Tens of thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in just two s

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  1. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 6 weeks ago

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    In just Pennsylvania and Texas thousands of non-US citizens have been registered to vote.  I wonder what the numbers would be if the 48 other states performed the same type of voter purges? 

    I've seen it in California.  When people tried to do something about it, they were ignored.  Whey they tried to pursue it even more, they were threatened.  I would imagine a HUGE percentage of the voters in California and New York are non-US citizens.

    Texas moves to purge 95,000 voters suspected to be non-US citizens

    https://www.chron.com/news/politics/tex … 562186.php

    Pennsylvania Finds Thousands Of ‘Non-Citizens’ On Voter Rolls

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/42889/pe … ashe-schow

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I didn't read the last article because the Texas article was unclear about how they tend to check those "suspected" illegal voters. I didn't understand why Texas passed laws preventing voter registration drives either.

    2. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I have to ask the question as to why those that are not citizens are given drivers licenses? Like I said before this is a problem no one really wants to solve. If you give a driver's license to a non citizen cannot the license be so designated so that its value as an ID suitable for voting can be challenged? Is all that really so difficult?

      Ask Texas, that is frantic about the issue but allow the issue of Drivers licenses to non-citizens.

      In regard to all the illegal voting, in Texas' case, suspected is not proven, I will wait for the proof of the pudding. Trump was hot to trot on this until his investigating croynies could not get the proof they wanted.

      You asked the question about WHY Texas makes a big deal out of voter registration?

      This a rather long and provocative article, and may leave you with more questions than you can answer, but I have to assume the worse because there is no good reason for it except for "you know"...….


      https://www.thenation.com/article/texas … -playbook/

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        "I have to ask the question as to why those that are not citizens are given drivers licenses?"

        Because progressives cry out that they are just people trying to make a living.

        "If you give a driver's license to a non citizen cannot the license be so designated so that its value as an ID suitable for voting can be challenged?"

        Careful there, Cred - you're getting awful close to requiring an ID to vote!  But in any case, that's already done, at least in California.  Unfortunately, illegals still get the for to register, and the only thing stopping them is that they have to mark the check box as being illegal to vote, whereupon they are not registered.  Makes good sense to set the default up as legal, doesn't it?

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          Another reason is how are the conservatives of the Capitalist class going to use the illegal labor if they can't drive legally?

          I am pulling back, I acknowledge that an ID may be necessary, HOWEVeR, the ID is to made available to all citizens that for example do not have a driver's' license at no cost to them and the state will facilitate the process otherwise it is nothing more than a form of poll tax which is disenfranchising and illegal. No tricks!

          I willing to entertain an idea of say having such non-citizen ID marked with prominent feature defining the bearer as a non-citizen, such an ID is not valid for qualifying as eligible to cast a ballot.

          What so hard about that, there several kinds of operating licenses that on its face clearly define what vehicle the bearer can or cannot legally operate on public roads?

          So, I have moved to the Right infinitesimally in regards to this topic.

          1. GA Anderson profile image89
            GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            But, but, but ... the recipient is an illegal immigrant. Why give them a driver's license? Whether marked, checked, or highlighted, why give them a license to drive if they don't have a license to be here?

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              Point is well taken, GA. I am not an expert on immigration law and the fine points but are there not non-citizens having visas that can be here legally for a period of time?

              The example that I cited was in regards to people who are not citizens, that are otherwise here legally. The ID that they receive should be identifiable on inspection as one that would not be a valid ID at the polling place.

              Of course, those that are here illegally should not be able to obtain a drivers license, those states that are doing it are not doing their job in regards to their legitimate residents. I would suggest using a Social Security number check that would be used to verify employment eligibility to issue a driver license The very method that many states, up to now, have been inept regarding its proper use.

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              The only possible reason to give a drivers license is to acknowledge that they are going to drive anyway and if they have a license that can get insurance.  Doesn't mean they will, but they might.

              I don't agree with it, but it IS a reason.

              1. GA Anderson profile image89
                GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                I also understand that to be the logic. But I think it is nuts when that is a position used to rationalize an action I don't see how it can be viewed other than as a legitimization.

                GA

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Agree 100%.  It is a legitimization of an illegal act, nothing more.  Just like the "sanctuary" concept.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Sorta like the illegals working for Trump at his golf resorts?  lol But now he's been caught hiring known illegals, he's fired several dozen of them, even one who'd been working for 15 years. He had the keys to Eric Trump's house on the resort and I'd imagine he too had a drivers license.

                    Fake green cards were knowingly given to these workers according to their statements.  How does this strike you , Dan? tongue

    3. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/29 … -counties/

      Well, Mike

      Is there a possibility that Texas is playing up all this so called illegal voter stuff as a move to suppress and intimidate certain catagories of voters?

      We will turn Texas blue, yet!!!

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        'We will turn Texas blue, yet!!!'

        Yeh credence. That's the whole point. Can't do it legally, just do it with the illegals.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          That's a cop out.

          My whole point is that the changes will come through differentials in birth rates between Hispanic citizens and Anglos, and Hispanics are still a strong Democratic Party constituency along with the political bent of those that choose to move to Texas. Much of them are urban professionals, another Democratic Party constituency, by the way.  So, yes it is going to turn blue and the explanation of illegals does not tell the whole story.

          So, watch now and don't change that channel....

    4. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      The Texas search for voter fraud was, itself, a fraud. They should definitely look for any illegals who are registered to vote. They should just do it right and not as a way to suppress citizen from voting. Also, a non-citizen should be able to obtain a driver's license that identifies them as a non-citizen so that they cannot vote.

      https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01 … oondoggle/

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … as/581881/

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas … en-voters/

      https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete … ted-texas/

  2. psycheskinner profile image85
    psycheskinnerposted 6 weeks ago

    It'll be a story when even one of those voters is actually found to be a non-citizen on a role restricted to citizens.

  3. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago

    The issue with Trump and his undocumented employees, other than his hypocrisy, is that it is not the first time. He employed a crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers in the 80s. He had to settled a class-action lawsuit and paid more over a million dollars due to his awful labor practices.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/nyre … ement.html

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      From your link: "For the demolition work, Mr. Trump hired an inexperienced contractor, William Kaszycki of Kaszycki & Sons, for $775,000. Mr. Kaszycki specialized in window and job-site cleaning. His company was renovating an adjoining building for Bonwit Teller, where he employed undocumented Polish workers."

      So Trump didn't hire them, and none of Trump's companies hired them.  Yes, there was a mechanics lien put on Trump's building when the actual employer quit paying, and yes, he paid to settle the claim rather than continue litigation with a powerful union, but it remains that he did not hire them.  They were not Trump's employees at all.

      1. IslandBites profile image86
        IslandBitesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        You conveniently forgot to quote some very interesting parts. lol

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          No, he didn't forget, just didn't like them.  He's a Trumpster for sure!  tongue

 
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