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   qwarkposted 14 years ago

   What do you consider to be too "invasive" in searchs prior to boarding commercial aircraft? Why?

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      Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't consider it too "invasive". I consider it absolutely useless though, aside from showing off to taxpayers that the state cares about their security.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Mish:
         There is always a way to beat the system...no doubt

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   Lack of due process.

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   If the process is filmed with the person stripping in view,that would be rude or getting physically manhandled. I'd probably faint

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Dame:
      What about a system like x ray that could peer thru your clothes and see anything you might be carrying?

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         IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         They are currently trialling that at an airport in the UK. I think its a good idea, so long as the x-rays remain in a private area.

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Izzy:
            I'm not sure it would be x-ray...but a system like that would be wonderful

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               IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               It's Manchester airport read here if you are interested.
               http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New … y_Machine_

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                  qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Izzy:
                  REad it....interesting?
                  It or something like it will eventually be used in every major airport on the planet.

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            EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            X-ray searches don't work as well as you might think:
            
            http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100105/w … 9195152900
            
            "One of the main criticisms of the scanners, which have already been installed at 19 airports in the U.S., is that they cannot detect low-density materials such as powders, liquids, thin pieces of plastic or anything that resembles skin. Nor can they detect any explosives concealed internally."
            
            The sad fact is that it's never possible to guarantee 100% safety against terrorism.  And the more intrusive you make the checks, the longer the check in times and the more people will be put off from travelling by air.
            
            I'm with Madame X/Benjamin Franklin on this issue.

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               qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Empress:
               given time, we will figure out how to use whatever is necessary to detect anything before boarding a commercial flight. No doubt about it.

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                  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Terrorists, like criminals generally, will always find loopholes. 
                  
                  I wonder, from reading your posts, just how much incursion into your civil liberties you would actually put up with, if push came to shove. 
                  
                  I've a hunch that if the incursions affected you personally (i.e. they stopped you from earning a living or doing the things you enjoyed on a day-to-day basis) you wouldn't be quite such a cheerleader for the police state.

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                     qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Empress:
                     Police state?
                     If it meant that I had a police state or death....I'll adapt quickly to the police state.
                     I am a survivalist who understands the eternity of death.
                     If Islam became the power, I will buy a carpet and pray 5 times a day until the next change in authority...:-)
                     You may refer to me as the "chamelion."

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                        EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Sooner you than me mate {{{{shudder}}}}
                        
                        OK, here are some questions:
                        
                        Would you be prepared to pay lip service to the most blatant lies, because doing so was the only way to stay in your job and hence earn enough money to feed yourself?
                        
                        Would you be prepared to turn a blind eye when certain of your neighbours, colleagues and even friends "disappeared" overnight, never to be seen again?
                        
                        Would you be prepared to inform on your closest friends/family members if asked to by the State?
                        
                        
                        That's what living in a police state entails.  Good luck.  Enjoy.

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                           qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Empress:
                           I think I have answered that.
                           if I choose to exist in a police state and that is required of me..of course I would.
                           If I had an option, and there usually are options, to live in other than the police state, I would move. But, if a world gov't becomes a police "state," you bet. The "Chamelion" would do what is necessary to survive.

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                              creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              you live in texas

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                                 qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Creep: yep

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                                    creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    are you from texas

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               IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Is that the same type of scanner that they have at Manchester Airport? I'm only asking because the pictures in this link look different to the pictures on the Sky.com link, it looks like a lower density image.

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                  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I dunno - sorry!

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         Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Just like on that movie, *True Lies* I think it's a great idea I wouldn't want to board a plane with a possible terrorist loaded with a bomb Canada is installing those across the nation too.

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            DAme:
            that's the movie I was trying to think of....yes!  that kind of search would be fantastic!

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   Lack of jurisdiction.

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   I don't think anything is too invasive if you've nothing to hide. I have heard of drug traffickers getting stripped and searched internally, but they don't do that without good info that the person is carrying something extreme like heroin.
   As for searching passengers for potential terrorist activity; well I don't like it, I hated that they took the cellophane wrapped unopened cartons of tomato frito off me that I was taking home as a gift for my mother (it was liquid and liquids are banned from hand-luggage), but I'd rather that than someone bringing a liquid bomb aboard the plane.
   Passenger safety is paramount.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Izzy:
      ..couldnt agree more! thanks!

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   "He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
   
   -Ben Franklin

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Madame X:
      if you die trying to be safe...loosing your freedom doesnt matter.

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         creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "Give me liberty or give me death"
         
         Its an American thing you may not understand

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Creepy: Liberty means nothing to the dead..I'm a survivalist..I'll give up a certain amount of my liberty to continue to exist.

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               creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I wont

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                  qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Creepy ...your decision..NP :-)

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                  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Me either if you want to take my life you can have it.  I would never roll over to anyone or anything.
                  
                  Death before Dishonour

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            Jeromeoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Self preservation is the first law of nature, that's a human thing you should understand.

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         Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I guess that depends on what kind of life you want.

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Madame X:
            I want to enjoy this short life using my "intelligence" to survive.
            I am not the kind of American patriot that will willingly die for my country.
            Life is good! I want to live for as long as my genes are programmed to allow me to.:-)

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      Jeromeoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ben Franklin, didn't have Al Qaeda, and modern day terrorist to worry about.  But you're entitled to your opinion and the rest of us don't mind if you [drive] where you want to go.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Ty Jeremeo...applause

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   K Partinposted 14 years ago

   This is why I'm driving to Arizona!

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      K...lol good reason!

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         K Partinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Ha! I'd rather take the scenic route know what I mean??

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            "K" ...gotcha!

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      Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   Just curious if that would hurt people with pace makers

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      DAme:
      I'm sure that potential problem could be cured..

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   "An unexamined life is not worth living."
   
   -Socrates (through Plato's records)

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Madame x
      Personal Life is precious regardless if it is unexamined.

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    breakfastpopposted 14 years ago

    I would feel a whole lot safer if the caliber of screener was on par with the ones employed by El Al. I have to admit, i am becoming reluctant to fly and may soon just give it up completely.

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    marcel285posted 14 years ago

    i reakon they don't search hard enough!! my partner and i left NZ, to Aus to live, we both had warrents for arrest against our names. lol They are not too bright..we didn't do anything that vad though, just for traffic offences and not paying our fines

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       IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And Spain is full of criminal expats from the UK. And guess what? They flew here!

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    marcel285posted 14 years ago

    Oh yeah i told the governemnt people all about my plans to move to Aus, they tried to scare me saying 'pay or stay'. And said that they were going to do eveyrthing to try stop me..But the warrent for arrest is apparently 'a civil matter', which means it's got nothing to do with the cops, therefore, whos going to arrest me? The NZ goverment r so dumb.

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