Dreamers reject Trump’s immigration plan...

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   The dreamers are calling this a white racist plan...
   Do they have a say in this?
   Why is it racist when we are trying to protect our borders?
   Why not invite all to come in.
   Would you open your homes to strangers?
   These kids, who are not kids by the way, are delutional.
   They are allowed to stay here because of our good will and compassion.
   They have no legal rights.
   What do they want? Blanket amnesty?

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Here is the story...
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … nsom-note/

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   Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

   I think his plan is fair, reasonable and compassionate....from what I've read of its contents. It gives these people a fair path to citizenship while attempting to address the issues which created this problem.
   
   I don't trust Breitbart, but wouldn't be surprised if true. Trump could walk on water and would be accused of killing puppies by doing so. Some are so hatefully averse to giving the guy a chance that no idea he has will be viewed favorably. And many illegals can't seem to comprehend the fact that the only rights they have are the ones we are willing to allow them. But, they are little different than their citizen neighbors. Full of demands with no thought for the consequences.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't really get the 10-12 years to get citizenship - why so long?  If they can pass the test, why not immediate?  And why any longer than just a few years - time to allow us to provide the tests to them?
      
      Secondly, I think that any comprehensive plan simply MUST include a reduction in the incentive to come here.  We have to make working here as an illegal as difficult as possible, and if that means jailing some employers for intentionally hiring them, fine.

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         Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Fair enough. But, 10-12 years is better than never. Compromise must be made. Maybe that was something meant to appease one of the sides in the debate.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Don't misunderstand.  I don't agree with that thinking...but perhaps because I'm ignorant of the reasoning.  I'd like to see some justification, some reason for requiring that kind of time line. 
            
            To me, it just leaves a second class "citizen" hanging around for a decade, but there has to be more to it than that.  That doesn't seem smart at all, at not to my limited way of thinking.

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               jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               It takes 5 years for a legal immigrant with green card to get citizenship.
               That is why they have to make the dreamers wait a little longer. Otherwise, the legals would feel they are cheated...

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I understand that, but we're not talking green cards here (at least I've seen nothing about issuing a standard green card).  But even if true, why 5-7 more years?  5 years might be reasonable (though I still can't see why) but not 10-12.
                  
                  It sounds like he's playing politics with people's lives, which I disagree with.  To require second class citizenship for that kind of time merely to appease political pressure isn't reasonable.  IMO.

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                     jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You can debate about the number of years but the basic principle is sound. If someone broke the law and came here whether by choice or by their parents, why should they be treated equally as someone who applied through the normal process, waited years to get here to get their green card and then waited another 5 years to become citizen? If you allow dreamers to get it faster, you are rewarding bad behavior. I can’t make it any clearer.

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        If that is the reason, I can accept it.  Not agree, for it's like saying that if you are forced at gunpoint to drive the getaway car at a bank robbery you can be convicted of bank robbery.  Or if you're raped you participated in a rape and are therefore to blame for that rape.  Doesn't work for me as I don't find it "sound" that children forcibly carried into the US are guilty of anything at all.

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                           jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           I hear you. They were put in a bad spot. That is why we need to get the immigration reform done right once and for all...so a few years down the road, we are not faced with more of rhe same...

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              100% agree.  And I think Trump does, too - he's causing some real pain to legislators that want to put this thing off yet again.  I don't think they're going to be able to - that we will see some real reform this time.
                              
                              Whether it will be anything like what we need remains to be seen.

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   Credence2posted 6 years ago

   Intelligent lines or reasoning and discussions from conservatives? I am pleasantly surprised. Combined that with the unexpected Presidential tone of Trump's recent speech makes me believe that there may still be hope.
   
   Both of you, Wilderness and Jack, are asking th Right questions. I am not conservative generally, but on this issue, I am more so.
   
   I might be willing to give Trump and his proposal regarding this a break, this time.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Congratulations, credence. You might find we have more in common than you think...

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Be careful, there Cred: they say time heals all and those gaping wounds of TDS are slowly closing and healing.

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