operating licenses that on its face clearly define what vehicle the bearer can or cannot legally operate on public roads?
            
            So, I have moved to the Right infinitesimally in regards to this topic.

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               GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               But, but, but ... the recipient is an illegal immigrant. Why give them a driver's license? Whether marked, checked, or highlighted, why give them a license to drive if they don't have a license to be here?
               
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                  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Point is well taken, GA. I am not an expert on immigration law and the fine points but are there not non-citizens having visas that can be here legally for a period of time?
                  
                  The example that I cited was in regards to people who are not citizens, that are otherwise here legally. The ID that they receive should be identifiable on inspection as one that would not be a valid ID at the polling place.
                  
                  Of course, those that are here illegally should not be able to obtain a drivers license, those states that are doing it are not doing their job in regards to their legitimate residents. I would suggest using a Social Security number check that would be used to verify employment eligibility to issue a driver license The very method that many states, up to now, have been inept regarding its proper use.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  The only possible reason to give a drivers license is to acknowledge that they are going to drive anyway and if they have a license that can get insurance.  Doesn't mean they will, but they might.
                  
                  I don't agree with it, but it IS a reason.

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                     GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I also understand that to be the logic. But I think it is nuts when that is a position used to rationalize an action I don't see how it can be viewed other than as a legitimization.
                     
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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Agree 100%.  It is a legitimization of an illegal act, nothing more.  Just like the "sanctuary" concept.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorta like the illegals working for Trump at his golf resorts?  But now he's been caught hiring known illegals, he's fired several dozen of them, even one who'd been working for 15 years. He had the keys to Eric Trump's house on the resort and I'd imagine he too had a drivers license.
                           
                           Fake green cards were knowingly given to these workers according to their statements.  How does this strike you , Dan?

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                              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              "How does this strike you , Dan?"
                              
                              As an illegal act performed by someone.  And, leaving out the inevitable Trump bashing, how about you?

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                                 crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Just chiming in...
                                 
                                 ... does that not give you pause? I don't want to bash Trump in the sense that he deserves some specific, individual treatment for that because, as we know, many a politician has hired an illegal housekeeper or two.
                                 
                                 I think if it were any politician, I would be equally annoyed. Just another example about how they want the rules to apply to us little people but not to themselves.

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                                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    How many illegal aliens are on the payroll for GE, hired by some HR person in some small factory somewhere?  How many does WalMart have, hired by some other HR dept in Texas?
                                    
                                    Because a business partially (or even wholly) owned by Trump does NOT mean he does all the hiring/firing.  Or that he personally periodically checks employment records for every employee.  Or that he has viewed the hiring documents for every employee or even met every employee.  On the contrary I think it's safe to say he has personally done none of that for anyone not at the very top of any of his many business locations.

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                                       Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       And I think it's safe to say he wouldn't care in the least if they were illegal because the bottom line for the cretin is money.

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                                          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          Which, of course, is why the word has gone down the line to get rid of them when he found out.
                                          
                                          But I'm not much interested in your constant Trump bashing - when you can come up with reasonable discourse we can continue the discussion.

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                                             Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             He already knew they were illegal, Dan. And your constant Trump defending isn't getting old as well?    
                                             
                                             
                                             One of the dismissed workers had the keys to Eric's house on the resort and he was around the Trumps for 15 years. Since Donnie is so afraid of illegals, I'm sure he had him checked out thoroughly.
                                             
                                             
                                             But no matter, you'll find out shortly because Trump's practice of hiring illegals is under investigation, so your input is really not important to this subject anyway.

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                                                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                "He already knew they were illegal, Dan."
                                                
                                                Proof, please, that Trump knew 20+ specific people working for his companies were illegal aliens? 
                                                
                                                That's exactly what I mean by "Trump bashing" for you can't provide even a shred of evidence as to that - only an opinion based on hatred of Trump.  Not even saying "I'm sure he had him checked out thoroughly" carries any weight whatsoever for that, too, is based on nothing but bashing Trump.

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                                                   Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Like you can't give a shred of evidence of where the proposed stupid wall is to be built? Or even what it's constructed from? You automatically come to Trump's defense without knowing the facts of your defense of him. Double standard perhaps?
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   So give us a good look at where and what the wall will be, Danno. At 5.7billion there should at least be a prototype plan, right? 

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                                                      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Unfortunately the wall has exactly zero to do with illegal aliens on the payroll for companies Trump owns a part of.  So...just more nonsense and diversion from what you said but can't show to be true.
                                                      
                                                      No, there should be no prototype plan, not without a budget.  And at this point Pelosi is promising a zero budget (in the spirit of compromise, no doubt).

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                                                         Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         So there shouldn't be any sort of prototype or plan for the almost 6 billion Trump wants to build. Yes, I'm sure as a major construction guy, Donnie would gladly buy something not designed or described and fork out 5.7 billion for the unseen and  undescribed project.  Yeah, a really good business deal. 
                                                         
                                                         And further it's been reported Trump doesn't want to show projected plans for where the wall will be built because it shows the futility of placing it where it's not needed.

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                                                            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                            So your statement that Trump knew all of the 20+ illegals (out of 22,000) his companies employed, and knew that they were illegals, was totally, 100% false.
                                                            
                                                            Why did you say it then?

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                                                               Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                               Where did I say my statement was totally false, Dan? See IslandsBites comment above. If he didn't learn his lesson previously by hiring undocumented workers, he's simply dumber than a nail. Sure he knew they were illegal!

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                                                                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  You didn't.  But you DID fail to offer any proof of the statement; I assume then that it was false.  Was it?  Or can you offer proof that he knew they were illegal?  And see my response to the idea that Trump hired 200 illegal aliens.  He didn't.
                                                                  
                                                                  "He already knew they were illegal, Dan."

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                                                                     Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                     Okay, then you prove he didn't know they were illegal, Dan? Or do you not know?
                                                                     
                                                                     How does an illegal get the keys to a President's son's home without some sort of background check?

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                                                                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                        You made the statement, not I.  You back it up. 
                                                                        
                                                                        That's how it works in the real world, Randy, where your imagination is of no value.
                                                                        
                                                                        (I've never hired a background check, but highly doubt it checks for citizenship.  Police records, yes, (when security is the primary objective) but not citizenship or immigration status.  That's what the ID's required for hiring are for.  If they aren't forged or stolen, anyway.)

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                                                   Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   The situation is a little different Wilderness
                                                   
                                                   Perhaps as President, I can hold him to a higher standard. Before he started this crusade against illegals, maybe he should have made sure that no part of his financial empire contributes to the problem.

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                                                      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Foresight is not a strongpoint of Donnie's, Cred. He simply got caught again acting hypocritically. Unfortunately, being a hypocrite isn't a strongpoint either.

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                                                      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Absolutely he could have.  He could have visited each operation and spent a month or two personally checking every application and each ID that was offered.  And still not catch them all.
                                                      
                                                      Or he could do what any other businessman does: accept the work of underlings that were hired to do that job.  Being president makes him neither omnipotent or omniscient.

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                                                         Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         If I were him, before making illegal migrants the very focus of his administration, I certainly would had MADE SURE my house was clean being smart knowing that what happened could reasonably be anticipated with adult reasoning.
                                                         
                                                         Even though he could not catch them all, did he even try? He should have done just what you suggested that he could have done.
                                                         
                                                         Don't have to be omnipotent or omniscient to use good judgment.

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 I find it highly hypocritical, but normal for the Cretin-in-Chief, Dan.

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/29 … -counties/
      
      Well, Mike
      
      Is there a possibility that Texas is playing up all this so called illegal voter stuff as a move to suppress and intimidate certain catagories of voters?
      
      We will turn Texas blue, yet!!!

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         'We will turn Texas blue, yet!!!'
         
         Yeh credence. That's the whole point. Can't do it legally, just do it with the illegals.

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            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            That's a cop out.
            
            My whole point is that the changes will come through differentials in birth rates between Hispanic citizens and Anglos, and Hispanics are still a strong Democratic Party constituency along with the political bent of those that choose to move to Texas. Much of them are urban professionals, another Democratic Party constituency, by the way.  So, yes it is going to turn blue and the explanation of illegals does not tell the whole story.
            
            So, watch now and don't change that channel....

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      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The Texas search for voter fraud was, itself, a fraud. They should definitely look for any illegals who are registered to vote. They should just do it right and not as a way to suppress citizen from voting. Also, a non-citizen should be able to obtain a driver's license that identifies them as a non-citizen so that they cannot vote.
      
      https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01 … oondoggle/
      
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … as/581881/
      
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas … en-voters/
      
      https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete … ted-texas/

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   psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

   It'll be a story when even one of those voters is actually found to be a non-citizen on a role restricted to citizens.

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   IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

   The issue with Trump and his undocumented employees, other than his hypocrisy, is that it is not the first time. He employed a crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers in the 80s. He had to settled a class-action lawsuit and paid more over a million dollars due to his awful labor practices.
   
   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/nyre … ement.html

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      From your link: "For the demolition work, Mr. Trump hired an inexperienced contractor, William Kaszycki of Kaszycki & Sons, for $775,000. Mr. Kaszycki specialized in window and job-site cleaning. His company was renovating an adjoining building for Bonwit Teller, where he employed undocumented Polish workers."
      
      So Trump didn't hire them, and none of Trump's companies hired them.  Yes, there was a mechanics lien put on Trump's building when the actual employer quit paying, and yes, he paid to settle the claim rather than continue litigation with a powerful union, but it remains that he did not hire them.  They were not Trump's employees at all.

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         IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         You conveniently forgot to quote some very interesting parts.

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            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No, he didn't forget, just didn't like them.  He's a Trumpster for sure! 

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