If you are against the proposed health care reform sign this!

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   Stop The Government From Taking our Freedom of Choice in Health Care Before It's Too Late!
   
   If you disagree with our Congress pushing "reform" that will force America into a government-run system like Canada or Europe. If you care that the American people will no longer be able to keep the insurance they have and instead, they will be forced into a government-run health insurance market, with most people enrolled in a government-run health plan. If you are one of millions of Americans who oppose government-run health care because they know it will reduce the quality and increase the cost. Not to mention, our country cannot afford to go deeper in debt to pay for this new program. If you refuse to dig a financial hole in which our children and grandchildren will never be able to climb out.
   
   Visit the link below to sign a petition voicing your opposition:
   
   I, the undersigned citizen of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to protect the following rights and stop any legislation that would jeopardize them:
   
   Freedom: The right to choose the the best medical care available, including physician and insurance, for my family.
   Options: The right to get the treatment my condition requires, as soon as it is needed, without bureaucratic red tape or denial of service.
   Transferability: The right to take my health insurance with me if I have to change jobs.
   Equitable: The right to the same tax breaks available to employees should I choose to purchase my own health insurance; and assurance that only those who truly need government assistance get it.
   Accountability: The right to assurances that fraud, waste, and abuse will not be tolerated
   
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      atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for posting this!!!

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   An internet petition...ooh, that should work

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      nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How's MoveOn.Org doing these days?

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Couldn't agree with you more.
      
      I looked to see if it was a petition, but I'm thinking it might only be a sign up page for conservative propaganda against Obama health care reform (and any other issue it doesn't like...)
      
      Either way, I don't see how this is going to stop Obama.

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   They're starting early today.  I've barely finished my coffee and chicken little is already sounding the alarm.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago

   LOL
   
   Far as I understand it the proposed health care reform bill is about 4 million pages long and you need an IQ of over 200 to be able to understand it.
   
   And these geniuses know it is "taking away freedoms"
   
   Thank goodness I no longer get American telly where I live. I dread to think how shrill these guys must be on TV.

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      RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, come one, its fun to watch embittered pundits spew hateful drivel, paranoia, scare-tactics, and nonsense. Oh, wait, it IS an awful lot like organized religion. You may be on to something here, Mark...

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   I am for helath care reform-just not the current proposed legislation. I am just encouraging people who feel the same way to say so.
   
   Freedom: The right to choose the the best medical care available, including physician and insurance, for my family.
   Options: The right to get the treatment my condition requires, as soon as it is needed, without bureaucratic red tape or denial of service.
   Transferability: The right to take my health insurance with me if I have to change jobs.
   Equitable: The right to the same tax breaks available to employees should I choose to purchase my own health insurance; and assurance that only those who truly need government assistance get it.
   Accountability: The right to assurances that fraud, waste, and abuse will not be tolerated
   
   Why would anyone-liberal/conservative, democrat or republican, progressive or constituttionalist disagree the points of this petition?

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Which piece of legislation are you even talking about?  There are several drafts by various sponsors and none is even close to coming up for a vote.

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   I am talking about the proposed HR3200, which has been amended and continues to be amended as we speak...the legislation that Pelosi is pushing and the one Obama 'guaranteed' would pass last week. the one he will speaking about tonight.

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   however this link to this petition is about a generalized request in regard to whatever health care reform does get passed. I know about the different versions-some worse than others and all with an unconstitutional amount of government control.

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      RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      In that case, this truly is the worst petition ever. "a generalized request in regard to whatever healthcare reform does get passed."
      Are you for real? If that doesn't seem wrong to you, I assume no amount of logic will suffice to convince you otherwise. Talk about sheep! Even if I was concerned that Obama had detrimental health care plans in mind, I'd have enough self-respect to sign something that actually states what it is that we are against. Sheesh.

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   do any of you disagree with the points of the petition? if so, may I ask why?

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The lies in the preamble are certainly objectionable.  The inclusion of points such as Freedom, Options, and Accountability is absolutely laughable.  It's like saying we need a petition to guarantee gravity; the points are not even in dispute.  It's just another fear-mongering tactic designed to get the rubes up in arms.
      
      I'll venture a guess - Sarah Palin signed this didn't she?

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      RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The entire thing is misleading and is a testament to the fact that most people are completely in the dark about what is really going on. Nobody is proposing a fully socialized health care system. This document is basically crap and those who get all fired up about it would do well to learn about what the proposal actually proposes.

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That would require effort.  It's easier to just watch Fox News and do what we're told.

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            RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ron, Fox is fair and balanced! I can't believe you'd say such a thing..

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Is that their slogan?  I'll have to listen more closely 50 years from now when I tune in again.  I could have sworn it was Fear and Bombast.

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            nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Tony Dungy is a much better source. "What would Tony do?"

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   rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

   For those of you who call people like me sheep and pundits and claim we are misleading-have you read the proposed legislation? I have. I am not following anyone save my own self concious. I want healthcare reform, but I have concerns about a lot of what IS and what IS NOT in this bill.
   
   Are you saying that the healthcare reform that does pass shouldn't allow us to choose our own providers and plan coverage? That we shouldn't be able to keep our current coverage without threat of penalty or tax? That it should not be more transparent and understandable? That we should be guarnateed service and without rationing? I don't understand you.

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      RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not calling you a pundit. That is what a political commentator on TV is. I was talking to Mark Knowles regarding his comment about not watching American television.

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      RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It does allow us to keep our providers if we like them. The proposals being circulated are similar to one another, and all offer more choice than we currently have. As far as being more understandable to the general public, while that would be nice - I hear you. However, all gov docs are in legalese and use many words to say one little thing. It is nothing new at all.

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    rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

    once again-no answers from the left...

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       RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm ambidextrous. Also ambi-political (I make up my own mind, no 'side' for me thank you).
       When you get no answers it could simply be that people are not at the forums - maybe they will return later, as I did. Perhaps they don't care to get in to an argument over this issue.
       I highly doubt that it's for lack of intelligent folks with valid things to say on the matter, left, right, up, down, or sideways.

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    A Texanposted 14 years ago

    I am working on a kindlier/gentler me, here is the attempt!
    
    Ron what you don't know far outweighs what you do know, and I say that with all due respect, maybe!
    
    Roobee FOX news at least attempts to be fair and balanced. I assume the rest of the media is squarely in the center? See above!
    
    Mark Knowles try fixing whatever country you live in before commenting on mine, try and remember we don't really care what you think!

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That statement applies to all people.  That is why I so frequently jostle with "absolutists".

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          A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No, you "jostle" with conservatives and kiss the asses of the liberals, still working on being kind!

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             Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Good luck.  I am an equal opportunity jostler.  I was smacking down the Clintons long before it became fashionable.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Of course you don't - you have all the nukular weapons, and like good kristians, don't care where they are dropped. Why should you kare?
       
       

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          A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Exactly, we shouldn't!

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          Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Kryptic Message?

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    dahoglundposted 14 years ago

    thye whole concept of "health care reform" is wrong. they act like health care is a system whereas it is made up of various elements. Since what we have works well and is not violating the constitution why mess with it. Most people have some form of coverage and those that don't go to the emergency rooms. The present concepts will  cut back the number of doctors, because who the heck will want to be one after this. It give the all powerful big brother another findger in the pie and where the heck is the money going to come from?

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The money is being flown in on unicorns powered by rainbows!

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       egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why can't people understand that just because they have health insurance, it does not mean that nobody else has any problems? The system is FLAWED. Just because it works well for you does not mean it works well for everybody. But god knows you will be the first to start complaining when you get a serious illness and your insurance company drops you like a bad habit.

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    rsmalloryposted 14 years ago

    ok, people came back later-but still no answers....

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