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   gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago

   
   Everything is politics.  Everything is socioeconomics.  Politics & socioeconomics are primary factors in this world. The world is run by politics & socioeconomics.  People who know these things & act accordingly will be the successful ones who will thrive.  Those who don't acknowledge these things will fall under.

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      lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You mean those who step on others to reach the top.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You are probably correct...for those who put socioeconomic gains at the top of their priority list.  For those to whom money and things are secondary (or less), well, they aren't going to "fall under" because their success lies in different areas.
      
      Yes, there really ARE people to whom wealth is not the #1 goal or consideration in their lives.  They are generally the happier people, the more pleasant ones, the more contented ones.

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         gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         You must be on some type of substance.  I haven't heard anything so obtusely illogical in all my life. There isn't a logical person who puts socioeconomics second or less, all successful people put socioeconomics first.  No one wants to live in poverty where they struggle day to day, scraping by from hand to mouth. 
         
         Intelligent people want AT LEAST a solidly middle class life, not a socioeconomically lower class life.  You have your priorities backwards. You would be the first one to be homeless if the cost of living spirals out of control. Did you come from a socioeconomically impoverished background which glorified poverty, struggle, & not wanting to improve yourself.  I am apparently wasting my time talking to you.  You sound like a naïve teen-age girl. Good day!
         

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            Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            LOL. Whenever an ideal is pitted against those whose concerns lie where you have stated they must, your view has lost.
            
            Why? Because, those things you say you value most can be obtained through chasing money. Keeping the eye on that ball may bring outward riches but they don't allow the time for inward growth and reflection. The very thing which brings true happiness.
            
            Think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Can money, in and of of itself, build any block on that other than the foundation;which is necessary to pursue the rest. Does focusing on your goals do anything to secure the rest?  Does focusing on the things you claim are important inhibit the journey? How many miserable individuals with your views seen as the be all, end all, measure of success have we collectively watched? We pity them, on many levels.
            
            I'm afraid your view is held by enough to have caused our society to become jealous, petty, greedy, back stabbing and completely self centered. As long as it remains the only priority,for some, it inhibits that greater journey of inner growth for all.

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               gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Inner growth& reflection are bulls****t when people are starving & struggling, don't be...ILLOGICAL please.  You sound like a dreaming teen-ager!

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                  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I could say you sound like an indoctrinated first year business major. I'm not certain that would do any more to further the dialogue than your comment did.
                  
                  But,it appears you are seeking cheerleaders not dialogue.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  And of course there is no space, no range, between starving to death and forever striving for more money, forverever climbing the socioeconomic ladder for prestige and wealth, forever giving up the only thing you really own - your time on this earth - to get more money that you won't spend anyway.  It's either starve or spend every moment climbing that golden ladder - gotta not only keep up with but outdo the Joneses!
                  
                  Don't be...ILLOGICAL please.  Your own fascination and priority of excessive wealth is not only ill conceived but is NOT the goal of everyone.

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                     k@riposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     For some people, myself included, the goal is to make enough money to get by and to have enough time to spend on what really matters in life.  Not all people who will not chase the ball live in poverty.

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Same here.  I've never been overly concerned about my wealth - health, family and time with those I love are far more important than having a Cadillac, a mansion and a yacht in the lake.
                        
                        Enough to live comfortably and play some during each year and I'm happy.

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   gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago

   @wilderness, If a person wants to be socioeconomically rich, that's his/her business.  I applaud such people.  What is comfortable for one person isn't comfortable for another.  What business is it of YOURS if a person pursues wealth.   That is his/her karma as it is your karma is be satisfied w/ little.  It is each person's business to be socioeconomically what h/she wants to be unless it is dire, abject poverty.   I applaud go-getters, they MAKE history, not people who are "COMFORTABLE".   Remember the parable of the mustard seed, if a person has the POTENTIAL & BRAINS to be wealthy, who are YOU to stop him/her.  Jealous much, do you want others to be mediocre because YOU are...........
   

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      lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      What do you need MORE money for? Americans already use up the majority of the world's resources.

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         gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         If a person wants to make & have more money, it is NONE of your damn business.  You live the way you want, if a person wants to accumulate wealth, that's HIS/HER business.   You sound like a communist to me & communism is over.......If a person wants to be a multimillionaire or more, MORE POWER to him/her.  Jealous much?
         
         
         Smoking the green stuff.....eh?

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            lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You failed to answer my question. It was a simple one. WHAT do you need more money for?
            
            What toys do you need?

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               gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               What's IT to YA...............

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                  lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Greed is vile.

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                     gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     
                     Well with society changing & the basic things becoming more expensive......you will be part of the NEW, PERMANENT UNDERCLASS.  Then you will remember the asinine statement you made.  Guess WHO will be sorry now-not I!
                     
                     EVERYONE wants MORE money.  I know that you are from Virginia but you can't be this retrogressive in mindset.

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                        lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I already use more resources than my fair share compared to the rest of the world. All Americans do.

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                           gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           That is PART of being American.
                           

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                              lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              And that's a good thing?

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                     lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I see you changed your post, so people won't know what I was really responding to. Pathetic.

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                        gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        You & Wilderness have that crab in the barrel mentality- that is SO SAD.  Just because you aren't socioeconomically wealthy( I am not either-just middle class), YOU TWO don't want others to be socioeconomically wealthy.  You want all people to be......SOCIOECONOMICALLY the same-poor & struggling.  What business is IT of yours if people are socioeconomically wealthy or want to be- I APPLAUD & ENCOURAGE such people.  Must be SAD to be a......H-A-T-E-R.    ENVY is toxic you know.......  YOU & WILDERNESS love poverty.........

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                           lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Greed is not a virtue.

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                              gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Yahoo, it ISN'T greedy to have wealth nor to aspire to wealth.  You can't be a yahoo all your life.  You are apparently obtuse.  Good bye, it is futile talking to yahoos, your intelligence doesn't reach the top floor.

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                                 lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes it is.
                                 
                                 Why would someone want more than they need? I understand having a few luxuries, but what could you possibly gain from more than what brings comfort?

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                                    gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    You are now beyond being challenged.  As my late father stated that one can't  argue w/ a person of a low intellectual calibre so I am finished w/this discussion.  Challenged one, IT ISN'T greedy to be wealthy nor aspire to wealth.  Weren't you taught this by parents & school or were you taught that poverty is gooood, gooood.  I know that people in Virginia have a different mindset than those from New York but you are as backwards as they come. Well.........
                                    
                                    HERE'S your SIGN...........
                                    Wanting more isn't greedy, socioeconomic wealth isn't greedy, yahoo. Who in the f*****k are you to determine how much people should have.  If people want to be wealthy, HAVE AT IT!  You are illogical at the HIGHEST level............I have never net a poverty person such as yourself.  I have met poor people & THEY saw nothing wrong w/socioeconomic wealth- in fact, they applaud it!

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                                       Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       LOL. Thank goodness there are different mindsets among us.

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                                       lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       Why are you getting bent out of shape? Have you never had a difference of opinion with someone?

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                                          gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          Yes but none as illogical as what you have presented.   If an answer is beyond illogical in scope, I just IGNORE........ There is such a thing as different opinions; only authoritarian people believe that ALL should have the same opinions but there has to be logic in differences e.g. there is difference of opinion regarding the LBGT community w/some being for & some being against w/valid reasons-that is fine.  However, if a person declares that the acceptance of homosexuality will cause the devaluing of the family- that is beyond illogical.

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                                             lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             How am I illogical? How is it illogical to not want more than makes me comfortable?

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                                                gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                You can't possibly be THIS ILLOGICAL! It isn't only about YOU.  You have to think LONG-TERM.   If you have wealth, you can save for your immediate & far descendants.   Rich people don't spend exorbitantly, not the old rich.  It is the new rich who are more garish.  I digress  When you have wealth, you have savings & investments for rainy days & for your descendants.  If you don't have children, you can save for your extended descendants- nieces, nephews, cousins etc.  You can even make non-related children's lives better.  There is SO MUCH you can do with wealth- build schools, start charities, use your power for....GOOD.
                                                
                                                You can help your ailing relatives i.e. mother, father, aunts, cousins.  If there is a poor relative, you can give him/her a house to live & fix up the house.  You can educated your poorer relatives.  You can pay for their health insurance if they don't have any.  There is SO MUCH MARVELOUS things to do w/wealth- it all ISN'T about.....YOU.  Yes, live GOOD- also help OTHERS & give THEM a BETTER life than they would have had OTHERWISE!  I have to explain what is......SO SIMPLE......Think beyond THE IMMEDIATE & into LONGGGG-TERMMMMMM.....Jeez!  It isn't wealth that is evil, it is POVERTY.  When people are impoverished, they gravitate towards crime & even push their children into crime.  When one is wealthy, altruistic pursuits are more likely.  Impoverished people think primarily of THEIR needs & how they are going to get over.

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                                                   lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   There would be no poverty if everyone shared resources.

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                                                      gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Just when I thought you really can't be this challenged, you take being challenged to STRATOSPHERIC levels.....
                                                      
                                                      There wouldn't be any poverty:
                                                      
                                                      (1) if people thought & acted INTELLIGENTLY.
                                                      (2) if people thought LONG-TERM instead of having the IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION mentality & mindset.
                                                      (3) if they organized, strategized, & worked smart.
                                                      (4) if they have a wealth/abundance mindset instead of a poverty/scarcity mindset.
                                                      (5) if they have children only when they are FINANCIALLY prepared.
                                                      (6) if they want something, they WORK for it, not EXPECT people to share resources w/them.
                                                      
                                                      You have a POVERTY, GIVE ME, OWE ME mentality.  NO ONE owes anyone ANYTHING...........You have the WELFARE mentality!
                                                      
                                                      It is totally FUTILE talking to you because you DON'T learn!!!!!!  Can you say OBTUSE?

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                                                         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         of course, you are correct, gmwilliams. You can't argue logic and common sense!!! Those who are wealthy are not present-oriented. They do not waste time or resources. They find a game plan and pursue it with huge determination. They have faith and take the necessary steps to attain wealth. They are also helped along by inheriting wealth and being guided and taught as to how to keep it and increase it.
                                                         
                                                         Those who don't care about huge amounts are actually content to wing it and survive on a wing and a prayer. They seem to have luck for a period of time, but eventually, their luck will run out if they aren't careful. As Clark Howard said, if you are eating out at a restaurant, it better be one you own!
                                                         Its a matter of developing habits that are conducive for saving, earning, spending wisely and investing carefully. Gambling is a no no. Those who are wealthy count their money to the last penny.
                                                         This lifestyle takes focus, discipline and motivation. Most people like playing too much. Work is hard.
                                                         Another thing the wealthy have is momentum: positive momentum. The Bible advises to earn enough to assist the poor.
                                                         
                                                         … and Yeah, pets and children are really expensive.

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                                                            gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                            YESSSSS  in TOTAL AGREEMENT HERE, Kathryn! It really astounds me why SOME people can't deduce such.   Well, some people are ASTUTE in their analysis while others are simply...........OBTUSE & BEYOND..............
                                                            
                                                            FINALLY, an INTELLIGENT person on board to maturely discuss the subject at hand.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You're absolutely right.  It is none of my business.  But the reverse is also true; if others value other things than you do, it is none of your business.  So what is your reaction to those that don't place the value you do on money?
      
      "You must be on some type of substance." 
      "Intelligent people want AT LEAST a solidly middle class life"
      "I haven't heard anything so obtusely illogical in all my life."
      "There isn't a logical person who puts socioeconomics second or less"
      "You have your priorities backwards. "
      "I am apparently wasting my time talking to you." 
      "You sound like a naïve teen-age girl."
      
      Apparently anyone that doesn't put accumulation of money above anything else in their life is unintelligent and illogical, their priorities are wrong, they aren't worth talking to, are mediocre and sound like a teen-age girl. The only people you applaud are rich ones, never "comfortable" ones. 
      
      You might want to consider putting that idea that it's none of my business where people put their priorities into your own thinking, eh?  That you find it necessary to produce a constant barrage of threads touting the glories of excessive wealth (and fewer children to love), culminating in this one that repeatedly insults anyone with a different viewpoint is appalling and dismaying, to say the least.  Were I a praying man I would pray for you to learn what is really valuable and important; what is really required for a happy, productive life.  Because it ain't gold, and that's a fact!
      
      (I knew a man once that truly understood what is important in this life.  He was rich - the last 1 acre private lot on Long Island, a penthouse in Manhattan and a cattle ranch in California was just part of his wealth.  He earned it as a veterinary in NYC, running his own business and retiring in his 40's.  He lived just a few blocks from me, in a nice but not up-scale neighborhood, drove a 15 year old T-Bird and a small motorhome nearly as old.  He took a job at a nearby amusement park that had a ride through zoo for minimum wage because they wouldn't let him work with the exotic animals for free.  HE understood the value of money, how to get it and when enough is enough and it's time to get off the treadmill and live.  I don't think you do.)

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   It seems odd the OP berates those who disagree and then claims to understand all don't, and shouldn't, seek the same path.
   
   It makes me wonder if the OP understands what she is saying.

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      lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Where did she say that?  "then claims to understand all don't, and shouldn't, seek the same path.".

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