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airport searches

  1. qwark profile image56
    qwarkposted 8 years ago

    What do you consider to be too "invasive" in searchs prior to boarding commercial aircraft? Why?

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't consider it too "invasive". I consider it absolutely useless though, aside from showing off to taxpayers that the state cares about their security. smile

      1. qwark profile image56
        qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Mish:
        There is always a way to beat the system...no doubt

  2. profile image0
    Madame Xposted 8 years ago

    Lack of due process.

  3. Dame Scribe profile image61
    Dame Scribeposted 8 years ago

    If the process is filmed with the person stripping in view,that would be rude or getting physically manhandled. I'd probably faint tongue

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Dame:
      What about a system like x ray that could peer thru your clothes and see anything you might be carrying?

      1. IzzyM profile image90
        IzzyMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        They are currently trialling that at an airport in the UK. I think its a good idea, so long as the x-rays remain in a private area.

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Izzy:
          I'm not sure it would be x-ray...but a system like that would be wonderful

          1. IzzyM profile image90
            IzzyMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It's Manchester airport read here if you are interested.
            http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New … y_Machine_

            1. qwark profile image56
              qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Izzy:
              REad it....interesting?
              It or something like it will eventually be used in every major airport on the planet.

        2. EmpressFelicity profile image73
          EmpressFelicityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          X-ray searches don't work as well as you might think:

          http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100105/w … 9195152900

          "One of the main criticisms of the scanners, which have already been installed at 19 airports in the U.S., is that they cannot detect low-density materials such as powders, liquids, thin pieces of plastic or anything that resembles skin. Nor can they detect any explosives concealed internally."

          The sad fact is that it's never possible to guarantee 100% safety against terrorism.  And the more intrusive you make the checks, the longer the check in times and the more people will be put off from travelling by air.

          I'm with Madame X/Benjamin Franklin on this issue.

          1. qwark profile image56
            qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Empress:
            given time, we will figure out how to use whatever is necessary to detect anything before boarding a commercial flight. No doubt about it.

            1. EmpressFelicity profile image73
              EmpressFelicityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Terrorists, like criminals generally, will always find loopholes. 

              I wonder, from reading your posts, just how much incursion into your civil liberties you would actually put up with, if push came to shove. 

              I've a hunch that if the incursions affected you personally (i.e. they stopped you from earning a living or doing the things you enjoyed on a day-to-day basis) you wouldn't be quite such a cheerleader for the police state.

              1. qwark profile image56
                qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Empress:
                Police state?
                If it meant that I had a police state or death....I'll adapt quickly to the police state.
                I am a survivalist who understands the eternity of death.
                If Islam became the power, I will buy a carpet and pray 5 times a day until the next change in authority...:-)
                You may refer to me as the "chamelion."

                1. EmpressFelicity profile image73
                  EmpressFelicityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Sooner you than me mate {{{{shudder}}}}

                  OK, here are some questions:

                  Would you be prepared to pay lip service to the most blatant lies, because doing so was the only way to stay in your job and hence earn enough money to feed yourself?

                  Would you be prepared to turn a blind eye when certain of your neighbours, colleagues and even friends "disappeared" overnight, never to be seen again?

                  Would you be prepared to inform on your closest friends/family members if asked to by the State?


                  That's what living in a police state entails.  Good luck.  Enjoy.

                  1. qwark profile image56
                    qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Empress:
                    I think I have answered that.
                    if I choose to exist in a police state and that is required of me..of course I would.
                    If I had an option, and there usually are options, to live in other than the police state, I would move. But, if a world gov't becomes a police "state," you bet. The "Chamelion" would do what is necessary to survive.

          2. IzzyM profile image90
            IzzyMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Is that the same type of scanner that they have at Manchester Airport? I'm only asking because the pictures in this link look different to the pictures on the Sky.com link, it looks like a lower density image.

            1. EmpressFelicity profile image73
              EmpressFelicityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I dunno - sorry!

      2. Dame Scribe profile image61
        Dame Scribeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Just like on that movie, *True Lies* lol I think it's a great idea smile I wouldn't want to board a plane with a possible terrorist loaded with a bomb hmm Canada is installing those across the nation too.

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          DAme:
          that's the movie I was trying to think of....yes!  that kind of search would be fantastic!

  4. profile image0
    Madame Xposted 8 years ago

    Lack of jurisdiction.

  5. IzzyM profile image90
    IzzyMposted 8 years ago

    I don't think anything is too invasive if you've nothing to hide. I have heard of drug traffickers getting stripped and searched internally, but they don't do that without good info that the person is carrying something extreme like heroin.
    As for searching passengers for potential terrorist activity; well I don't like it, I hated that they took the cellophane wrapped unopened cartons of tomato frito off me that I was taking home as a gift for my mother (it was liquid and liquids are banned from hand-luggage), but I'd rather that than someone bringing a liquid bomb aboard the plane.
    Passenger safety is paramount.

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Izzy:
      ..couldnt agree more! thanks!

  6. profile image0
    Madame Xposted 8 years ago

    "He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."

    -Ben Franklin

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Madame X:
      if you die trying to be safe...loosing your freedom doesnt matter.

      1. creepy profile image51
        creepyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        "Give me liberty or give me death"

        Its an American thing you may not understand

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Creepy: Liberty means nothing to the dead..I'm a survivalist..I'll give up a certain amount of my liberty to continue to exist.

          1. creepy profile image51
            creepyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I wont

            1. qwark profile image56
              qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Creepy ...your decision..NP :-)

            2. Arthur Fontes profile image80
              Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Me either if you want to take my life you can have it.  I would never roll over to anyone or anything.

              Death before Dishonour

        2. Jeromeo profile image60
          Jeromeoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Self preservation is the first law of nature, that's a human thing you should understand.

      2. profile image0
        Madame Xposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I guess that depends on what kind of life you want.

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Madame X:
          I want to enjoy this short life using my "intelligence" to survive.
          I am not the kind of American patriot that will willingly die for my country.
          Life is good! I want to live for as long as my genes are programmed to allow me to.:-)

    2. Jeromeo profile image60
      Jeromeoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ben Franklin, didn't have Al Qaeda, and modern day terrorist to worry about.  But you're entitled to your opinion and the rest of us don't mind if you [drive] where you want to go.

      1. qwark profile image56
        qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Ty Jeremeo...applause

  7. K Partin profile image58
    K Partinposted 8 years ago

    This is why I'm driving to Arizona! yikes

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      K...lol good reason!

      1. K Partin profile image58
        K Partinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Ha! I'd rather take the scenic route know what I mean?? smile

        1. qwark profile image56
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "K" ...gotcha!

    2. profile image0
      Madame Xposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      smile

  8. Dame Scribe profile image61
    Dame Scribeposted 8 years ago

    Just curious if that would hurt people with pace makers hmm

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      DAme:
      I'm sure that potential problem could be cured..

  9. profile image0
    Madame Xposted 8 years ago

    "An unexamined life is not worth living."

    -Socrates (through Plato's records)

    1. qwark profile image56
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Madame x
      Personal Life is precious regardless if it is unexamined.

  10. breakfastpop profile image89
    breakfastpopposted 8 years ago

    I would feel a whole lot safer if the caliber of screener was on par with the ones employed by El Al. I have to admit, i am becoming reluctant to fly and may soon just give it up completely.

  11. marcel285 profile image66
    marcel285posted 8 years ago

    i reakon they don't search hard enough!! my partner and i left NZ, to Aus to live, we both had warrents for arrest against our names. lol They are not too bright..we didn't do anything that vad though, just for traffic offences and not paying our fines

    1. IzzyM profile image90
      IzzyMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And Spain is full of criminal expats from the UK. And guess what? They flew here!

  12. marcel285 profile image66
    marcel285posted 8 years ago

    Oh yeah i told the governemnt people all about my plans to move to Aus, they tried to scare me saying 'pay or stay'. And said that they were going to do eveyrthing to try stop me..But the warrent for arrest is apparently 'a civil matter', which means it's got nothing to do with the cops, therefore, whos going to arrest me? The NZ goverment r so dumb.

 
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