jump to last post 1-4 of 4 discussions (32 posts)

To all conservatives out there, what are the 10 ways that President Obama is des

  1. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

    To all conservatives out there, what are the 10 ways that President Obama is destroying this country

    besides instituting Obamacare?

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/8866817_f260.jpg

  2. tsadjatko profile image65
    tsadjatkoposted 3 years ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/8866856_f260.jpg

    I'll do 242 better - here are 252 ways President Obama Has Systematically Destroyed America!

    http://ftmdaily.com/global-issues/big-b … d-america/

    "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott.

    1. tehgyb profile image85
      tehgybposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I was going to write a long drawn out answer, but after seeing that link, I can't do any better myself. For those looking for an answer to this question, look at that link.

  3. dashingscorpio profile image87
    dashingscorpioposted 3 years ago

    In all honesty it appears there are a lot of people who have short-time memory lapses. When he took office in 2009 we were bogged down in two wars we'd been fighting for a decade, the housing industry was in the tank with foreclosures at record highs, unemployment was at near 10%, companies that had been around for 100 years were folding, GM stock was trading around $2.50 per share and the list goes on. The stock market is now hovering around all time highs, unemployment is 6.6%, most of the troops are returning home from both wars, no new wars, and Osama Bin Laden is dead.
    Anyone who actually believes the nation is worse off today than it was at the end of the Bush years is kidding to themselves! The statistics simply do not support that belief.
    However most conservatives are (blinded by their personal dislike of this president) so much so that even when he does what Republicans have advocated or done in the past it's frowned upon because it is (him).
    Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times, used Executive orders 381 times compared to this president's 172 times. And yet there was no major outcry. Historically minimum wage increases and unemployment extensions sailed through congress with bi-partisan support but not today! Compromise is seen as weakness/betrayal
    Even the "dreaded" Obamacare which is actually modeled after "RomneyCare" is being touted as "national healthcare" when it in fact it only makes healthcare available to those who are uninsured or don't get it through their employer. When you ask people if they're in favor of not being denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition, or if they approve of being able to add their adult children to their insurance... the vast majority of people are in favor of those changes.
    When I look over the history of presidents I just can't see how this president is really any worse than the last president. Having said that the Republican party has been ripped in half by the "Tea Party". There is no such thing as being a "moderate Republican" anymore. Instead of coming up with alternative solutions the goal is to attack those who are offering ideas. Unless this changes we may as well get ready for president Hilary Clinton.
    This president has only 2 years left in office. He is not going to "destroy" the nation. We are far more resilient than that!

    1. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      First off the question is aimed at conservatives of which you obviously are not one, secondly you simply spout left wing propaganda and there fore are incapable of even answering this question because Obama zombies are blind to the truth.

    2. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If you don't remember the disaster of George Bush you are indeed a zombie. It's all propaganda until it affects your life, until your company shuts down or needs a bail out. Iraq was propaganda too? Weapons of mass destruction. Never happened right?

    3. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      tsadjatko. I'm actually a moderate Republican! I just don't buy the fact that party loyalty is above all else. I voted for Ronald Reagan. None of the stats I mentioned are of the "Zombie variety". Clearly (you) don't remember the start of 2009!

    4. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for confirming all I said about u- a moderate Republican is as far from conservative as a liberal democrat, who u voted for 30+ years ago has noting to do with conservatism or who you are now. You are clearly using left wing talking points

    5. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Moderate Republican?  You're part of the problem, Scorpio.  RINOs seem to belive that the best way to fix our country is work the same agenda as the Democrats.  You're part of the reason why the conservative movement arose and why it's necessary.

    6. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      BernietheMovieGuy, Moderates aren't blindly loyal. They're thinkers! They look for the best solution regardless of party. Extremists will never succeed on a national level. Reagan would be considered moderate compared to the Tea Party!

    7. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Therein lies the problem with RINO philosophy.  Conservative thought is purely common sense and logic rolled into a sound fiscal plan designed to reset the ship of state on a path toward ressurection of a great nation.  RINOs simply accept failure.

    8. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Truth is Bernie there is no such thing as a moderate republican.It's a trick liberals use to make themselves acceptable to conservative thinkers. One is either conservative or liberal, there is no in between & DS's liberal talking points prove it

  4. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
    BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years ago

    Hey, Scorpio,

    Your opening paragraph reads:

    "In all honesty it appears there are a lot of people who have short-time memory lapses. When he took office in 2009 we were bogged down in two wars we'd been fighting for a decade, the housing industry was in the tank with foreclosures at record highs, unemployment was at near 10%, companies that had been around for 100 years were folding, GM stock was trading around $2.50 per share and the list goes on. The stock market is now hovering around all time highs, unemployment is 6.6%, most of the troops are returning home from both wars, no new wars, and Osama Bin Laden is dead."

    I'd like to just address a few of the points you made here.  First of all, the wars you indicated may indeed be over, but I would ask if they are truly done.  After all, the Muslim community has rebounded from other wars that have been just as destructive to them and they managed to bring down the World Trade Center.  You can blame the mortgage meltdown on the Democrats.  After all, they were the ones who told banks that they couldn't discriminate against insolvent borrowers and had to provide mortgages to people who, quite frankly, couldn't afford a home.  The companies that were folding were all union shops where the workers refused to negotiate with management.  GM cars actually sucked and no one was buying them (thanks again to the unions).  Today, the stock market is a roller coaster, the unemployment or underemployment number is actually closer to 30% when you factor in the number of people working just part time jobs or those who have stopped looking for work altogether and who are no longer receiving benefits.  And the SEALS got Bin Laden, not that dork in the white house.

    You really think we're better off?  Man I'd love to borrow your rose colored glasses just to see the world you're living in.

    Oh, and just to make one additional point.  Reagan may have officiated over rises in the debt ceiling, but he never would have tolerated a debt of over $17 trillion.  And his unemployment statistics were largely the result of failed policies by the previous Carter administration.  In just one month (October 1983, I believe) Reagan's administration saw a private sector job growth of over a million jobs.  That's more collective jobs created in one month than Obama's seen in all five years of his presidency. 

    And to those who mourn the shrinking economy and the losses of jobs to overseas competition, just remember Clinton and NAFTA.

    1. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Speaking of rose tints, can you name the solutions that George Bush came up with during his eight years in office? Uhnha....thats what I thought.

    2. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We are over five years into Obama's administration, lamenting over Bush is totally irrelevant - Obama continued most all of the Bush policies. The worst criticism of Bush is that he IS the blame for us getting shafted with the Obama administration.

    3. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That's all you have, though.  Whenever anyone says anything bad about Obambi, you go after Bush.  Or better yet, you play the race card.  You people need better arguments if you want to make the current POtuS look better than the last one.

    4. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      BernietheMovieGuy, I'm not one of these rah rah guys for either party! It's tradition in our country to give credit or blame to the person who is office. Today I see "fans" of both parties refusing to acknowledge (anything) good about the other.

    5. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Again nothing you say has anything to do with the question you are supposed to be answering - a tactic right out of the liberal playbook - change the subject or raise a straw man or answer a question that was never asked.

    6. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      tsadjatko, Let me spell it out for you so you'll understand. I don't believe ANY president (Democrat/Republican) has or is destroying America! My answers illustrate there is no proof America is worse off than it was in 2009 when Obama took office.

    7. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Bush is the last representation of a republican president. So unless you pick a smarter candidate, we can't talk about anyone else. You want Romney? He was more confused than Bush! The man with no solutions is worse than the man with some good ones.

    8. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Like who didn't get your point? You continue to make the subject anything other than the question like the 252 reasons I supplied as an answer. Just another playbook tactic, belittle your opponent. You are so transparent.

    9. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm saying no president is perfect. Is Obama making some bad decisions? Absolutely. Is he destroying the country? I don't think so. It is better now than before he took office.

    10. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If you actually read the 252 ways President Obama Has Systematically Destroyed America you'd see how irrelevant Bush is and how we aren't "better off" than before BO took office - name one Bush policy BO hasn't continued that makes us better off.

    11. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You want to look at Bush. lol. Obama had to clean up his mess since he took office, and still cleaning. Now people want to blame him for the problems Bush ignored. Bush had Homeland Secruity. He never cared about the economy. Thats why the Dems won.

    12. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Sri T, if Bush "never cared about the economy" and Obama, by your obvious implication, does, then why are we $17 TRILLION in debt?

    13. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      It may have something to do with Bush's "war on terror". That's where his attention was, not on the economy. You can't have both. Let's face it, the war was a waste of lives and money.

    14. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Personally, I like the idea of keeping our foreign enemies off balance so they can't fly planes into our tallest buildings.  But I digress.  We were only $4 Trillion in debt when he left office even with the wars going on.

    15. tsadjatko profile image65
      tsadjatkoposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Sri T why didn't you answer my question?you can't name 1 bush policy that caused the financial crisis of 2008(directly attributable to liberal policies not Bush)http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/0 … -just.html

    16. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We can point fingers all day but nothing changes without "good" solutions. You must admit whenever Republicans become president lately, (ex) Bush(father and son) dark clouds cover America until they leave.  Dems clean up, then Reps destroy it again.

    17. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      30% un- or under employed, $17 Trillion in debt and people losing their healthcare.  Yet for the last five years, I see no Republican in the White House.  Care to elaborate on those dark clouds?  Sounds to me like you're pouring water into a sieve.

    18. Sri T profile image81
      Sri Tposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You can't go by propaganda numbers. Propaganda is designed to manipulate and brainwash the public. You can only judge when the term is complete. We ran Bush #1 off after one term. Clinton cleaned up with a surplus then Bush #2 came. Dark clouds again

    19. BernietheMovieGuy profile image76
      BernietheMovieGuyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, the propaganda number is the one the administration keeps touting, which is 6% unemployment.  Closing your eyes to reality doesn't make it go away even if the White House DOES choose to ignore it and the media chooses to puppet report it.

 
working