Why is Social Security not a Ponzi scheme? Or is it?

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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   Why is Social Security not a Ponzi scheme? Or is it?
   
   A  Ponzi scheme is a fraud. Nobody is being misled by SS & is the morally the polar opposite of a Ponzi scheme.  Certain  people make bogus claims that SS is a Ponzi scheme.  The reason that SS isn't a Ponzi scheme is that it isn't a lie. It keeps accurate books, attested to by a board of trustees and an actuary. The issue keeps getting raised — usually by people who object to the whole idea and say "Ponzi scheme" to inflame emotions.
   
   

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years ago

   ptosis
   
   You have asserted an opinion without foundation.
   I wrote an article on SS Medicare and Obamacare that has a lot of info on your question.
   
   First
   A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game)[1] is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors, rather than from legitimate business activities or profit of financial trading.
   
   Brad says----
   The government requires new workers paying FICA. They did this in the 80s by adding government workers, Congress and other members of the public sector. These workers didn't need SS or Medicare they had FERS and FEHS. The SS and Medicare is just a fringe benefit.
   
   The point is that the SS and Medicare Trust funds have been inadequate to pay benefits of an aging workforce. Medicare has been infected with numerous and continual major fraud.
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   Operators of Ponzi schemes can be either individuals or corporations, and grab the attention of new investors by offering short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.
   
   Brad says--
   In the case of government they just make it a mandatory law, and before it is really a tax, they have SCOTUS backing because TAXation is found directly in the constitution.
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   Companies that engage in Ponzi schemes focus all of their energy into attracting new clients to make investments. Ponzi schemes rely on a constant flow of new investments to continue to provide returns to older investors. When this flow runs out, the scheme falls apart.
   
   Brad says--
   This need for new workers is the reason that FICA is a Ponzi scheme.
   Without the new workers the Trust Funds go dry.
   That is why the government has modified the SS and Medicare.
   SS by raising the retirement age to slow down the drain on the fund.
   Medicare by using the donut hole, and requiring medicare users to pay for health insurance. They even take it right out of their SS benefits.
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   Brad says --- how fair is SS compared to what the people give to the public sector employees and congress.
   
   SS and Medicare require mandatory payment into FICA as long and forever that you are a wage earner.
   Workers entering the workforce today most likely will die or wait more than 50 yrs to get benefits. This is the ponzi part.
   SS benefits are added to your AGI on Income TAX if you have additional income besides SS.
   There is no vesting of SS retirement benefits, and no def of benefits.

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      ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You are lying. Ss is not a complete fraud and it won't be 'Pay as you go" until 2038 - and that's because the funds were raided. Mebbe that why the Dems want DACA - for future over the table workers to pay in, and not working under-the-table.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      ptosis
      
      Always have to make it personal rather show some facts. You ignored all my points that make it a bad system and a ponzi scheme. Do the math.

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      ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I gave you facts DW, What does 2038 mean to you? Didja think it was a Swedish rock band?

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      ptosis
      
      It might as well be a band, because it has no other significance.
      How does that help people getting into the workforce today and having to wait 50 years for retirement. If u look at the FICA history they keep raising the TAX.

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