Why do atheists deny that North Korea is an atheist state?
With all the criticism of the failures of modern Christian and religious states it is clear that many online atheist hubbers conveniently forget about North Korea, China and Russia: all atheist states who have terrible records of human rights.
I am finding that many (not all) online atheists have selective memories about the serious recent historical failures of atheism.
Oztinato
North Korea is not an Atheistic State. no more that ISIS is an Atheistic State or The Holy Roman Empire, or any other State that, past or present, will persecute people for believing in or not believing in a god. The first, closest government to Atheism is the US . Freedom of Religion is also a mandate prohibiting a State religion.
For the Muslim, you are an atheist. You might want to consider that.
As an Atheist, for me, there is no difference between an Islamic State, North Korea or one founded upon the idea that, and there have been many, Protestantism, the Catholic Church or the religious bigotry of the Pilgrims. Whether one deifies some supernatural belief or attributes omnipotence to himself or the State, deifying same, it is all a form of theism and has nothing to do with Atheism.
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."
This is copied from Wikipedea. Now, whether Man deifies and defines a belief as supernatural or as Man, as in the case of a totalitarian State, it is all the same. For the Atheist, Man invented the gods, consequently, Man re-invents himself, as a god. Not Atheism. Gods are in the image and likeness of Man.
Another convoluted denial!!
If you read just a little more of that wiki article you will see it go onto the obvious way atheism has now become a powerful political philosophy with hundreds of internationally linked organizations.
Ozt
Please specify what you think is convoluted?
It is convoluted because you have to bend reason and commonsense to try and make it fit. Square peg in round hole etc.
Atheism has now become a fully blown philosophy whose adherents try to change laws.
North Korea is an atheist state.
The human rights issues in North Korea revolve around the fact that we are still at war with them, they have been embargoed by us and the people there are starving and fed propaganda while its economy is completely devoted to its military. China has never really had much in the way of religion as we know it and it has a 2,500 year history of autocratic rule. Russia was once an extremely Christian empire and it was so horrible in human rights that this led to a revolution of all of its traditional institutions. It became atheist and things got worse and then they got back to the way they were under the Czar.
Would you like to hear of some other human-rights violators? Syria, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel--these are all monotheistic nations and they are far worse than any of the three countries you just mentioned. Here's another, Serbia--a Christian nation. Liberia, another Christian nation. The United States is a terrible human rights violator.
I don't think anyone is denying anything. There's just no proof that atheism leads to a country's failure. What causes a government to succeed or fail is its policies, not its belief or non-belief in a deity. One could argue that it influences their decisions, but it's negated by all the people who do good things in the name of theism and atheism.
Plus, the 'atheism' in North Korea isn't the same kind of atheism as your average science geek. They use it to establish their leaders as supreme, kind of like the Christian god when he stated there were no gods before him. In order to establish dominance, you have to tear down the competition. And, in that regard, the worship of their leader is an awful lot like theism except their deity is alive and ruling the country.
Correlating atheism with the failings of North Korea is a gross misrepresentation of what is actually going on over there. The violation of human rights is on their heads, not their perceived beliefs.
That also sounds very similar to another denial about the failure of atheism as a political philosophy.
It could also be taken as a verification regarding the idea that atheism is another kind of religion (which atheists usually deny).
Atheism doesn't exist as a political philosophy, few countries will elect atheistic politicians. And, as I said, what's happening in North Korea isn't atheism, it's a dictatorship that denounces gods for power not reason or logic.
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