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Ralph Deedsposted 15 years ago
President Obama again demonstrated his considerable ability to speak persuasively. His advocacy of his health care proposals was powerful and convincing, in my opinion. He explained the details of his proposals, the reasons for them and the way they will work. And he debunked the lies that have been circulating about health care reform proposals. He provided practical and moral reasons for supporting his proposals.
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  kartika damonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree! I was elated he put forth both fire and reason and called out the party of no and those who are champions of the status quo! Joe Wilson was a disgrace!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you see the problem for him in only further alienating those who were not in support of his plan to begin with?
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
We are all here watching. He is knocking it out of the park.

Loved it when he called out all the lies.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *Note: They are going to "call out" whoever heckled the president, calling him a liar. Per CNN.
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  kartika damonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Lita, I was thrilled to see the home run!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi, Kartika.
  
  I am sure they were enjoying it in Iowa City, .
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A 'homerun' in the batting cage gains you nothing.
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lrohnerposted 15 years ago
His drivel cut into tonight's showing of 'Criminal Minds'. Thank God he finally shut up!
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *snicker* haha...i like your forthrightness. or maybe it's that cute little dog...
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
He-he, do I feel another hot Obama thread in the making
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  lrohnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, your new avatar is SCARING THE HECK out of me. Change it back!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not until I get enough demand for that. I am in the evil mood tonight
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  Nelle Hoxieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misha i love your new avatar, please keep it forever.
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  lrohnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nooooooooooooooooooo.......!!!!!!!!!!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Nelle
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Will you at least change it to a smile, if I say that at first glance you looked like Al Gore?.....
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whoa, Misha, now THAT'S an AVATAR!
  
  Oh, that's right, it's a health care reform/Obama thread. Well, there are two key points that jump to mind, to wit:
  
  1. Yes, the man is an awesome speaker. That ability clearly had much to do with getting him to the Oval Office in the first place.
  
  2. Whether he realizes it or not, putting limits on private insurance companies such as not allowing them to deny coverage for preexisting conditions, not allowing coverage caps, etc., definitely WILL produce government-only insurance in fairly short order. There isn't an insurance company on the planet--greedy or not, and I don't dispute the greed factor--that can survive hits like that. Net result: Private companies go broke, government coverage becomes the Last Plan Standing.
  
  My qualifications to Comment: Twelve years professionally as a commercial insurance underwriter--yeah, folks, I wore pinstriped suits and neckties, believe it or not.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am far, far less qualified than you concerning insurance, but I would ask what you think of the current Medicare/private insurance options available for seniors. I believe that IS a mix of both public and private options, correct?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The thing is...insurance companies in Canada still make huge profits...some people buy extra health insurance like those who do not have coverage through work (I had to buy dental insurance when I had a job that did not cover it)
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I simply don't believe that's possible. Either the Canadian companies are able to restrict some of the risks they take...or they are getting subsidies under the table...or somebody's lying.
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  megs78posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone lie? She's right.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I tried to do my best Ghost, glad you liked it too
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are we sure it's an avatar?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mom? (avatar looks familiar)
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lrohnerposted 15 years ago
Now the Republicans are on there endorsing him. Will the madness never end?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol...incorrect. Not on CNN, anyway. It's the opposition's rebuttal.
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  Nelle Hoxieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why did they choose someone from Louisiana to do the republican rebuttal. They have some of the worst stats on healthcare in the country. Maybe they couldn't get anyone else.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
No point, no one is going to change their mind in this forum as far as I can see
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  Nelle Hoxieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No but we don't want it to be all one side speaking. I do believe we are fighting for the soul and character of our country. Don't want people to think everyone's against Obama and his plan. He's doing what the majority elected him to do.
  
  However i do agree with Lrohner on many things...now turning from CNN to Criminal Minds.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you I'm just so tired of the endless threads against health care reform. I hope you guys get something passed...
  
  I noticed the usual suspects have not posted yet, must be waiting for something to be posted on Fox news or a conservative blog so they know what to say
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The hard core 'haters' and those who just don't care and are not political won't change, but I have seen a few people influenced, .
  
  Anyway, politically speaking, Obama did very well. A back to campaign-level speech. How anyone can say the man is not eloquent and needs a teleprompter is beyond me. He is possibly the best spoken president we've had (or at least that I can remember).
  
  He also continues to reach out to Republicans of common sense...who want to solve problems, not hog the media spotlight with outrageous fear-based vitriol.
  
  Rep. Wilson of South Carolina (R) is the heckler (lol...just in!).
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Watch this guy be made the latest hero by Fox et al.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Woooooohoooo, hell, yeah!
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
Well I was very interested in hearing him and it pleased me.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Don't they have rules in Congress against that kind of thing? I'm never heard a President be heckled there before. I know some people did not applaud Bush at times but I don't recall anyone heckling him.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. We were just discussing that... McCain says...MCCAIN...that the guilty party was disrespectful and should apologize immediately.
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  Nelle Hoxieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lord I hope not, that's the most respected free speech in America - political speech. I think it lead an authentic feel to the whole thing. Bet he'll be having a beer at the White House soon
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
What did the teleprompter say?

Who Heckled the teleprompter?

Is it all still deficit neutral?
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Okay, don't believe me. Most insurance companies that also cover health cover house insurance, auto insurance, etc. I'm sure that it is the same way in the US.
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uninvited, I'm not disbelieving you--I'm sure you're only reporting accurately what you've read. I'm disbelieving what's been reported, though. Example: Take a few terminal cancer cases with no cap, multiply those few times multimillion dollar treatment costs, and you can run even a large company into the ground in short order.
  
  Unless Canadian doctors and hospitals provide such things for free as a public service.... Philanthropists one and all...?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You, however, skipped my post directed to you concerning Medicare combining both private and public (basically) options.
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't skip it, Lita--just missed it entirely.
  
  Bottom line there is that I'm not a fan of Medicare, either. I'm 65 and qualified but not a member and don't intend to be. Have no health care coverage and am considerably irritated about Obama's plan to tax me for not having any--especially since I don't go to Emergency Rooms, either. (Did once, back in my rodeo days, but paid cash for the visit--did not go there as an indigent.)
  
  I also consider it highly unlikely that increasing health care will avoid increasing the deficit. Obama can talk about how improving efficiency can save enough to pay for the whole thing, but talk is cheap. Or in his case, exorbitantly expensive.
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Ralph Deedsposted 15 years ago
The Republicans didn't help themselves much, sitting on their hands and scowling, except for John McCain who came through with a big smile when Obama endorsed one of his campaign proposals. Congressman Joe Wilson didn't help their cause by shouting from the crowd at Obama, "That's a lie," when Obama denied that his proposal provided coverage for illegal aliens. Neither did the GOP congressman from Louisiana, Charles Boustany, who is a Birther who responded to a scam offering a British title of Lord in return for cash according to Kieth Olberman.

http://blog.reidreport.com/tag/healthca … -boustany/

Boustany conned by British scammers selling titles to gullible Americans

http://hannah.smith-family.com/?p=3349
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That big noise was all by one guy? Gotta admit, that's a Republican with a set of lungs...must not be a smoker!
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  judydianneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What happened to respect for the Office of the President? It reminds me of the time back in the 80's when I went to my daughter's high school talent show. The principal came out and the kids starting booing! I couldn't believe the lack of respect!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It ended with a stain on a blue dress.
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  bgpappaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The sin of all sins
  
  It is interesting that the conservatives always point to Clinton as the President who committed the worst sins of all because of his affair with Monica. Yet, so many conservatives have been taken down for similar trists including with young men. In California, a Right Wing Republican was caught on tape talking about his affairs during a committee hearing.
  
  Yet, I have to be consistent, I thought it was personal issues with Clinton, and so I think the same for any of the Republicans who go through the same thing.
  
  But in terms of disrespect for the President, I think "I am not a crook", "we did not trade arms for hostages" and George W. Bush in general did much to cause it. Clinton helped as well, but please remember that out of the last forty years, Democrats have held the office twelve of those years. Obama will make 16 out of 44.
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  RooBeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, "it will be a cakewalk'" and "we will be greeted as liberators" didn't help, .
  
  Don't fool yourself that Clinton was the first philandering president. He got caught and lied. Might have been a little embarrassing, but it didn't paint us as arrogant, war-mongering, ignoramuses.
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  RooBeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. Very sensible and logical comment!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Over 17,000 posts and counting on Huffingtonpost concerning Wilson's outburst.
  
  Boustany sounds like a winner! True wanna-be elitist,
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jexsterposted 15 years ago
A wiff of greatness

Obama's popularity jumped 14% in CNN snap poll

The Asshole - Joe Wilson (R-SC)

I tried to access his website to tell him that I've seen colored people with better manners but it crashed!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "colored people?" What color are they?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aaach. Obviously that was satire.
  
  Won't enlighten you. Just think about it.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously? Whats obvious about it?
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Well I DVR'd the speech and watched until I knew I couldn't take anymore, what I got was the government will force us to have a health insurance plan or pay a tax/fine, More Government interference in a free peoples lives!

Government will dictate to private companies how they can run their business, more government control over industry!

And who thinks Barry isn't a Socialist?
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
I didn't vote for Obama, but nights like this make me wish I had. He shows great leadership skills at every opportunity and doesn't forget he's the President of all Americans, even the wackos who shout slanderous statements at him from the cheap seats.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I voted for him, and am happy I did.
  
  There was only one public appearance I ever saw that I felt was off--that was with the Flu 'epidemic' speech segueing into concerns about the economy. HE did not write it--apparent. And it was poorly done...I felt a cover.
  
  You can seriously tell with Obama when his thoughts/feelings are behind his words--a good thing. Clinton, ie, was always very practiced.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure great speech making skills, nobody ever said he couldn't read what someone else wrote. He has the Al Gore talent of telling sad stories and almost makes you believe he is sincere, I especially liked the "Chappaquiddick Teddy" remembrance moment.
  
  My favorite part was when he reminded us that in 1965 some believed medicare would lead to a government takeover of health care, uhhhhhhhhh, that is what it is leading to, just because it took 44 years doesn't mean it ain't happening.
  
  I'm sure the Obamabots are just giddy with his speech, too bad we have to pay through the nose for one mans legacy!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You poor cynical man.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cynical is right, what has he done thats worked? Anything?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  By your definition - nothing.
  
  As I've said before, he kept Sarah Palin far away from the "nuke'em" button. He can host beer summits for the next 7 1/2 years of his presidency for all I care. Saving the world is enough.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know thats right, Alaska and Alaskans didn't profit from her governance, Thats sarcasm in case you didn't get it!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many terms for her?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many terms does it take to benefit people? No clue how she governed huh? Just considered her Caribou Barbie? I guess you cast a well informed vote!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arizonans can't vote for Alaska's governor. Alaska, as far as I know, has 0 nuclear weapons. Most of her damage was confined to the environment. It could have been much worse. What's the tally for her latest legal bills?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No but Arizonans can vote for a Presidential ticket with the Governor of Alaska attached, her legal bills have anything to do with her governance before the media BS and the liberal attack dogs? The environment is just fine, you bought into the global warming too? Whatever happened to the global cooling scam from the 70's? Kool-Aid anyone?
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shucks, Ron, he's wearing rose tinted glasses compared to me...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Glad I'm not the only one
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but you at least have senility as an excuse.
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was HOPING you'd go there! Senior Discount RULES!! Like the song lyric from Waylon & Willie states, "Old age and treachery always overcome youth and skill."
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm right behind ya'. In a few short years I'll be using my AAA, Student, and AARP discounts all at once. They'll have to pay ME to stay at the motel 6 .
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Haha... This just in. The Democratic opposition of the Republican heckler from South Carolina has just made $42,000 in support money. Is website is being flooded with donations!

Ooooo, that screaming was a bad move. He may have a beer with the Pres, but he won't be re-elected. See, ya'll? Glenn Beckisms just don't work in real life so much... Even if you think you are 'witty' doing so on hubpage forums.
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
What nobody seems to realize is that the ONLY times a president addresses congress is 1) in a time of war and 2) the state of the union address. NO president has ever addressed congress over their "pet" bill. Which only shows, in even more stark relief, how little support he has over it.

And Joe Wilson is the only one with any balls in that whole room.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He won't have them for long.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm quaking in fear.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, they're not yours.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure he's terrified of you.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not me he needs to fear. Actually he has nothing to fear now. That was a great audition to become a Fox News contributor. He already sounds smarter than Ollie North.
  
  P.S. He must be afraid of something, he whimpered an apology within minutes of his rude outburst.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or he simply was a man who felt he should have used a bit more decorum! I think the scumbag needs to be called out on his lies!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So, just to calrify...
  You aren't an Obama fan?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just like your not a tksensei fan, except I may hate Obama a little more
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, but you're wrong there. He whose true name I am now forbidden to speak is like the punching bag I always wanted as a child but never got. You've got to be a fan of anyone who can keep taking those beatings and come back for more.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You gotta admit he comes up with some good ones from time to time
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Piles of doo-doo? yes. By the way where is he? I haven't seen him for quite some time now. Watching re-runs of the speech probably.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He's here, I am about to overtake tk and sweetipie on the most active list I gotta quit doing this I'm a damn junkie
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hear ya'. I'm gonna go watch some Fox for a fair and balanced review of the speech
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And I'm gonna go email my congressman to vote for Obamacare
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I believe you never got one. Ever.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! look who's back. The fan of the Richard Seymourless Patriots.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those Patriots.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  His balls are owned by the health industry...
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No doubt!
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike Obama's, whose are owned by the communists.
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  egivposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahaha, pure intelligence on this forum...
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  Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  -sigh- I agree. 'Communism' is only a 'Red Herring' in these debate issues.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thems true words X where ya been?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you don't decide, do you, with that above paragraph? Just a thought.
  
  And, Ma'am, you really need to stop using such language if you wish to continue impressing us as a 'lady.' Go back to using "wonderful," etc.
  
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good morning, lita. speak for yourself, she doesn't impress me.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, there is a LOT of gender confusion going on around the forums, if you know what I mean. lol
  
  Good morning, BD!
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i do know.
  
  it's time for you to start acting responsible. become the man that...
  
  aw, we don't want to go there. it's more fun to imagine you being this intelligent, articulate and good looking woman. your real fans wouldn't want it any other way.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Yeah, these last posts have left me REALLY confused.
  
  For the record: My bf actually likes this bl & wh photo (he hated my other one). And there is something spooky 'bout Madame. (Just between us!)
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good for your bf, hopefully you'll listen to him!!
  
  yes, there are several spooks out there. one just gave himself away on another thread.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, coming from the likes of YOU...
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Overall, I thought Obama's address on healthcare was well spoken and well received. He is obviously trying hard to pull everyone together rather than discounting worthy opposition.
I, too, LOVED when he said those who spread lies and fear will be called out! Woo hoo!

It appeared that on many of his points both Democrats and Republicans stood and clapped. He even managed a standing ovation from the Republicans only on the subject of reforms aimed at malpractice suits.

After his careful laying out of all the REAL points in his plan and debunking the myths, I believe you'd have to be either a mule or an ostrich to oppose it.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or not gullible
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or someone considering actual consequences rather than swallowing words uncritically.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Little butt sniffing troll, why don't you tell us what the "actual consequences" are that you didn't swallow uncritically
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you are going to resort to insult you might at least try a little harder. That is some weak, whiny shit comrade.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i don't believe any of us interpreted it as an insult.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  More hilarity from Cheech...
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bgpappaposted 15 years ago
We are all forum junkies A Texan.

To get to the OP, I thought the speech was good just in terms in tone and hopefully the two sides can get together and get something done.

But isn't it nice to have someone who can speak with such eloquence at the podium again? Not knocking Bush too bad, even he admits he wasn't a great speaker. I just admire great oratory.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yeah, usually you have to turn to ANY news report to find someone who can read from a teleprompter well.
  
  Let me know when you find some.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
The speech was a mistake. The defiant, partisan tone, the generalisms with no details and no explanaitons of contradiction are not likely to win anyone to his side who wasn't there before the speech. Poll numbers will fall within a week.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  From AP:
  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … QD9AK54S00
  
  Individuals would be required to carry basic health insurance. Those who can't afford it would get a hardship waiver.
  
  _Businesses would be required to offer their workers health care or chip in to help cover the cost. Ninety-five percent of small businesses would be exempt because of their size and narrow profit margin.
  
  _Medical malpractice reform is not a "silver bullet," but practicing "defensive medicine" can lead to unnecessary costs; demonstration projects will be reviewed to see what changes to medical malpractice insurance would work best.
  
  _It would be against the law for insurance companies to deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
  
  _Promised to protect Medicare and reassured the elderly that Medicare funds would not be used to overhaul health care.
  
  _A public option, or alternative to private insurance, needs to be available to the uninsured to "keep insurance companies honest."
  
  _The public option would not be subsidized by taxpayers, but would be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects; the Congressional Budget Office estimates that fewer than 5 percent of Americans would sign up.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  = Government control & taxes will go up (a lot)
  
  = Most businesses will kick their workers to some DMV health plan AND unemployment will go up
  
  = not a damn thing will be done about tort reform
  
  = pandering with no specifics
  
  = those and any other funds will be used for whatever the hell the pols want just like they are from every other source
  
  = private ins companies will be systematically driven out of business
  
  = by the second year this 'option' will be deep in the red and taxes will be used to support it
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
And was increased by lying about womd...

Still, when in Congress you should show a modicum of respect for the system you obviously support or you would not be a congressman. I'm sure there are all sorts of procedures dealing with things like that. He was quite able to voice his opposition before or after the speech.

Anyway, he has apologized.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Lying" is not an accurate choice of words.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misleading?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Wrong"
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  judydianneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think he got the attention he wanted!
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Maybe a little bit more than he wanted...
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AEvansposted 15 years ago
He spoke fluently and clearly clarifying any rumors or lies I also noticed that the some of the Republicans were quite shrewd and it appeared to me that they acted like small children were they not supposed to be representing there states? One party yelled out liar only chidlren seem to do this to gain attention personally he should have kept his childish yapper shut.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He spoke in generalisms and didn't clarify anything. No one who was opposed to his plan before is likely to have been persuaded by that speech.
  
  Preaching to his ever-shrinking choir.
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
Yes, he will be punished, and it won't be nice for him.
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kirwingposted 15 years ago
Blue dog....Joe Wilson has balls...HHMM...I thought he was actually a eunuch that strapped on a pair of titanium balls to overshadow the presidents true intentions.....Republican idealogue is old hat, and it seems your hat wreakes of blood for oil dripping down your face like a cream pie melting in the dark breeze of war mongering and proliferating more of the same OLD HAT Idealogue. Educate us on the "NEW WORLD ORDER"....PLEEEZZZ
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hey, dude, or dudette, EDUCATE me on where i have one single post in my entire existence on hubpages regarding joe wilson, or his balls.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
I had questions that weren't answered by the speech.

1) 'Affordable' is a relative term. What I consider affordable might not be the same as what John McCain or Barack Obama consider affordable. If I'm going to be required to purchase private health insurance, I want to know what that's going to get me and how much it will cost, like, a dollar number. When I was still at the bank my share of the insurance cost was $50 a week in premiums--that was for a $2500 deductible and 80/20 after that. A SINGLE trip to the ER left me with over $5,000 in bills AFTER insurance paid. I don't want to pay a penny for another such policy, but if its going to cost me hundreds per month, I might as well leave the country now.

2) If I can't afford it I'll get a tax credit? Hello? That helps me how exactly? I have to wait an entire year for that. Insurance premiums are due monthly.

3) Malpractice litigation reform. Rilly? I live in Michigan. When No Fault insurance was instituted to keep the courts from clogging with liability lawsuits, it was supposed to save the state and its residents a ton of money. Now, (partly because of health care costs), those cost are absorbed by the state and its citizens. So the insurance companies are protected, and we have some of the most expensive auto insurance in the state. I'm not convinced that blocking or limiting malpractice insurance will bring MY costs down. I think it'll protect doctors and insurance companies and taxpayers will absorb those costs, just like happened with No Fault.

4) This country is NOT full of wonderful people who do the right thing when called upon. There is a fairly huge asshole contingent in the U.S. and it's growing. Lots of people care about themselves, period, and not just that, they're proud of it. Mean and stupid and proud.

5) I see nothing good on the horizon. I'm sorry, I just don't. Jobs are not coming back. This 'jobless recovery' will be at least 5 years bumping along the bottom. Michigan is $3.5 BILLION in the hole for 2010.

I'm really sick of the health care debate. Really, really sick of it. I have the sinking sense that this will just end up being a HUGE giveaway to the insurance companies who caused this mess in the first place.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, a perfect health care reform bill isn't likely. But I think it'll be an improvement over what we've got now.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know that was his point, and the point is taken, believe me, but I'm down to WIIFM now and all I'm saying is, we're stretched to the breaking point in this household already. I've taken a big hit in pay, I don't have $400 or $500 or $800 or whatever to fork over to a private insurance company each month. You can't get blood out of a stone.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, Pam... Here you come in being all articulate. lol
  
  Well, I do not think it is as bad as all that. Things will get better. And are getting better...just slowly. The speech was aimed to clear up some misconceptions and unite. To that end, I feel it was a success.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes, pam!
  as usual, your thoughts are those of the critical process. it does little good to expand on your words. well said.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
BD...what was that? Did I miss it?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's on the afghan thread. i'll pm.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm curious...couldn't figure it out
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Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years ago
PGrundy states (4) "This country is NOT full of wonderful people who do the right thing when called upon. There is a fairly huge asshole contingent in the U.S. and it's growing. Lots of people care about themselves, period, and not just that, they're proud of it. Mean and stupid and proud."

Very accurate statement. Touche'.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I personally know quite a few good writers who are staying away from Hub Pages until the U.S. quits going insane.
  
  That might take awhile.
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  Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I understand what you mean there. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I know, it's juvenile. But...lol

http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
well

i think the President should act like a president and ignore his detractors. obviously they must have some power or why would he bother? having a throwdown during a speech to Congress about a completely different topic just seemed kind of odd to me...

i also thought the time for getting mileage from Teddy Kennedy should be past now...i mean all that's left are fumes at this point.
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nwindposted 15 years ago
I'm from Canada and boy oh boy you Americans are in for "change" that's for sure.

If this health care goes through your economy may bring ours which is fine right now, down with your economy.

We kicked our liberal socialists out of office 2 years ago.
Thank God. Sorry I mentioned Him.lol

Listen I love Americans.I have to, you protect us , but I still can't believe this wonderful speaking ,saying nothing, smooth community organizer is your President.
This guy has the ability to look you in the eye and shoot you.
Pretty cold dude for sure.

He has you folks believing that the government is the answer.
Show me where and when any government has been able to run anything without f---- it up.

Look north Americans.Find out the truth about government run health care.
Right now they have almost succeeded in killing my sister in law. She has 2 months left because she waits and waits at one of the best hospitals in the world in Toronto to get treated for her cancer.Just to finish her off financially they now have her paying HER MONEY at the tune of $3000 monthly for drugs that will kill her more slowly. Did you get that? Everything cannot be covered.It is simple not affordable.
They killed my aunt 10 years ago. She went to the U.S. after it was too late. They went broke trying to save her too.My uncle went back to work after retiring at 47 and set financially.
He was 65 and is now 74 and still working.It's sad.

You know George Bush was not the sharpest knife in the drawer but you knew where he stood. I liked his directness.

This Obama is simply a liar and and way too arrogant.
Last but not least he is a complete marxist without a doubt.Left of Castro who is one of his heroes it seems.

This guy is only about one thing and that is control of as much of your life as he can get away with.Marxism to a tee.

When will he stop blaming George Bush for your country's ills?

He scares me and I'm from Canada.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He has a minority believing Government is the answer.
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  hglickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NWIND - get ready for the kool-aid drinkers to get on your case
  Unfortunately Obama is not our major problem
  The deaf/dumb and blind media has prevented many people from hearing the truth.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you call your $1 coins? You're the first Canadian I've heard say anything that looney. I thought all the wing nuts were on this side of the border. Obama is a moderate democrat and a strong supporter of our democratic, free enterprise system. He is trying his best to save it from self-destructing as a result of the unfettered greed of the Wall Street banksters, the for profit health insurance and drug companies and so forth. And he believes the government should be concerned for the needs of the people it is supposed to be representing.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLololololLOLOLOLOLlolololol!!!!!!!!!!!
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  hglickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not Canadian
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Something smells a little rotten here...
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's the exhaust fumes from an old red tractor.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or the fertilizer
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
I guess they finished polishing their six shooters and helpin' them pigs over the fence, and now they're here to share that good ole' boy wizdum.

Goody.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
An old red tractor you say?
BD, did you really say RED tractor?
I wonder if our RED STATE friends are aware that RED is actually the color of COMMUNISM???!!!

I am beginning to suspect that those who protest too much here on our forums mmay actually be MARXIST SPIES sent to see who is really patriotic and who is just pretending to be.
LOL
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh great, now he's gonna paint his tractor blue.
  
  hopefully he'll finish his unfinished poem first.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Good ole boy wizdum is right.
Did anyone else find it odd that the Republicans chose someone from ALABAMA to deliver their rebuttal last night? Are they flipping serious?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A Heart surgeon from Louisiana
  
  And if you clowns believe I am manly poetry man you are very confused, hope that works out for you, Duck you may want to tweak your IP tracker
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow, nobody mentioned "manlypoetryman" but i think i'll go have a look...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  poetry/red tractor doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
  MM
  If he has performed one its more than you or I have performed, you don't think he's qualified?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  <edit>
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Duck, I was born at St Davids in Austin, live in Round Rock! Had a girlfriend from Spring once, but have never lived in Houston, you do what you think you need to but claiming something that isn't true just makes you more of a liar!
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i think ryan left a comment for you over on the dying marine thread...
  
  manly.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are an odd duck...Duck
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who also got taken in a scam to buy himself a lordship
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I have no idea what you are talking about, and if he got scammed all I can say is Bernie Maddofs victims were scammed. Were they all idiots?
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Sorry. My bad. Louisiana. Alabama. Mississippi. Arkansas.
Southern states.
How many heart surgeries do you suppose that guy performs a year?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All the same to you?
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
You missed part of the point...he tried to buy himself a lordship...

And supposedly there were 3 malpractice suits against him.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
1. ATexan, I have never held myself out as a heart surgeon -- or a rocket scientist. My point is that the Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue. Obstructing healthcare reform is not going to be tolerated. Obama is reaching across the aisles and asking for constructive ideas to shape the legislation.

I would have thought that "you" could find a more credible spokesperson for "your" side is all.

2. Uh oh. The "l" word is now on the table. There's only one place for this line of argument to go from here. And you all know what it is:

Liar, liar, PANTS ON FIRE!!

Which will inevitably lead back to a discussion of balls -- who has them, who doesn't, and who owns whose
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  my dogs don't have any...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You may find this hard to believe but nobody consulted me about who would give the rebuttal. The L wird is directed at Duck because he is under the mistaken impression that I am someone else, I suggested he tweak his IP tracker, what else can I do.
  
  If Obama had been right about any of his economic predictions then maybe I would give this public option a chance, but he has been wrong time and again. I can't get behind this!
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
A Texan,
There's a difference between lying -- which implies malicious intent -- and being mistaken. If Blue Dog is incorrect in believing you and Manlypoetryman are the same person, then it's an honest mistake.
I could see perhaps chiding him for insufficient research or jumping to false conclusions.
But calling him a "liar"???
That term does not fit the circumstances.

As to Obama's public option. As long as you can keep your current coverage and it will not be impacted, where is the harm in making a public option available? There are many, many people in this country who are unable to get coverage through the private health insurance companies.
If these people are able to be covered by a public option then the risk is spread wider (with fewer uninsured receiving services but the cost shifting to the insured). Net result? Everyone's costs go down.
Why can't you get behind something that has no downside?
Unless you are the president of an insurance company unbenownst to us (and please do NOT call me a "liar" if that is not true!)
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you read any of this about Manlypoetryman? He is under the wrong impression but he certainly thinks he can cause some damage to me by his false claims, that would imply malicious intent, but whatever he chooses to do.
  
  No I am not the president of an Insurance company, this is about numbers, if an employer is paying into an insurance plan at say 9% of his profits and the penalty is only 8% then why carry the insurance? The employee will just go to a public option, thats the problem. It puts Insurance Companies at risk of failure if a tax subsidized plan is there.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  clarification, mighty mom, i never used the name manlypoetryman in any forum discussions today. that name was first offered up by tex (with a little t).
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure was, kinda figured your idiocy out! Get a couple people throwing clues out and type in Poetry or red wagon and Voila its a done deal, plus I think he is one of my fans!
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as i just posted elsewhere, take your white flag and shove it. your ongoing hostilities toward ryan and several others here are meager attempts at hiding your own cowardice. your special skills and special talents are false bravado. your racist views can only be concealed through the use of fake and false identities. you are nothing but a little person. i repeat: a natural born loser. quite manly of you.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one is waving a white flag I will continue to call you a liar because you are one, continue to threaten with outing me as someone else I don't care. Ain't going anywhere, don't you get that?
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bgpappaposted 15 years ago
Thank You Roobee.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
It's clear that the Civil War never really ended. It ran out of steam. Now it's gathering steam again. It's sickening.

The rest of the world looks at the U.S. and just winces.

I find it revealing though that some of the most hateful people at Hub Pages hide behind avatars and fake names.
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  kartika damonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love this - it seems that we have time traveled back to the Civil War - also, the very people who hate the liberals and the progressives and buy in to the right wing propaganda, are the same people that are in desperate need of health care - both physically and mentally.
  
  civil
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Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years ago

Is it just me, or it is getting hot in here?
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
May I suggest:

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Argument … amp;sr=8-1
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jiberishposted 15 years ago
I cannot comment on Obama's speech last nite, cuz today I have a migraine, and what ever came out of my mouth would be worse than it should be...all I will say is Groundhog Day.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey jiberish have you heard I have a red tractor?
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GoldiStringposted 15 years ago
There is a hint of capitalism and communism in this proposed healthcare system. Ergo,if adopted, USA will have a socialistic healthcare system, which defies the true and humane principle of providing total healthcare to the people. But no matter what we say, it will be done.
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