This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: "https://hubpages.com/privacy-policy#gdpr"

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
jump to last post 1-5 of 5 discussions (10 posts)

What will victory in the Middle East look like?

  1. rhamson profile image77
    rhamsonposted 8 years ago

    With ths slow withdrawel of troops slated for Iraq and the escalation of troops being called for in Afganistan how will the US define a victory in the Middle East?

    1. livelonger profile image94
      livelongerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If you define victory as stable, Western-friendly governments, forget it. Wait a few generations (at least).

      My definition would be a withdrawal from the region--not likely to happen in my lifetime but hope springs eternal.

      1. rhamson profile image77
        rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with you that withdrawal from the region would end it in part but how does the government justify the cost (life and monetary) after we have left?  Most people would consider it a defeat.

    2. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      there will be no outright victor; just loss, some regret that goes away, and both sides lying saying they were just.

      Just like Viet-Nam, Korea, Desert Storm- all of it in vein.

      Small men- Majors, Kernels, and one-star Generals, all retiring as  Major Generals from their holy little wars. While the poorer folks burying their enlisted dead.

      and the Rest (walking wounded) are dumped on the VA hospital system,that can not take care of them. All honerd with a few token parades, now and then.

      Then as time goes by the War stories in the bars will get bigger, as well as the waist lines.

      Typical America; farting, belching and lying, while we dump down 4400 calorie meals, and boast of Gods country. Then vote in the same Old thives  back in, over and over again. Nothing learned, nothing kept but memories that blur. No victors, just spoils.

      Its a dam shame.

    3. darkside profile image80
      darksideposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It will probably look like mushroom clouds.

  2. livelonger profile image94
    livelongerposted 8 years ago

    Very good point. For those who think withdrawal would be defeat, the onus should be on them to determine what the costs are to stay and win victory (they should define that too) and why those costs are worth it rather than spending equal amounts on domestic programs like infrastructural investments.

  3. profile image0
    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years ago

    I don't think 'victory' is really an appropiate objective. Stopping or forcing countries from supporting or harboring terrorist organizations is the best we can hope for. This area of the world suffers from a serious case of 'we haven't made it out of the middle ages' mentality. That, I believe, leads to an inability to be able to reason logically.

    1. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Don't you think that our very presence in the Middle East stirs the whole pot of hatred and animosity?  What part did we play in creating this conflict? I think we had better rethink our objectives.  Is this merely a war to secure the oil and support big oil? Is it a moral obligation to secure the region for Israel to exist? Or is it right for us to continue under such transparent objectives?

  4. Will Apse profile image91
    Will Apseposted 8 years ago

    Texaco and BP own ALL the oil.

  5. rhamson profile image77
    rhamsonposted 8 years ago

    Dutchman

    There is hope as long as we live and speak. How can we turn this around.  The feelings of apathy are a dangerous place to live and as long as you have feelings about something you have hope.

 
working