Why don't you care about the IRS scandal?
No one seems to write or voice concern over the IRS scandal? This is gustapo thugish behaviour and should scare the hell out of all people in both parties? I admit had Bush done this to liberals I would be laughing, but liberals should know now when Pubs get back in office they are fair game anyway if this isn't stopped and someone imprisoned! America isn't communist yet! This goes to the White House! Insiders from IRS claim!
PQ - The answer is really quite simple. I would bet that even today, over 50% of our citizens know absolutely nothing about this. A recent man-in-the-street interview proved that 14 out of 15 knew nothing about the IRS, Benghazi, or the AP scandals.
Nor could they name the Vice President of this country.
It truly is apathy and ignorance on the part of our citizens that is destroying this country. Why watch the news when they can watch educational TV shows like Honey Boo Boo?
honey boo boo? hahaha, that is one sick show! I watched it once just to see what the hoopla is all about.........disgusting show. But your right poolman, that is the truth!
Very true, but a portion of the other 50 percent are not doing anything but speculating and guessing which is just as bad. Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. --- George Bernard Shaw
What I am doing is waiting for evidence and a full review. I prefer not to judge things without all the facts.
Jumping to assumptions contrary to popular Republican view is not actually a virtue its stupidity.
The Republican view? Sort of like when Dan Rather put phony national guard documents on television while Terry McAuliffe the head of the DNC called him a deserter with no evidence. I haven't heard any Republican official say Obama ordered this yet.
libs are quick to judge if the news comes from the lying left media, let FOX who jumps on these stories the fastest come up with eye witnesses and as usual.....................you wait for facts! over 100 visits to white house?????? something fishy!
Its clearly not plausible the Prez just found out about it through the media when everyone else in the oval office seemed to know. But that isn't proof he directed or ordered it. Nothing will happen even if he did. He'll never be held accountable.
Most people are not paying attention, or are just oblivious. At the moment you cannot trace the orders back to the White House directly. But it has been traced back to the Washington. Although we know they have already lied about part of the story. First the President had heard about this through the media when it broke and nobody in the WH knew anything about it. Then we find that the Chief of staff and several others in the oval office knew about this well before the election, but somehow never told the President. Obviously that is not plausible. There is no way he would not be told about this at least after the fact. Then we are told it was a few rogue agents in Cincinnati. That turned out to be false. Whenever politicians start throwing out explanations at random, it usually means they know more than they are letting on and want to see what story will stick.
But at the moment, all you can say is the WH failed to inform the American people about what they knew and lied about when they found out about it. That does not mean it was ordered by the President directly. Although I would not put that passed him and his Saul Alinsky like approach at all. But it is possible that it was a Watergate like event. Unfortunately, whomever ordered it has set the bar pretty low. A new low. And now that the IRS has been used as a powerful political weapon. So, while I don't agree with the methods, I am sure the next Republican administration will now consider this fair game. All the more reason to simplify the tax code to a flat tax and greatly defang this whole organization.
I care. A whole lot.
Nothing I can do (that I know of) except wait and see if the people with the power to do something about it...actually do something about it.
As of right now, most people in the News are protecting the President. When they should be investigating him too, or....barring that, impeaching him anyway! Because it's laughable to think that he doesn't know anything about so many things! This isn't the first scandal that he "doesn't know" anything about. So, either way, he's unfit. 'Cause he's either ignorant, or he's in the know about everything but refuses to take any responsibility for it. A President should know something! And honestly it looks like he DOES know about everything but is being protected. Scapegoats abound. They have ever since Rod Blagojevich took all the blame for his fiasco crime. And probably even before that.
I don't understand why anyone would respect him either way. He's just a man. And one who has shown himself to be anti-Constitution, anti-Christian, anti-conservative, anti-capitalism, anti-citizens rights, much more stuff. Yet he's been, and being, treated like he's the best thing since sliced bread. It boggles the mind.
So....I'm waiting to see if any kind of justice will ever be done during this Administration's run. Any kind of justice, anywhere at all.
For me, it isn't that I don't care, it's that if I made a list of things I care about more, the IRS 'scandal,' even if it is one, wouldn't end up on the list until probably well past a thousand other things. This is minor news (relatively speaking), not front page stuff as some on the right are trying to make it out to be. Do something important and quit whining, is my advice.
Not sure were you get that no one is writing or voicing concern about it. Haven't heard anything from right-wing news except about the so-called scandals for months now. The way they cling to it just seems desperate to me. Like a dude on a beach still clinging to a life preserver. There is governance which could be getting done.
Exactly this. It's like they try to hard to blow things out of proportion to keep people riled up. Where was the screaming from the right when Bush/Cheney started 2 unjust and illegal wars? ...crickets then, but Benghazi - oh the hypocrisy!
Yeah, if DC can use the IRS to suppress and eliminate political opposition, that shouldn't rank very high on the concern list. After all, trying to silence the public and/or the media isn't any threat to liberty. Like watching a 3rd world dictator.
Christin S - absolutely. A few hundred thousand dead bodies vs. a little bit of extra paperwork. No contest.
Landmark - the public and the media have stupified themselves, which allows for crap Washington. That's the real problem.
It's a bit more than extra paperwork, publishing the address of donors, resumes of relatives who are unaffiliated, names of children without parental permission. Blacklisting innocent citizens and asking taxpayers about their affiliation with them.
Funny thing but I didn't know Bush/Cheney started those wars? I thought the entire world including the British had something to say about it? How many countries went in? How many intellegent agencies confirmed the WMDS??? Old story Christin S
Actually both parties went along with it right or wrong. It may have been handled poorly, but lib's never point the finger at the dictatorships that enslaved people to begin with as a source of the problem. But I would argue it's not our problem.
You said it so Well Junkseller. For me I have gone deaf to the ranting of the right because it has been going on since the Day this president took office. I am more concerned with the effects of the real weather instead of the wind driven right.
FOX News weather - cloudy with a chance of stupid...
Yeah, real stupid to be concerned about this stuff. Oh wait that was ABC reporting it not FOX....Pigs must be flying. http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news … pplication
LandmarkWealth it is not stupid to be concerned, but it is to make judgments before we know ALL the facts and it is just as stupid to constantly react instead of waiting for the point to see what actions are warranted.
Nobody blamed one person for ordering this yet. But we know for a FACT that the IRS and the WH have been completely uncooperative with the investigation and lied about what they knew. So much for the most transparent Gov't in history.
Now we know they spent $50 MILLION over 3 years for lavish conventions with $15000 dollar line dancing classes.........and today they tell congress they lost the reciepts.............still dont care about your money???
Gov't wasting billions on nonsense happens in both parties. I am not condoning it. Just a fact. The targeting of individuals and groups is the problem here.And the level of lawlessness across every agency of Gov't the last few years is out of control
Didn't say it was stupid to be concerned. Making it the only topic of every day, however, is. And in terms of lawlessness it still pales in comparison to other crimes of our government (e.g ignoring GW, murdering 100k+ people...)
Murder.Please..You're a regular expert on the rules of military conduct. The US didn't have a policy of murder. People do get killed that shouldn't in warfare. That's unfortunate. That does mean they were murdered. Otherwise Dresden was murder
It is interesting you brought up Dresden because many Europeans call it an act of Murder. But I think Junkseller brings up a point and many people are thinking the same way... Where was the same outrage during the last administration?
You can call it whatever you want. It is still far more important than the IRS 'scandal,' the IRS 'scandal' is still a back-page news story, and there is still VERY important governance which could be happening but isn't (and yes Dresden was murder).
Dresden and many other campaigns saved more lives than they cost and ended the War. The outrage about what, an attempt to combat terrorist regimes like the Taliban. And silencing democracy is not back page, which is what this is an attempt at.
Fire bombing civilians or flying a plane into a building full of them is .the same sort of action... no matter what the reason. But if you have forgotten how many scandals rocked the last administration the web can refresh your memory really fast!
Civilians are always a sad casualty of War. But they were not the intended target, that's the difference. The Atomic Bomb prevented the loss of about 500k potent US troops lost in a Jap invasion. And Nixon wasn't as bad as this Chicago style crew.
I totally do care about this IRS scandal. The Almighty agency has had a serious setback, IMHO.
Which speaks well for those who might be facing an IRS audit of any sort. Ha! Clean up your own house, IRS, before you look into the dirt of another!
I care, but since there's not much to be done about it while the hearings are ongoing (except watch and wait), I decided to "settle" for writing about it in political humor format. Keeps my oar in the water, so to speak, so I don't forget what it was that concerned me....
Not that I would (forget). That's a joke, or at least a weak, wishy washy attempt at one.
I don't care because Americans get what they get when somebody is in office. People have as many double standards when it comes to politics as they do with how they treat others in their everyday lives. Everybody wants more freedom for themselves and less for their enemies, not due process for everybody. Nobody wants to deal with what it really takes to clean things up.
paradigm, Somebody is ready to deal with it, and that somebody is the conservative movement of this country! You don't care now but when the ATF kicks in your door in the middle of the night and drags you and your family out in the streets u might!
You said that with a lot of relish. It's actually you that's scaring me a little. Just kidding, you don't scare me.
I don't believe in political answers for political problems.
I care! And Becky Gerritson of the Wetumpka Tea Party who spoke at the Ways and Means Committee hearings yesterday, speaks not only for me, but for millions of Americans... "... what the government did to our group was a wilful act of intimidation to discourage a point of view... agents acting in a government culture that has little respect for its citizens." You are so right, Ms. Gerritson, the America we grew up in IS slipping away, and that should terrify all of us.
Part of the problem is that people on both sides have a tendency to exaggerate everything when it comes to politics. So you get a bit of a "cry wolf" syndrome, and if an actual scandal takes place, then many people just assume that this is politics as usual. And the way your question is worded is just a common example of this type of hysteria.
So the IRS was giving extra scutiny to political action groups posing as charitable organizations. They weren't stopping anyone from forming organizations or from saying what he or she pleased. And you are saying that I should be scared because we are on the road to communism? Get a grip.
The scandal in this whole episode is the facade of campaign finance laws. If you want to create a political action group, you could just become a SuperPac. You could then go out and get unlimited donations from whoever the hell you want, which is bad enough. Of course, if you do not want to disclose donors or worry about paying any taxes, claim that you are a social welfare organization. What a joke.
Groups have a right to free speech. They don't have a right to tax exempt status. And the main reason Tea Party groups were "targeted" was because they were so obvious about being political action groups in disguise.
It was quite a bit more than extra scrutiny. Naming individual citizens. And they were stopping groups from being formed in some cases years http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news … pplication
Were they stopping them from being formed, or stopping them from being formed as 501c4 organizations?
Yes, many of them are still waiting for approval for years, and in some cases have lost grants and donations. The whole purpose of this was to hold them in limbo in perpetuity. It's an attempt to suppress political opposition.
You didn't really answer my question. Waiting for approval for what? You don't need to be a 501c4 to politically organize. In fact, a 501c4 is not supposed to be a political organization.
Approval to become a 501c4. They were held in a perpetual state of waiting. And they were not engaged in promoting any candidates. The were promoting social policy which is the definition of the role of a 501c4
didn't realize they were disquised?? I thought they were very outspoken concerning their actions? How about the IRS spending over 100 million in bonuses and frivolous vacations?......with your money! all the while wanting more!
They were outspoken, but you don't seem to get the fact that they were applying for 501c4 status, which means that they were supposed to be social welfare organizations, not political action groups. The IRS wasting money is a separate issue.
There activities were well within the norm of a 501c4's activities in terms of educating people about social policy. And not any different than the literally thousands of liberal ideological groups that received approval with no such scrutiny.
I get the feeling that these groups you describe as liberal were often focused on more than "educating people about social policy." We all know, after all, how those damn liberals like to help poor people and stuff.
No they like to create wasteful programs that haven't changed the poverty level in decades, but make them feel good. Read the official definition of 501c4. "May influence legislation" & "May also participate in political campaigns and election
"Promoting social welfare" is supposed to be the primary function. My point was that a group focused on "reducing poverty" sounds like a charity. One focused on "reducing government spending" sounds like a PAC. (Although they might both be PACs.)
They are both PAC's...And reducing gov't increases charity as gov't crowds out charity and other private sector resources. There was no reason for them to be singled out other than suppressing political opponents.
Since I'm finding it difficult to say much in just 250 characters, I will post this link to a hub that I wrote and leave it at that: http://freewayflyer.hubpages.com/hub/Th … RS-Scandal
I will respond to your comment in your hub because your bring up some valid points.
The IRS must be disbanded. Considering their reckless spending of tax payer money, along with swindling and lying to particular groups within the U.S. I believe this corrupt MAFIA should see no more funding by the American populace!
We are taxed enough, and in very tough times. These big government entities are nothing more than criminals and corrupt to a T!
Freeway Flyer said it all.... I also agree. I would even go a step further and cancel the tax exempt status for most groups except those who do good without an agenda.
Could it possibly be that it wasn't a scandal?
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