How do we know the climate is changing?

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   tirelesstravelerposted 10 years ago

   How do we know the climate is changing?
   
   If the earth is millions of years old what evidence do we have to substantiate man made climate change is indeed man made instead of part of an extended climate cycle?

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   M. T. Dremerposted 10 years ago

   The data collected on climate change is compared to geological records in the Earth's past. While the Earth goes through significant changes, there are too many smoking guns in the hands of humans. Consumption and pollution can be measured and their effects match up with the changes to the climate we see today. We can ignore that data, and suggest this change is normal, but the end result is the same; dead is dead.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Friend have a little mercy on M.T.

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      lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      And when the data doesn't match up, the UN's IPCC and CRU change the data, rewrite the scientists' statements and hold their names hostage when they resign in protest. Scaremongering can make you poor by $Trillion$

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   tbHistorianposted 10 years ago

   While millions of individuals within the species have come and gone, science has yet to determine just what destroyed early humans when they perished.  Some scientists wish to describe a theory through comparison of differentiating parts while explaining the analysis as precise.  Precepts used this way are always easy to describe because they represent subjective rather than objective analyses.  My guess is that the Creator has employed several atmospheric phenomena during recent decades to provide the exuberant scientists with regulate behavior and thought.  Much like the storm chasers who track tornadoes, the climate change enthusiast continues to drive wildly toward their own decisions based on opinion rather than full truthful knowledge.  Every generation of radical theorists declare a delirious climatic atmosphere where none exists. 
   When expressing "How do we know the climate is changing?" one must remember, that in order to know the truth, one must determine where that truth lies - not what lies can be told to preempt the truth.  While everyone recognizes Einstein as a great scientist, he never personally felt that he ever captured enough truth to fulfill perfection in substantiation.
   “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Einstein
   “It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.” - Einstein
   “Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.” - Einstein
   “Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.” - Einstein
   “I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.” - Einstein
   “I don't pretend to understand the universe — it's much bigger than I am.” - Einstein

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      tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Splendid comment.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I love Einstein.

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   LandmarkWealthposted 10 years ago

   There is little debate whether or not the climate is changing.  There is however debate as to how much if any significant influence humans have had on climate change, and whether this is in anyway abnormal.  Contrary to popular opinion...this is far from "settled science"  Many scientific bodies take stances that imply that this there is a universal belief in humans being the main driver of change, or even a significant driver at that.  As one example...the officially stated position of the American Meteorological Society is that humans are clearly the main driver of this phenomenon.  Yet a recent survey of more than 7,000 of their own members found that nearly 1 out of 3 scientist associated with the AMS felt that humans were either not the cause or the data was still inconclusive.  You would never know that from their stated position and various political speeches.
   
   http://www.ametsoc.org/boardpges/cwce/d … ndings.pdf
   
   There have also been recent press release about a 97% consensus on the topic of climate change in published papers. When in fact only about 3% of those papers stated an explicit agreement with the IPCC.  And there was no wide spread agreement across these papers citing the catastrophic concerns articulated by the IPCC.   A group of scientist out of Canada published a report just a few weeks ago addressing just how unusually broad the term consensus is being used in relation to this topic.  The group was organized by a Harvard Astrophysicist, a Professor of Geology,and a professor of Climatology. There findings were listed below.
   
   http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/ … vsmaid=398
   
   Even more interesting is to listen to what climatologist like Dr. John Christy who has been a lead author for the IPCC has to say about how much of the work has been taken out of context.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ
   
   What I find most interesting is that whenever a credible scientist challenges a mainstream view on climate change, they are vilified as a heretic rather than listen to the evidence they present.  When in fact it is the job of scientist to be skeptical.   Let us not forget it was only 40 years ago that the NOAA suggested we cover the polar ice caps in black soot to attract heat and melt them to prevent the coming catastrophic consequences of Global Cooling.  So when the name calling begins...you have to question the motivation.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Nicely presented.  Unfortunately common sense is seldom used when thinking about man made climate change.  Got to hand it to Al Gore he has really made a bundle.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Gore is clearly a fraud.  But I don't discount that humans might be the cause or at least a partial cause.  I am simply saying let's not let politicians tell us it is settled when that is not a definitive consensus.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I stand corrected, you are indeed correct.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Time will tell.  I think sometimes a lot of people just want to belong to a cause.  For a laugh...have you ever seen Penn and Teller get people to ban water. This is quite hysterical...
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

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      lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Bravo! That's one of my favorite YT vids. The UN's actions seem right in line with their Agenda 21 to enslave humanity -- no national sovereignty, no personal rights or freedoms... But forgive those psychopaths. They don't know what they're doing.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It was actually a film aired on ABC a few years ago. It is controversial to many and I don't concede any specific conspiracies.  I am simply pointing out there is significant credible scientific decent.  Decent should be a welcome debate. Not Heresy

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   cjhunsingerposted 10 years ago

   I would point out that the earth is a little older then millions of years; more like 4.5 billion years. The climate has been changing for all of this time and will continue to change until the earth is absorbed into our sun, as it evolves into a red giant. This will occur in about 4 to 5 billion years. Do not worry though; just prior to this the Milky Way will collide with Andromeda. We wont be here however, as our sun is even now heating up. It is arguable that humanity has about one billion years before the planet become uninhabitable, due to this heating. Fortunately for us the planet starting heating up about 35,000 years ago. I say fortunately because that ended the last great ice age.
   I have not read all the posts here so I don't know if this info has been shown, but this may be of interest. Global Warming Petition Project
   www.petitionproject.org/‎
   The threat of global warming/climate change originates from those who would rule as dictators. Fear/war/catastrophe--tools of fools.

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      lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Global warming is good. The scaremongers only want your money and control over your life. I used to be an Al Gore fan, but then did more research. It's a scam. The ones warning us are the dictators.

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   lone77starposted 10 years ago

   As others have pointed out, here, climate change is not in dispute. The source of change is the question. Humans definitely have an effect, but is that effect one millionth of a percent or somewhat more?
   
   We know that climate changes, because of history. Five hundred years ago, ice skating on the Thames. A thousand years ago, vineyards in Northern England! Things like that show climate changing over time.
   
   LandmarkWealth gave a link to an excellent video that shows some evidence that climate change is not following human activity. But we have to be cautious. The United Nations has already been caught numerous time falsifying data, rewriting scientists' statements and even holding their names hostage to keep alive the illusion of a scientific consensus. Is the data in this film correct? Some is a little shaky, but we might be able to put that down to bias, creative license or some such. Regardless, the video is worth a watch if you care about climate and the scaremongering that has governments talking about spending $Trillion$ to fight this putative problem.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ
   
   For a while, the psychopaths behind the scare were calling it Global Warming. When global climate leveled off (no warming) for more than a decade, they had to change their tactics to protect the scare's momentum. Now it's man-made climate change instead of warming.
   
   What happened to the CO2 driving warming? Oops! We were wrong (lying), but we won't admit to that fact. We want your money.
   
   The fact is, Global Warming is a GOOD thing. Warming means more stable climate (fewer cyclones, hurricanes, tornadoes and the like). Warming means more evaporation, more rain, more life! We've been in an Ice Age for the past 3 million years. Currently, we're enjoying only an interglacial "warm" period between extended glacials. End the Ice Age. Humanity and life would be far happier. Fewer deserts, less dust, more lush forests.
   
   Some people don't believe in "conspiracies." They act as though humanity has never, ever experienced any. But that's delusion. Not believing in Hitler didn't make him go away. Same with Obama, Bush, etc.
   
   Here's another video, about one of the psychopathic families behind this scam and many others:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat9xSos_7g
   
   If you watch the vid, you can see that the current scam has a pedigree. And, if we can believe the late Aaron Russo, the Rockefellers knew about 9/11 at least a year in advance.

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   tirelesstravelerposted 10 years ago

   Interesting read on the subject.  I have been hearing the ice caps were thawing, but the didn't jive with what people I know in Alaska reporting. 
   
   I am working at a camp in Alaska this summer.  Because of the late thaw last year they moved out the camp a full month. When you can only deliver supplies by boat, frozen rivers aren't helpful.
   
   http://www.kokomotribune.com/opinion/x1 … al-warming

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