There is much debate about the health care reform proposed by the President. I would like to know, from those who oppose it, what would be a good alternative? I really want to know...
If you ask me - good ole times when patient paid the doctor, and there were enough doctors. If you ask people who lived like 50-60 years ago, may be even younger, they do remember those times. And yes, poor people got their healthcare, either free of charge, or paid by rich people.
not gonna argue over this. You asked, i honestly answered.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I love the sheep
Seeing as he grew up under socialized healthcare, I'm more apt to believe him rather than you.
I agree with yeah misha...but do yeah think the doctor would accept my cow as payment today as in yester years...lol
This is still practiced in many small towns around our state. You might not get a cow, but you might get a freezer full of beef
Lol only in America, the land of the free !
Hutterites still practice it...I think bartering is cool!
It's not that efficient. If bartering is so great, why did the use of money spread from ancient Lydia in the first place?
I agree -- I wrote about how my parents did it 50- 60 years ago.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Do-it-Yourself- … -Insurance
I don't know if that strategy would work today.
Medical costs have skyrocketed since then, partly because doctors have to charge more to make up for the uninsured people they treat and partly because of the huge investments in all of the diagnostic technology that is now available.
When I was a kid (I was born 50 years ago), doctors actually made house calls. My Dad worked for the federal government, so paying for it wasn't an issue. But it was completely different back then. Everyone had insurance.
Does that mean I agree with Obama's plan? Hell no. Maybe we should have had a healthcare Czar many years ago to make sure that insurance rates didn't skyrocket like they did and that malpractice suits for gazillions of dollars weren't awarded for frivolous stuff.
No "everyone" didn't have insurance. My dad was self- employed, health insurance was just beginning to grow and it was quite expensive compared to earnings back then.
That's because there were fewer people and more doctors back then. When you have a population of 100 million and 500,000 doctors, doctors do housecalls. When you have a population of 300 million and 600,000 doctors you make doctor's visits.
I don't want to argue either. Thanks for answering. But is this ever going to happen?
I'm not sure I like that rich person/poor person distinction. Most people are not rich, so in a free market doctors couldn't afford to charge what an ordinary person could not pay. If they did, people would seek out a different doctor.
One of the problems we're dealing with is government licensing of physicians. This creates a monopoly. The other, more obvious problem is government mandated insurance.
Well, poor/rich was mentioned because of current concern that poor people don't get a healthcare, so from that perspective they are not average people, they are really poor.
Good Points Aya
this is the first time I've visited forums
Ah, but oncologists never made housecalls did they?
Or open heart surgeons?
The sophistication of medicine as practiced today is, quite frankly, expensive. Somebody's gotta pay for all the equipment in the OR. And nurses are paid quite well, too.
That said, it would be lovely to have more GPs (the old fashioned term that has been replaced by PCP) who have one-on-one relationships with their patients. Of course students would need to be incented rather than disincented to become doctors. These days the money's in highly specialized work.
One thing that seems to be missing in the debates (and this is a great topic, BCC) is discussion of alternative medicine and moving patient care to physicians assistants for more routine appointments. How do people feel about that?
That's why I'm working on becoming a PA. It's a reaction of the market to the shortage of GP's. If you leave things along a way will be found to meet the demand people have for healthcare.
Your first examples are things I could consider candidates for real insurance, insurance should not be used to pay for doctor's visits. Even so, new medical technology are in some cases better than traditional oncology treatments or bypass surgery, etc. A free market would put pressure on lowering costs. You can't keep someone as a patient, after all, if you let them die.
Not sure if this 'advice' is going to be helpful or not. Generally speaking, the only way people can detect sarcasm in these forums is by the liberal use of smilies .
However, overuse of smilies will get you attacked for using too many smilies.
Been there. Felt that!
Let's take a deep breath. Something MUST be wrong. One of us must be hallucinating, on drugs, or otherwise deranged (momentarily, anyway).
We are, seemingly, in agreement on an issue in the politics forum.
Can this really be happening?
BTW, like your new avatar. MM
We may disagree, but we're both educated people. We're sure to have some ideas in common. I just don't put any trust in government or it's agents. I've read too much history for that.
Thanks, I had that taken in my old hometown last year. I'd like to be able to move back someday.
The rolleyes is not one of the options under "formatting tips" but I notice that some hubbers have access to really nifty animated emoticons. Not sure where they get them.
Who would dare attack Supergirl?
I will give you three guesses and the first two don't count.
And no, he is NOT in this discussion at the moment.
That's interesting, LDT.
You come from the land of white cars (at least from the background in that shot).
But personally, I agree with Thomas Wolfe.
You Can't Go Home Again.
Meg -- The sarcasm would only be obvious to people who know what Hutterites are (invisible smilie goes here to punctuate sarcasm).
I figured Hutterites were like Amish or Mennonites maybe Shakers, but have to admit I don't know for sure either.
Youre right. They are like the Amish. However, I believe they have less severe rules. For example, the girls are not supposed to wear makeup, but are known to come into stores and offer meat or dairy as payment for makeup. They are shy, but nice.
I had a good friend from high school who went to college in Lancaster PA, neighborhood of the Amish. She said the culture clash when they came into town was interesting.
There deff is something to be said for the simple life (and I do NOT mean the TV show with Nicole Ritchie and Paris Hilton!)
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